And/Or the have generated enough revenue from sales or increased sales of AC to cover the cost of the repair program
in addition to reducing sales from adverse publicity, possibly 
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And/Or the have generated enough revenue from sales or increased sales of AC to cover the cost of the repair program
in addition to reducing sales from adverse publicity, possibly Well, your experience with Windows is smoother than mine. But OTOH I seem to have a smoother experience with macOS. Over six years of using it daily, I can't remember that I've had a single crash that caused data loss. I can't even remember an OS crash at all, though this is roughly the case for W10 as well. I have had restarts caused by failed batteries etc., but every time all the apps saved state and everything came back exactly as it was before the crash.
Not sure if this makes one more or less right than the other. People have different experiences. I may still have to go with Windows, but what I find annoying is that it's 2018 and I still don't have any particularly appealing choices for personal laptop computing.
In the field I'll push a tremendous amount of data through the system. At home under average use I never see any issue with my Mac's, equally once on the job macOS lets go in a matter of days. W10 on admittedly faster hardware and throughput holds up without issue; 6 Cores, 12 threads, considering moving to an AMD solution with 8 Cores 16 threads. I only use notebooks as I work globally, needing to be on site. Performance of Apple's notebooks is laughable at best in 2018...
Apple's made it's own bed...
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You find a nice happy Ryzen laptop, be sure to share, ok?
As others have posted we do need to keep it in perspective, Apple are not necessarily even the worst for this form of behavior. I've recently updated to Windows 10 1803 and it managed to brick three devices (a HP, Lenovo and a custom build AMD PC using standard off the shelf parts). No real way to recover and Microsoft are effectively ignoring the widely reported issues (device failure, blue screen's, no recovery path) and have even declared their OS now ready for the enterprise!
They'll often release substantial updates to their OS and are aware of defects but push on with the release anyway. They'll know that driver support is often far too immature to support a modified new OS release.
That's before we get the their Surface premium line which has suffered a number of hardware and software related defects.
Let's not forget Samsung, at least Apple haven't released exploding devices yet. Samsung eventually did the right thing...eventually.
They'll often release substantial updates to their OS and are aware of defects but push on with the release anyway. They'll know that driver support is often far too immature to support a modified new OS release.
That's before we get the their Surface premium line which has suffered a number of hardware and software related defects.
Let's not forget Samsung, at least Apple haven't released exploding devices yet. Samsung eventually did the right thing...eventually.
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A lot of people would beg to differ. There was a lot of uproar on my feed with the recent update...
Definitely, why do so many businesses still run with Windows 7, a near 10 year old OS? The worst thing MS did recently was release Windows Server 2016 which ignores it's own group policy setting and goes ahead and updates then restarts anyway. No more 24/7 managed operation. You could fix it temporarily through PowerShell but quite a few businesses learnt the hard way.
It's taken MS several iterations of Windows 10 to finally allow even basic control of your own devices update policy after several years of vociferous complaints.
For what it's worth, my months-old home built Windows gaming PC would become unresponsive on startup, becoming the software equivalent of bricked. I tried reinstalling windows saving documents and programs, then just documents, no fix. Eventually I wiped everything away and reinstalled from nothing. That fixed the problem, until I reinstalled an old copy of Visual Studio (2008) I was using, which broke it again. After wiping it all for a final time and not reinstalling the old VS, it's worked perfectly for months now.
I'm mentioning this just incase something similar has happened in your case, and you might be able to get the computers working agin with a full clean install.
ANYWAYS... I must admit it is very frustrating to see other companies releasing notebooks with 6-core CPUs, coupled with even 1070/1080 Max-Q GPUs, WITH big batteries, all in surprisingly thin and light packages. Quite frankly, the fact that Apple can't even get close to this level of power in their 15" MBPs is shameful. I don't accept that these are 'gaming' laptops is relevant either, because the only difference between a high powered pro laptop and a gaming laptop is some extra RGB LEDs and some words on the box.
I love the trackpads of MBPs, the screens, the way they are built, etc. I also love the software, and have never had a major problem with MacOS. Both of these things are so far above any Windows laptop I've ever used it's not funny. It's the hardware between the I/O interfaces and OS that has always been disappointing.
Updated primary & secondary to 1803 tethered to a smartphone up country in Malaysia, rest when I returned home. Daughter's Surface Book again updated seamlessly. There was an issue with Intel SSD's I believe, equally MS put a halt on 1803 for those systems.
Major problem with Windows is that you need to read the instruction's first...
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You find a nice happy Ryzen laptop, be sure to share, ok?
8 core Ryzen 7 2700 & Vega 56 confirmed by the OEM, currently roughing it with the i7 8750H, GTX 1070 & 32Gb, not that it's much of a hardship
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I don't think that's entirely true. I'm not aware of any instructions from Microsoft stating that if you want to turn off automatic updates, you switch the network to metered. I find it far more likely that the intent is that you're not supposed to be able to turn off auto updates, but for metered connections they would be facing legal issues if people en masse started receiving crazy bills due to auto updates. To me this is not a matter of reading the instructions, it's a matter of design to remove user control over updates.
If they come out with a new keyboard and/or design in 2018, then I don't believe we'll see a major update next year. If we get a spec bump this year then maybe next year will be the year for a more robust change.
