All I'm waiting for is for them to fix the keyboards. That's it. That's all I need. My computer at work will become a MBP the instant they release a new MBP with an updated (fixed) keyboard. If after a month or two of use all checks out, I'll be updating my personal MBP also.
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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fantastic keyboard, no fix needed except some more realiability.
That's a mighty huge caveat. After about 15-min. typing in the AppleStore (stares by staff even in laid-back Osaka), decided I could live with the KB and probably get to like it. What keeps me from pulling the trigger on a '17 MBP is the continuing tales of KBs going down from a few specks of dust, while Apple doesn't publicly address the issue, let alone explain how it'll improve the KB.
Rumored E-ink KB, where the keys' characters change with different setups, doesn't really turn my dial. Might just slap a KB cover on the current KB and hope for the best...
Different people like different things. But I can't for the life of me understand how you and others prefer this new keyboard to the old one.
So I have a 2016 MB bought as second machine - i.e. 12" with the first version of the new keyboard. I have to say after using for a few days, it is a nicer keyboard. It takes adjustment, and I didn't like it at first (o testgin it in store) but ultimately after a few days adjustment I can type faster on the new one. The only problem is reliability - I bought this machine second hand so its had some use - the right shift key is a bit unreliable already. So to me - its a nice keyboard to type on, but they really really need to do something about the durability of them.
I'd still never buy a MBP with a Touchbar however. I'll defect to Dell first.
Wish I could say I had the same experience and feelings. After a month with the new one 15", I still (much) preferred the keyboard on my 2014 15". Ended up returning it. (The keyboard was a distant third in my complaints though; the TB and trackpad were my two biggest dislikes, and my dog's cord yank one day made me miss MagSafe.)
It's sad. I've upgraded Apple laptops every generation or every other generation for almost two decades now. And I like the screen and performance bump on the new ones. Just too many drawbacks for me personally.
Hmm ... I have looked at the multi thread CPU speed, and the 2.8Gz 2015 machine is the same speed (must threats speed test) as the 2017 2.8Ghz machine.
So a refurb 2015 might be the best buy for me. I don't have to buy anything extra and the keyboard won't pose problems for me. Don't know why there are two 2.8Ghz mid 2015 macbook pros though ... makes me think there is an error there ...
MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2017)
Intel Core i7-7920HQ @ 3.1 GHz (4 cores)
15667
MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2017)
Intel Core i7-7820HQ @ 2.9 GHz (4 cores)
15313
MacBook Pro (15-inch Retina Mid 2015)
Intel Core i7-4980HQ @ 2.8 GHz (4 cores)
14435
MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2017)
Intel Core i7-7700HQ @ 2.8 GHz (4 cores)
14421
MacBook Pro (15-inch Retina Mid 2015)
Intel Core i7-4980HQ @ 2.8 GHz (4 cores)
14316
Honestly I say I can't go back to the old MBP keyboard. It's mushy and my error rate goes down with these new keyboards. Love the much more stable keys.
And the trackpad. Way too big.
And the touchbar. Useless POS
And put a port or two back.
None of those are likely so probably going back to windows.
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First gen for rMB is pretty awful. But yeah the later ones with more travel on the bigger ones is good. Just terribly unreliable.
The new keyboard on the Macbook Pro is terrible. Clacky clack - much too noisy! I solved the problem by buying a small thin bluetooth keyboard from Logitech and placing it on top of the Macbook keyboard. Much nicer keyboard and very silent. I also have access to the touch pad (which by the way, is much too big)
Wow, pretty extreme solution, but if it works for you, great. Hard to imagine, though, it tight situations like on small coffee shop tables or trains/buses.
To me, the purpose of a mobile computer is to keep in reliable contact, either thru iPhone tethering or WiFi hotspots, to immediately respond to client needs while on the road, to dependably give presentations, and to handle on the fly work in Word, PowerPoint, etc. as needed. So I don't need the monster power of those who use their laptops for video editing or other intensive computing tasks. If I got an iMac, I could probably make do with the MB, but I like to use a single work machine (which is why I mainly ignore, except for watching YouTube, the desktop PC my company has supplied me).
So like a wide swath of MBP users, certainly not all of you good dudes, what I need is RELIABILITY.
I hated the ones on the first two generations of MacBook, but the version on the pros and 2017 MacBook is acceptable enough, at least there’s decisive feedback that you pressed the key. A fraction more travel and fixing the reliability issues would be great for me.
I’d like to see the TB pros move to at least a 384gb SSD as standard with the next revision if 512 is out of the question due to high and rising SSD costs. Really with the price of entry for the 15” though I don’t see how they can’t fit 512 into the price.
Ha funny thing is my main machine is a 2014 15" MBP and after using the 12" machine I find the keys on the MBP to be very soft - squishy almost. Pressing them it feels they wobble horizontally in different directions compared to the 12". Never noticed that before using the 12" keyboard
Ha funny thing is my main machine is a 2014 15" MBP and after using the 12" machine I find the keys on the MBP to be very soft - squishy almost. Pressing them it feels they wobble horizontally in different directions compared to the 12". Never noticed that before using the 12" keyboard
Funny and odd that you say this as I have noticed the same thing. It was an adjustment, but I have gotten used to the keyboard on my 2016 ntb MBP. So much so that when I needed to help my son, who is on my old MacBook Air (2012), the keys felt too tall and wobley. I had to laugh out loud....all the gnashing of teeth and consternation about new keyboards and I now have so fully adjusted that I prefer the new one. BTW, my next addition wont come until I see that the next ntb MBP looks like in 2018. However, if pressed, or we find the need, I would certainly get a 2017 ntb MBP.
