Okay so. My advice is to wait due to these coming chip changes. How long that involves waiting is the question - although they simply cannot ignore DELL, HP etc shipping quad core 13"s for too long in my opinion
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Okay so. My advice is to wait due to these coming chip changes. How long that involves waiting is the question - although they simply cannot ignore DELL, HP etc shipping quad core 13"s for too long in my opinion
Dave245
macrumors G4
Early next year i would guess around April, they could wait until WWDC again if they wanted to make it a yearly thing but i doubt that, i think this years WWDC was a one off in terms of the amount of updates that were made. I'm in no big hurry to update as my 2011 MacBook Pro still works, so i'm willing to wait. Also my 2012 iMac at home is due an update so if the specs on those are going to be a big jump i might update the iMac next year as well.
argentum47
macrumors regular
If anything along that direction were to actually happen, I'd suggest that Apple release updated nTB MBPs alongside TB MBPs with exactly the same specs & price.
That way, Tim actually gets to increase his lovely profit margins. Some will still whine about the greed, but at least the whiners (including myself) can get what they need: a properly updated MBP without the TB.
I think the negative critics on the TB have been significant enough to justify such a seemingly messy lineup.
Dave245
macrumors G4
I guess we will see where they go with it next, i personally don’t have a problem with the Touch Bar. I wonder if they will end up bringing it to the iMac keyboard. None Touch Bar versions should get the same specs I agree there. The updates in 2018 may end up being big enough.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
Frankly, I'm ready for an Apple designed CPU+GPU powered MacBook
The gains they've had on the iOS devices are very impressive.
The gains they've had on the iOS devices are very impressive.
Falhófnir
macrumors 603
How much power do you use? If you’re not going to really want tons of multi core performance you won’t notice a difference. If the chips drop off in single core performance to accommodate the extra cores while staying within the same thermal envelope you might even see a slight decrease in system interface responsiveness, as this benefits from single core performance more than anything.
Dave245
macrumors G4
The most power I probably use is when editing videos, at the moment it’s 1080p but that may increase to 4K eventually, I also write a lot. My 2011 MacBook Pro has served me very well and I also use my 2012 iMac, I’m waiting for the next design change in the iMac range before updating so I’m hoping that’s next year!
PeterJP
macrumors 65816
After looking at the desktop Coffee Lake announcements, I'm quite excited that we'll be seeing the first MBPs with octacore processors. It indeed is a good reason to hold off buying a new machine now. Is there an indication of the expected release date of the Intel Coffee Lake H series processors that the MBPs use?
If not, my guess is January-February. Why? It was 3-4 months between the first geekbench leak for the desktop processors and their official launch. And the first geekbench leak of an H series processor just happened. So if we count 3-4 months from now, it's jan-feb. MBPs should then follow around in March-April if they follow the average release cycle according thhe MacRumors' Buyers' Guide 🙂
If not, my guess is January-February. Why? It was 3-4 months between the first geekbench leak for the desktop processors and their official launch. And the first geekbench leak of an H series processor just happened. So if we count 3-4 months from now, it's jan-feb. MBPs should then follow around in March-April if they follow the average release cycle according thhe MacRumors' Buyers' Guide 🙂
PeterJP
macrumors 65816
Well, it seems like it was 2 months ago. Maybe we can expect it next month then? 😛
http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-coffee-lake-h-series-processor-geekbench-benchmark-appears_197447
Wait... OCTA aka EIGHT aka 8-Core? I was of the impression that we'll only get hexa/6-core ones?
PeterJP
macrumors 65816
Hexa, that's the right term I needed to use if I was going to sound intelligent. You're right: 6 cores.
I just upgraded my SSD to 512 GB and my RAM to 16GB on my mid-2012 MBP, stave off upgrading for another year. It's just disappointing how incomplete the new MBPs are compared to that one. :/
SeeHole
macrumors member
This thread did it... I have a late 2011 and upgraded 8 months ago to a 1TB SSD. My graphics card went out right after that and even though the Apple replacement program had just run out, they were kind enough to replace it. Apple is REALLY good that way! I was just about to pull the trigger for a new 15" 1TB MBP, but then I rethought it after reading some posts in this thread and I will wait until the new MBP comes out next year, or until this machine goes belly up and I am forced to buy a new one. lol
Poki
macrumors 65816
Wow, thanks for the link! I did actually miss this benchmark.
