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Waiting for the 2018 MBP

BiscottiGelato said:
65W USB-C charger for a few bucks? You sure? Even if it exists I probably won't risk the Mac, or my entire house over it.....
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In the future, I reckon.

Right now in Australia, you can buy from HP one, a 65W version: http://h20386.www2.hp.com/AustraliaStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=X7W50AA&opt=&sel=DEF

So that's about $US55, based on Australia's likely higher pricing. Who knows how low they'll go? There are Griffen magnet breaker ones out too ... And I bet, they'll all be cheaper than a Magpower version from Apple.

In the USA, Apple charges on their web site the same price of $US79 for a 61w magsafe charger, as it does for an 87w USB-C charger. USB-C will be a cheaper format and its volume of sales due to the coming proliferation of USB-C charging notebooks.
 
Melbourne Park said:
In the future, I reckon.

Right now in Australia, you can buy from HP one, a 65W version: http://h20386.www2.hp.com/AustraliaStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=X7W50AA&opt=&sel=DEF

So that's about $US55, based on Australia's likely higher pricing. Who knows how low they'll go? There are Griffen magnet breaker ones out too ... And I bet, they'll all be cheaper than a Magpower version from Apple.

In the USA, Apple charges on their web site the same price of $US79 for a 61w magsafe charger, as it does for an 87w USB-C charger. USB-C will be a cheaper format and its volume of sales due to the coming proliferation of USB-C charging notebooks.
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Maybe down to the 20/30 buck range? I don't think there's anything 65W or above for a few bucks. Short of an incandescent lightbulb maybe. LOL
 
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djdeepv said:
Anyone have realistic predictions for the 2018 MBP and release? I’m hoping for them to make the base model $1,300 and 256GB of SSD, March release. Not holding my breath though.
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What's realistic is an update to Intel 8th generation processors and in the 15" MBP, Vega mobile graphics. The date is hard to predict because Intel hasn't yet announced availability of the appropriate processors (28W and 45W) that Apple uses in the MBP. I expect there might be a modest price/value improvement, but $1300 might be pushing it for the entry-level model.

groove-agent said:
There will always be a faster MBP around the corner, but I'm holding out for Apple to fix the design flaw with the keyboard.
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Same here. A reliable keyboard is a must for me - I hope keyboard reliability takes a big step forward in 2018.

UBS28 said:
So when will the 2018 15” MBP with 50% more CPU and GPU performance released? Is it early 2018 or mid 2018?
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No one knows. Intel hasn't even announced when they will have volume availability of the appropriate processors, but many people are expecting they will show up in Q1 or Q2 at latest. If I had to guess, an announcement at WWDC is likely.

fokmik said:
i think Apple should not release any new mac without BT 5.0
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I agree completely. It's probably a little thing for most people, but this is a big factor for me.


I'm expecting to upgrade my 2012 15" rMBP to the equivalent 2018 model. My realistic expectations include:
8th generation Intel chips (likely up to six-cores / 12 threads)
Vega mobile graphics
Bluetooth 5.0
Keyboard improvements (even if only improved reliability)

My desired improvements which I'm not counting on but would help make my upgrade a slam dunk:
Improved iSight camera (1080p, better low-light performance, etc.)
Higher battery capacity / battery life (perhaps the return of the "terraced" battery)
Faster 802.11ac "Wave 2" WiFi

My additional desired improvements which unfortunately are probably not realistic (at least not in 2018):
32GB of fast, low-power RAM (probably in 2019)
Face ID camera (if it's a hit on iPhone it will come to iPad Pro and more iPhone models in 2018, but probably not to MBP until the next redesign ~2020)
Return of magsafe (possible but not counting on it)
A single USB-A port (I realize this is never going to happen)
 
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Ener Ji said:
What's realistic is an update to Intel 8th generation processors and in the 15" MBP, Vega mobile graphics. The date is hard to predict because Intel hasn't yet announced availability of the appropriate processors (28W and 45W) that Apple uses in the MBP. I expect there might be a modest price/value improvement, but $1300 might be pushing it for the entry-level model.
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Rumour is limited number of chips this year:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/intel-cannonlake-on-track-for-2017/
 
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I don't even care about 8th gen chips honestly - I just want:

1. Fix keyboard reliability (and make it quieter if possible)
2. Make TouchBar optional across the lines (or kill it altogether)
3. Smaller request, but on the 15", please make the trackpad the size of 13" one.
4. Can we please have a USB-A, HDMI & SD port on the 15" models again?

I realize 3 & 4 will probably never happen, but I sure hope 1 & 2 do.
 
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So what are the chances of ddr4 and a quad core on the 13 for 2018?

I would like to upgrade my macbook 12 2015 model.

A quad core / eight thread chip in the 13 would be sweet. Oh and ddr3 for a $2,000 in a 2017 laptop is funny.

I normally let my macbooks last a lot longer but this macbook 12 (while badass) requires a good bit of resource management lol and as soon as it gets warm the clockspeed drops to 1990's levels
 
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airattack111 said:
So what are the chances of ddr4 and a quad core on the 13 for 2018?