Hmm interesting. Maybe I just need to give myself more than a month to adjust? Perhaps in my "old" (and by that I mean not 20s) age, I'm becoming slower to embrace change.Ha funny thing is my main machine is a 2014 15" MBP and after using the 12" machine I find the keys on the MBP to be very soft - squishy almost. Pressing them it feels they wobble horizontally in different directions compared to the 12". Never noticed that before using the 12" keyboard
Also, you damn kids, get off my lawn!
I don't know that I'll ever embrace the TB, though. Tactile response doesn't matter so much on a phone since you are looking at the phone too. But our eyes can't simultaneously look at a screen and a keyboard. I appreciate that some people enjoy the dynamic flexibility that the TB affords, but as someone who uses those function keys extensively, the TB is a huge step backward for me. I could have lived with all the other sacrifices and compromises, but the TB is the deal-breaking reason I returned the 2016 15".
Too bad the chances that Apple will improve the keyboard and / or the Touch Bar in the next revision are very small. We'll probably have to wait for the next design revision in two to three years before we'll see a Touch Bar with haptic feedback and a dust proof keyboard.
I'm not really bothered by the hardware in this year's model as much as I am the price. I'm mainly worried that they'll cut $100 or $150 off the price next year because pricing was such a hot issue these last two cycles.
The 2017 models also aren't HDR compliant, right?
(500 nits ain't enough to do HDR proper but I know they've enabled it on iPhones and iPads.)
The 2017 models also aren't HDR compliant, right?
(500 nits ain't enough to do HDR proper but I know they've enabled it on iPhones and iPads.)
This is great news for me ... I type quickly with all my fingers. But I cannot operate the number pad or the function key pad without looking.
I tried the 2017 v the 2105, and I tried to buy a refurbished 2015 2.8Hz 512GB with the 390 GPS card. But the system hung, I rang Apple, and the computer was gone. Then it came up again, I was on the phone with Apple, but the one I bought did not have the GPU. But there was a higher end 2017 model available elsewhere so ... I bought that.
After using both keyboards, I found my wrists were anchored, but were outside the large touch pad. That was a win for the newer machine. I also found the keys actually larger than the 2015. In fact the keys resembled a little my Macbook Air circa mid 2012. But its keys felt smaller, and so too the keyboard (although I think they might be close in size).
I didn't like the touch panel but after finding out I can touch I think the Option key, who knows it might be just fine.
The smaller size is a benefit, but the lack of ports annoys me. I'l have to handle that ... I've had to suffer before SCSI drives that cost much more, then Firewire drives that cost much more, then Firewire 2 drives that cost too much. At least most notebooks of any quality are coming out with Thunderboit / USBC 0 3.1 ports. I'll miss the lack of magnetic coupling for the power, but then, my wife's HP Elitebook charges with a USBC 3.1 charger. And the HP can only accept on of its ports for the USB charging - I think the Apple ports will all charge the notebook.
Unfortunately you only have two months to decide on extended warranty ... I doubt I'll do it. Because I'm Australian and Australian law should give me protection against a keyboard failure three years form now I reckon.
I was referring to the SSD improvement and GPU upgrade--both of which were actually rather noticeable. I stopped worrying about CPU clock a while ago. For day to day stuff, most of the differences just aren't that large.
Used the 2017 13” TB for about a week. Everything is awesome but...
- Underpowered for the price. I know it’s Intel’s fault but money is money and speed is speed. It’s barely 30% faster in compiling than my base model late 2013 13”. And more than double the price!!
- Physical Escape Key!!! The rest of the Touch Bar is fine
- USB-C ecosystem still have a long way to go
- Underpowered for the price. I know it’s Intel’s fault but money is money and speed is speed. It’s barely 30% faster in compiling than my base model late 2013 13”. And more than double the price!!
- Physical Escape Key!!! The rest of the Touch Bar is fine
- USB-C ecosystem still have a long way to go
I am also waiting MBP2018 possibly with bit more ram and new multicore processor. In the meanwhile I adopt the tactic to update my great Air 11 with new battery and a new bigger disk, the new transcend 820 sad I will order as available in swiss.. Keyboard on the new MBP will not so good as the one we are using now so I will also keep my old air for travelling and as spare one .. Truly I don't think I will sold it when the new MBP will come.
Upgrade is a good opt while waiting ...
Upgrade is a good opt while waiting ...
Oh for the day when Apple builds a MBP for people TODAY and not for the "future." One that doesn't require a new keyboard/top case every month, one that doesn't have an oversized trackpad, that doesn't require an assortment of adapters or new cables, that doesn't drain its undersized battery in an hour if you do more than watch video, that wasn't made for the sake of being thin, that can actually keep up technologically, that doesn't hugely overcharge for the performance on offer, that allows for more than 16 GB of RAM, that doesn't rip you off for storage or an extension cable for the charger (or for an additional charger, for that matter) or a slightly less weak GPU, and that doesn't distract you from work with the frippery called the touchbar.
Oh for the day . . .
Oh for the day . . .
I am also waiting MBP2018 possibly with bit more ram and new multicore processor. In the meanwhile I adopt the tactic to update my great Air 11 with new battery and a new bigger disk, the new transcend 820 sad I will order as available in swiss.. Keyboard on the new MBP will not so good as the one we are using now so I will also keep my old air for travelling and as spare one .. Truly I don't think I will sold it when the new MBP will come.
Upgrade is a good opt while waiting ...
Call me crazy. I can't stand the old mushy keyboards. I love the new low travel, stable and larger keys! Much less typing error with these low travel, stable and large keys!
Actually with USB-C, you can buy a charger for the macbook pro for a few bucks. Unlike the previous generations. USB-3.1 drives are also cheap. So USB-C / T3 has lowered costs down the track in actual fact.
65W USB-C charger for a few bucks? You sure? Even if it exists I probably won't risk the Mac, or my entire house over it.....