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Waiting for the 2018 MBP

So if "Comet Lake" is 2Q-2019 - does anyone really expect Ice Lake to also ship in 2019? That link shows Ice Lake releasing in "19?" but that wouldn't give Comet Lake much time on the market. That makes me think we're looking at 2Q-2020.

That seems like an awfully long way away. Will Apple and TMSC be on 5nm chips before Intel gets to 10nm? At this pace, might there never be an Apple Mac with intel processors smaller than 14nm? I can see Apple shipping Ax systems with a few cores in each CPU/GPU/TPU and terabytes of storage/memory by then.
 
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The fab-issue is quite complex. Intel has decided to use several new technologies in order to make their 10 nm fab process much better in comparison with the competition. However, they have a hard time making it right. The other manufactures will face the same issues in the following years (I think it has to do something to do with using other material (Co) than Al for junctions and EUV lithography).

EDIT: Al is used, not Cu. I am sorry.
 
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dgdosen said:
So if "Comet Lake" is 2Q-2019 - does anyone really expect Ice Lake to also ship in 2019? That link shows Ice Lake releasing in "19?" but that wouldn't give Comet Lake much time on the market. That makes me think we're looking at 2Q-2020.
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Well, how much time did Kaby Lake have on the market? Intel appear to be releasing something with a new code name every 6 months, just so they have an excuse to change the socket and chipset. I don't know if anyone can expect or not expect anything about Intel's 10nm right now. Or... given their latest 5GHz 28 core scam, can really know what to expect from Intel at all. They seem to be very disconnected from their customers and end users, and don't appear to have any clear strategy.
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The fab-issue is quite complex. Intel has decided to use several new technologies in order to make their 10 nm fab process much better in comparison with the competition. However, they have a hard time making it right. The other manufactures will face the same issues in the following years (I think it has to do something to do with using other material than Cu for junctions and EUV lithography).
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It seems like they took on a bit more than they were able to handle. I don't really blame them for the delays. Such things happen in technology and innovation. Sometimes you hit stumbling blocks, and some are legitimately hard to sort out quickly. But it doesn't seem like they had any solid plan B or plan C. And they're trying to cover up that fact by shuffling the product names around so people will get confused and not notice. Except they do notice. This is where Intel have made several quite poor decisions imo.

Also, what many seem to forget is that Intel 10nm and the others 7nm are roughly equal in terms of density etc. So it's not like Intel are clearly behind yet, it's just that they're not ahead anymore like they used to be. Though if they continue having problems, this might change very quickly.
 
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I've been using my ZBook with Mac OS for over a year now, it works quite well, but yes, choice of laptop is important.

It's your only choice if you want more that 16GB of RAM, or a keyboard that works.
 
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7-12 days in Australia for custom spec. Up from 4-5 days a week ago.
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Yes, I think it's the same in the US. I was going to order today a 2017 top-spec 15", 2 days ago it was 1-3 days, yesterday was already at 3-7 days, and today it just says "On Back-order". So I went to check my backup.. a refurbished model at Apple, also gone.

Is this just people giving up and buying 2017 models or is Apple actually preparing something??
 
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ARM based laptops are a mistake, unless they can somehow maintain the ability to run Windows
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If, in a few years laptops equipped with 5G network adapters act only as a interface/host to run streamed virtualized sessions of windows, mac os or whatever, nobody might care about this anymore.

One of the last business analysis i saw regarding apple inc, included a huge growth in the service sector.only Minor changes on revenues at the hardware divisions.

Get your software as a service access to ADOBE CS on Mac OS or Windows environment
 
If Apple were to release the new MBP with a dramatically redesigned keyboard, then clearly this would be relied upon by those people suing them to argue that there was an inherent design fault in the machine, necessitating a redesign. If they are going to release that kind of MBP then it will take time so the assumption would be a release date later this year.

On the other hand, if they are going to stick to the current keyboard then they are going to annoy a lot more people when their keyboard packs up, or those who were expecting an improvement to the keyboard issue.

I do wonder whether we will see any new MBP this year?
 
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In the UK the BTO models are showing 27-28 June.
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Oh, and with Intel showing their 28 core CPU that means 27-28 core MBP confirmed.
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In Hong Kong it was 3-4 days and now it’s 5-6 days.
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Oh wait.... ok, 5-6 core confirmed then.
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Iliveon10 said:
7-12 days in Australia for custom spec. Up from 4-5 days a week ago.
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Hang on.... wtf... this can't be cores, so it must be RAM. 12G RAM downgrade confirmed. WTF Apple??!!!
[doublepost=1528881500][/doublepost]Sorry for the short burst of sarcasm there. Don't you guys see how ridiculous it is when you're creating patterns out of absolutely nothing? 99% percent of the ideas floated around in this thread are pure fantasies, that aren't even in any way feasible or likely from a tech perspective. Out of the remaining, 99% aren't feasible from a business perspective, or aligned with how Apple usually works. Fluctuations in delivery times means absolutely nothing guys. NOTHING.
 
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Oh, and with Intel showing their 28 core CPU that means 27-28 core MBP confirmed.
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Oh wait.... ok, 5-6 core confirmed then.
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Hang on.... wtf... this can't be cores, so it must be RAM. 12G RAM downgrade confirmed. WTF Apple??!!!
[doublepost=1528881500][/doublepost]Sorry for the short burst of sarcasm there. Don't you guys see how ridiculous it is when you're creating patterns out of absolutely nothing? 99% percent of the ideas floated around in this thread are pure fantasies, that aren't even in any way feasible or likely from a tech perspective. Out of the remaining, 99% aren't feasible from a business perspective, or aligned with how Apple usually works. Fluctuations in delivery times means absolutely nothing guys. NOTHING.
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Wow man... chill. We just getting bored waiting here.
 
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If, in a few years laptops equipped with 5G network adapters act only as a interface/host to run streamed virtualized sessions of windows, mac os or whatever, nobody might care about this anymore.

One of the last business analysis i saw regarding apple inc, included a huge growth in the service sector.only Minor changes on revenues at the hardware divisions.

Get your software as a service access to ADOBE CS on Mac OS or Windows environment
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Laptops running as a dumb client with your data in the cloud is an even worse prospect than not being able to run Windows. Absolute non starter for anyone working with data they don't want to upload.
 
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CodeJoy said:
Fluctuations in delivery times means absolutely nothing guys. NOTHING.
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Ah man I pictured you going up on stage, saying all that so emphatically that you almost spit on the mic, then walking away while everyone is left standing awestruck!

Of course it means nothing. Like I said in my post. But there's nothing else to do is there? All the leakers like Mark Gurmann and Ming Chi Kuo are really quiet about the new MBPs.
 
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