The issue I have with a spec bump this year is that they may not address the keyboard. Yes maybe its tweaked or fully fixed, but we'll not know until time passes. If we wait 6 months to get some hard numbers regarding the keyboard (from september/october) that brings up into a March-ish 2019 time frame, and so do you now wait for WWDC 2019? My point there is; the unknown of the keyboard can push the purchase of a MBP so far out into the future, its not worth waiting imo. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions over a lot of unknowns, but I am spooked over spending so much money and then having to deal with a keyboard that may need to be sent in for repair (worst case, multiple times). I don't know about you, but I'm fairly busy and I don't want to keep going to the apple store and waiting, and then being without a laptop for a couple of weeks, regardless if they pay for it.
Ah yes, I saw that one. It's a bit of a monster, not exactly what I'm after. In my previous post, I forgot that Ryzen mobile is only 4 core for now.8 core Ryzen 7 2700 & Vega 56 confirmed by the OEM, currently roughing it with the i7 8750H, GTX 1070 & 32Gb, not that it's much of a hardship
Oh and thank you for the Cinebench pic. I may rethink my laptop plan now, and not get a 6 core after all. My 8700K hits ~1700cb overclocked if I remember correctly, which puts it roughly on par with the iMac Pro. Not sure I'd like to drop 25% performance from that, so I might just continue using the desktop, and get a lower spec laptop.
Getting a 4th 6-core system is not all that exciting after all, when you've been on 6-core systems since 2010.
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I don't think you'd need to wait 6 months to get some indications on whether the keyboard is improved. There should be some fair indications within a month or two after release. It won't be scientific level data, but you wouldn't have that after six months either and possibly not ever since Apple doesn't make the actual data available.
Yeah, that's an extreme example but think about it.
They roll out a new MBP in September and October, that's the holiday season. Its not inconceivable to wait until after December, and then that does put you into 2019. My point is Apple has put us in a position of waiting and it can turn into a vicisous cycle.
Like some PC manufacturers who use the trackpad as a 2nd screen, Apple could use iPad like virtual keyboard for the MBP line. If they integrate iPAD into MBP and continue to try to make thinner laptops, they will use virtual keyboard. So, they may not bother to improve butterfly keyboards for MBP 2016,2017 users since they are going to drop it.
Can someone refresh my memory on what day hardware releases typically are on? If there is one.
I haven’t posted in a while but my recent need for a MBP has me back on the forums.
As a side note, I just handed down my 2010 MBP to my daughter for college with a new SSD card and battery. She loves it. The fact that I can say that is amazing and the reason why I will not buy a windows device again.
I haven’t posted in a while but my recent need for a MBP has me back on the forums.
As a side note, I just handed down my 2010 MBP to my daughter for college with a new SSD card and battery. She loves it. The fact that I can say that is amazing and the reason why I will not buy a windows device again.
As a touch typist I am already delighted just thinking about that :/
On my IPP, I actually prefer to type on the screen than on external keyboard. It just takes up some screen real estate.
Too bad I cannot wait for another two years for the MBP with virtual keyboard.
Makes sense. But then, you'd probably want to wait similarly after the 2019 models are released, so that puts you back to normal again. I think this is why people usually say to buy now if your need is now. If your need is later or is a "want" then you can wait.
That said, if the 2018 models turn out to be good, then I don't think waiting for the 2019 models will be worth it. They most likely won't be on 10nm anyway, and if they are you'll probably be waiting until late 2019. Though they might include 7nm Navi, which may be nice. Is the "waiting for 2019 MBP..." thread up yet?
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Haha, virtual or onscreen keyboard for MBP would be the biggest nightmare yet. If anything were to completely kill my productivity, that would be it. I would no longer consider MBPs at all if that were to happen. Luckily, I find it quite unlikely given that Apple have clearly stated that they don't intend to merge the two product lines.
I would welcome innovation on input devices though. Making the touchpad usable with the pen, or maybe make it a combined touch screen, that could make sense to me. Or add a physical device that aids video scrubbing. Or some variant of a 3d mouse that can complement gestures. The touch bar was possibly intended to be this innovative new input device, but it's not quite living up to being as awesome as it might have.
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I don't think there is any typical day. Many expect Sept or Oct, but personally I think if it's just a spec bump that they may press release them as soon as they have them ready. They are already kinda late, and it's got to start hurting sales rather quickly. Nothing like that to start a fire...
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I guess my box isn't much of a hardship either, though it's not a laptop. I've actually down clocked it here a bit, but apparently it still compares favourably with the iMac Pro. This is my cheap gaming box, mind you. To keep this on topic, I've kinda been hoping that a maxed out 2018 MBP would reach say 80% of the performance, but I'm not so sure anymore. How does your laptop do in something like Heaven or Valley?8 core Ryzen 7 2700 & Vega 56 confirmed by the OEM, currently roughing it with the i7 8750H, GTX 1070 & 32Gb, not that it's much of a hardship
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True but would be hard on the carry on traveling with the 8700K. AMD notebook will hit around 1500CB, although very far from being a lightweight. Notebooks with the 8950HK should bein the range of 1400CB, even the 1200CB range of the 8750H remains to be extremely performant for a computer you can drop in a bag and go...
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I'm right there with you along with my 2012 MBP Retina 15.4" I've put a lot of miles on it during the last 6 years, and would like, and need, more storage capacity.
Given last year's "update" I'm skeptical about anything coming from Apple with a cheaper price, and that won't offer market success given the dark-side's competitive pricing. Maybe Tim Cook could shift some of the iPhone profits over to hardware investment for a real change. Apple must be more competitive as the hardware market is evolving in favor of PC, and I say that with serious regret. I'm simply not gonna pay $2,700+ for a new MBP vs $1,250 for a comparable PC.
Sorry, I meant what day of week. Is there a pattern of releasing hardware on Tuesday’s or Friday? Maybe none at all.
I don't know. But I do know the data is available to find if you want to investigate.