The performance isn't as good as I expected though. Same single core performance as the 15W quad-core 8th gen CPUs, and "only" a 40% faster multi-core performance. Having said that, it seems like both the 13" and 15" MacBook Pros will see significant performance boosts next year. And I think it's okay that the 13" gets a bigger boost - ever since the 15" ones switched to quad-core CPUs, the smaller MBPs lagged behind in the performance department a little too much imho.
Hitrate
macrumors 6502
I agree. Why only nTB option for 13" folks in this overly feminist driven world we´re living in now, it should be mandatory to have that option on 15" otherwise we might as well start calling a bitch, a bitch, again!
Poki
macrumors 65816
AMD just showed off their new 15W notebook-chips too. Being "APUs" they combine CPUs and GPUs - while this is not much different than what Intel is doing with their integrated GPUs, AMDs claims their GPUs are more powerful, while they seem to be able to compete even on the CPU side this time. Since Apple is already using AMD GPUs and is obviously valuing GPU performance in their Macs, I could actually see them using these chips over Intels, especially if the release timing is better. No words on higher powered 6-core chips for the 15" MBP though.
Too bad they compare the graphics performance to Intel's UHD 620, and not to the Iris Plus 650 - because they're about comparable to the latter and don't seem to have an advantage, according to the few benchmarks they're showing. But hey, at least Intel finally has got some competition again.
http://www.tomshardware.de/ryzen-vega-notebook,news-258649.html
(The article is in German, but the graphs do tell the whole story)
Too bad they compare the graphics performance to Intel's UHD 620, and not to the Iris Plus 650 - because they're about comparable to the latter and don't seem to have an advantage, according to the few benchmarks they're showing. But hey, at least Intel finally has got some competition again.
http://www.tomshardware.de/ryzen-vega-notebook,news-258649.html
(The article is in German, but the graphs do tell the whole story)
The question is also... whether AMD has chips with higher TDPs to compete with H-Level Intel CPUs.
Theoretically... if they had an APU with a strong GPU... a dedicated one would not be needed, so that in the end a ~70W APU could be used in the 15" machine.
Theoretically... if they had an APU with a strong GPU... a dedicated one would not be needed, so that in the end a ~70W APU could be used in the 15" machine.
Poki
macrumors 65816
Let's also not forget that gaming consoles, all the way up to the XBox One X with its 6 TFLOPs of graphics power, do use AMD APUs. So an APU does not have to mean bad graphics performance necessarily. Either way, the next update is going to be very interesting.
4-6 core on 45W mobile chips is happening. As for 15W chips, Apple do actually use them in the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro. Personally i’d prefer a 15W and a dGPU rather than a 28W.
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That’s the case because Intel haven’t done much with their processors as they haven’t had real competition. Now that Ryzen is here, they’re finally upping core count on mainstream processors. Usually performance gains are 15% maximum, but this will be 50-60% faster.
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Maybe a 12” MacBook but it’s still not there yet. I’d like to see them do a GPU for MacBooks and MacBook Pros but their current ones don’t even beat out Intel integrated graphics. So this won’t be happening anytime soon.
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We won’t see them switch next year but it could be a possibility in the future. It’s cool that they beat out 8th gen 15W chips.
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The Touch Bar, like Touch ID is hard to do on a wireless keyboard due to various reasons. Dynamic e-ink keys and Face ID is the future on Macs. The Touch Bar has its uses but it’s just a bit controversial and hard to consistently implement. Even though I’d like to see it on a keyboard, it has it’s drawbacks.
groove-agent
macrumors 68020
There will always be a faster MBP around the corner, but I'm holding out for Apple to fix the design flaw with the keyboard.
So when will the 2018 15” MBP with 50% more CPU and GPU performance released? Is it early 2018 or mid 2018?
Tensakun
macrumors 6502
Right. Some may very well have good use of 32-GB RAM and blazing-fast processors, but all of us need trustworthy, reliable hardware. Apple needs to get back to basics and not emphasize bling like Touchbars.
fokmik
Suspended
i think Apple should not release any new mac without BT 5.0