I would like to upgrade my macbook 12 2015 model.

A quad core / eight thread chip in the 13 would be sweet. Oh and ddr3 for a $2,000 in a 2017 laptop is funny.
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Nope, we probably won‘t get DDR4 next year. intel still doesn‘t support LPDDR4, and regular DDR4 uses too much power. So yeah, 16 GB LPDDR3 is probably the best we‘ll get next year, best case would be slightly higher frequenzy memory.
 
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gadgetfreaky said:
Has anyone seen suitable coffee lake - 6 core chips anywhere?? Suitbable for 15 inch?
I have not even seen benchmark leaks with them.
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Not available yet:
https://ark.intel.com/products/series/122593/8th-Generation-Intel-Core-i7-Processors

I’m guessing at least one model of 15” MPB will drop down to a 28W quad core with iris graphics to replace the 2015 entry model at some point as intel don’t offer H series with iris plus/pro any more and I don’t see Apple offering a dgpu at that price point (or offering only weak UHD 620 graphics)
 
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I wonder if we get proper HDR support in the next year or two. I'm not sure how common that is on laptops. If I drop $2800 on a computer, I'd like to keep it for three years or so. That is the main thing holding me back now. I'm going to buy an external GPU + Monitor for the laptop eventually.
 
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x34 said:
fantastic keyboard, no fix needed except some more realiability.
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Tell that to my employer. International corp w/ 30k headcount has put a freeze/ban on MBP purchases due to keyboard failure rate. I talked to our divisions purchasers about upgrading my old dell to a MBP and he said that's a no go unless there is a really really good reason you need macOS. Essentially unless the software you need is macOS only, then no you can't get one. He said they've had way too many in in for keyboard replacements. Yes they have 4 year service warranties but that's an additional $400 on top of the high cost of the Mac's in the first place where as with dell we get like 40% of retail and 4 year service plan is built in.
 
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Edmundovic said:
My 2011 MBP 17’
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I'm still jealous of those of you with a 17" - I really wish they still made them, especially since the move towards thinness and shrinking bezels would make a modern 17" even better.

My first PowerBook G4 in 2003 was a 17" - I totally loved that as my main/only machine. It really fit my workflow in that I liked to move around the house and town and travel with it from time to time, but otherwise once setup it was a beautiful beast with a large canvas.
 
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Ener Ji said:
What's realistic is an update to Intel 8th generation processors and in the 15" MBP, Vega mobile graphics. The date is hard to predict because Intel hasn't yet announced availability of the appropriate processors (28W and 45W) that Apple uses in the MBP. I expect there might be a modest price/value improvement, but $1300 might be pushing it for the entry-level model.
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I think the 10nm cannonlake chips (Y series) have now been pushed back to mid-late 2018, the 8th gen U series are beginning to deploy, but so far only 15W chips with UHD graphics (so not even suitable for nTB machines which still offer iris graphics) and no word on H series yet. On that basis it's looking like the refresh might be closer to June than March/April - unless they do a refresh dropping prices/ raising storage tiers and other tweaks in the spring and then the full chip refresh in the Autumn when the full lineup will be available. That also bodes badly for the wholesale move to 10mn for all lines of chips that was meant to be happening in late 2018 into 2019. I know it's better to wait for fully baked chips than expect Intel to rush out a mess, but this transition down a node size has really been dragged along to the extreme now...
 
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turbineseaplane said:
I don't even care about 8th gen chips honestly - I just want:

1. Fix keyboard reliability (and make it quieter if possible)
2. Make TouchBar optional across the lines (or kill it altogether)
3. Smaller request, but on the 15", please make the trackpad the size of 13" one.
4. Can we please have a USB-A, HDMI & SD port on the 15" models again?

I realize 3 & 4 will probably never happen, but I sure hope 1 & 2 do.
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1.
I now have a 2017 15", and they keyboard sound actually is quite variable. I have tended to hammer the keyboard, but this one can be touch quite lightly. If you do so its much quite than my wife's HP 13" Elitebook x360 1030 G2 notebook. But if I hammer the keys, its a touch noise. I reckon overall is pretty quiet. If I go real fast, i reckon its going to be very quiet. Not silent though like the 15". A big difference with the keyboard is that the keys are bigger, and the gaps between the keys are smaller. I'm not sure if this is why some people are getting more mistakes. I did a typing test on my wife's HP (which wins awards for the best notebook keyboard or at worse "non better", and with the word "error" I only did not get rrr instead of rr on her HP, when I slowed down to type error. I am not getting the triple "rrr" on this keyboard. I'm typing very well on it now, but I reckon in a few more hours, it will be terrific. So my fears are now gone about the keyboard. Longevity is another issue, but I am not worried about it because if it fails in Australia Apple will have to repair it because its expect live is considerable and that's what will define Apple's warranty in Aus for keyboards.
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Why not make it an option? Good idea for a low entry model. I like it a heap actually ... like the next word is predicted as you type on mine and hence its got the predictive text that the iPhone uses ... my wife would love it as she doesn't type as quickly as me. Its now fun to view the bar, and I've only had the computer a number of hours.The bar is nothing like a touch screen - its much closer and its reachable. Maybe I needed to wake up to a good idea after all.
3. With the track pad, I would not have bought the machine if I'd have been touching the keypad while typing. But really Apple - have a button on the touch pad which corrects the size of the touch pad, so its disabled for various apps. If people want that. Just a software correction, it should be easy.
4. While I agree with the ports - hmmm - this thing is so small!! Its exactly the same height in the base of the notebook as my wife's 13" HP. But its screen is much thinner. Its hardly any bigger than the HP, which is 13". The screen being thin and light, its go a much lower Centre of Gravity - which makes it feel lighter, and more stable. Apple should give you a C+to USB 3 cable in the box though. Really Apple - give that away. In Australia where our dollar is week, you can get card reader, USB 3 docks for $20. One with two docking points and HDMI, Firewire through it, two USB C and USB 3+ and Firewire ports is here $Au135 or around $100 in the US. Considering the savings in bulk, yeh, I'm OPK with it. I would have got a dock but will now get a cable connection on, to save space. And less wear and tear on a cable connection because you can turn the dock and fit in a card or cable more in line.

This thing is awesome after all and the charge cable is so convenient. I bought an infra red camera for the iPhone, and I can charge it with my wife's computer charge cable (an HP C+ or Firewire 3 charger). Hey I can charge the Apple with that cable, and charge the camera with the Apple charge cable. I just save the bulk of three chargers down to one charger. The charger is win for me now, and next year, proprietor chargers will be very unpopular IMO.
 
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drewyboy said:
Tell that to my employer. International corp w/ 30k headcount has put a freeze/ban on MBP purchases due to keyboard failure rate. I talked to our divisions purchasers about upgrading my old dell to a MBP and he said that's a no go unless there is a really really good reason you need macOS. Essentially unless the software you need is macOS only, then no you can't get one. He said they've had way too many in in for keyboard replacements. Yes they have 4 year service warranties but that's an additional $400 on top of the high cost of the Mac's in the first place where as with dell we get like 40% of retail and 4 year service plan is built in.
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The worst part of this travesty (one which resulted in me returning my 2016 MacBook), is that pre-2016, not only did that have the best keyboard, but they blew away the competition. Same story with the trackpad, they were not just better but far better than everyone, absolutely perfect with no change required - then they decided to make it bigger than it needs to and now there is occasional ghost clicks and cursor moves where palm rejection (or finger, I mean it’s a huge surface you now have to avoid...) fails. Very few use cases for such a huge track pad and to boot, anyone who needed that much cursor movement regularly (ie professionally) would usually use a mouse.
 
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Hi,
Like a lot of people on here I'll most likely wait for the 32GB Macbook, but is there anything I can do to improve the speed & performance of what I have at the moment? I use very big Excel for Mac spreadsheets, and filtering is very slow. My spec is attached. I'm a tech novice, so please excuse the ignorance.
Also when is the new MBP likely to arrive, do we know?
 

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crabman9 said:
Hi,
Like a lot of people on here I'll most likely wait for the 32GB Macbook, but is there anything I can do to improve the speed & performance of what I have at the moment? I use very big Excel for Mac spreadsheets, and filtering is very slow. My spec is attached. I'm a tech novice, so please excuse the ignorance.
Also when is the new MBP likely to arrive, do we know?
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Not much you can do on the hardware side. But do you run the most current version of Excel for Mac? I recently switched from the 2011 version to the current one, and it's MUCH faster! If you are, a clean reinstall of OS X might help.
 
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Poki said:
Not much you can do on the hardware side. But do you run the most current version of Excel for Mac? I recently switched from the 2011 version to the current one, and it's MUCH faster! If you are, a clean reinstall of OS X might help.
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Good tip, thanks. I'm running 2011 also, so I'll update it and hopefully see the improvement.
 
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crabman9 said:
Hi,
Like a lot of people on here I'll most likely wait for the 32GB Macbook, but is there anything I can do to improve the speed & performance of what I have at the moment? I use very big Excel for Mac spreadsheets, and filtering is very slow. My spec is attached. I'm a tech novice, so please excuse the ignorance.
Also when is the new MBP likely to arrive, do we know?
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I recall doing a spreadsheet test on a Mac CX verses an IBM 486 25Mhz computer. The mac did it in about 8 minutes. The gang ho super fast IBM cost I think $14,000 in maybe the early 1990s, did it in 14 minutes. I tested that spreadsheet again a couple of years later, and the results were about the same - around 14 minutes. The version of Excel changed, and MS slowed the newer Mac version down.

Anyhow - I don't know what part of the CPU effects Excel and filtering. Maybe ask microsoft whether Excel supports multi cored CPUs, or whether Excel can use a GPU. If Excel doesn't benefit from multi threading, then dual core fast clock rate would be better. If it benefits from a GPU, then a seperate GPU would help. If the spreadsheet is very large, perhaps its hitting memory limits and then its have to use virtual memory, where the memory available gets shared with much much slower disk space. Check the performance indicators on OS X go see how much RAM your spreadsheet uses ... Try some Excel site to find out what you need.
 
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