It is already an option on the 13" MacBook Pro. Why would it be out of the question for the 15" ?
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It is already an option on the 13" MacBook Pro. Why would it be out of the question for the 15" ?
I mean... let's face it. Apple can only put CPUs in their machine that exist. Apart from the new hexacore CPUs... this segment has been basically stagnant since 2011 with Sandy Bridge. Yes... there have been improvements... but nothing gigantic.
CPU power hasn't really been an issue, however.
But I am sure everyone will agree on this... and most professionals will also kinda need it by now... RAM.
It is simply ridiculous to have the same max RAM ceiling @ 16GB since 2011!
And I do NOT take any excuses there from Apple... like missing support for Low Power DDR4 etc.. Then don't make your device THAT thin and light to not be able to fit normal RAM. Heck the 2008 Unibody MBPs are thinner than basically ALL professional notebooks with an H-class CPU. The rMBP finally hit the ultimate sweet-spot. It got rid of the space eating ODD. Had all the ports one could ask for (which the new MBPs do not... as e.g. USB-C will NOT replace HDMI). The battery was big. AND they were already ridiculously thin... compared to PC notebooks with the same or similar components. If Apple really had to slim their notebooks even more... fine do it. But without compromising performance. At least... for the MacBook PRO! If that's not possible... then at least keep TWO lines. And offer MacBooks in different sizes... and MacBook Pros too. Had Apple done this... no one here would complain.
I, personally, refuse to buy another MacBook Pro, unless it is a significant upgrade to my 2011 machine. I'm not gonna pay ~€3500 to replace a quadcore CPU with a quadcore one. And 16GB RAM with 16GB RAM.
Because if anything they will be expanding it to the whole line, not offering more options without
The reason why other companies are following suit, is because they observe how people are willing to pay for thinner lighter beautifully designed laptops. It did not go unnoticed that apple continues to maintain or grow marketshare while others shrank, so they copied what was working
Currently I am a very happy owner of the MBP 15" Mid-12 with anti-glare screen.
My screen has been replaces 3 (!!) times for free since it had problems with the apple logo burn in and a full vertical pixel line in the screen. I feel very satisfied with the support Apple offered.
But.. Since the MBP is now 5,5 years old I don't expect them to repair it once more for free when problems will occur. Since it happened quite often I am afraid the chances are quite high it will happen any time soon again.
I am interested in buying a new MBP in the coming weeks / months. Based on update cycle expectations I think there is a good chance they will introduce a new model during the spring event. However I also hear some arguments saying a introduction during the July event are much more likely. What do you guys expect? An introduction during spring or summer?
My screen has been replaces 3 (!!) times for free since it had problems with the apple logo burn in and a full vertical pixel line in the screen. I feel very satisfied with the support Apple offered.
But.. Since the MBP is now 5,5 years old I don't expect them to repair it once more for free when problems will occur. Since it happened quite often I am afraid the chances are quite high it will happen any time soon again.
I am interested in buying a new MBP in the coming weeks / months. Based on update cycle expectations I think there is a good chance they will introduce a new model during the spring event. However I also hear some arguments saying a introduction during the July event are much more likely. What do you guys expect? An introduction during spring or summer?
Apple counters you with the iphoneX...is no longer as slim as the first iphone 6 was...and it has 2cell L shape battery..
it has the best battery for its form factor in the industry
So apple could make this for the upcoming MBP
BUt my question is, waiting for the 2018 model for a reason? it will have a nice bump? i mean there are any good rumours
about what the next 2018 MBP can it be?!
Geekbench already lists a nTB MBP with the i5-8250u, and the results are impressive!
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/5643385
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/5643385
I disagree. The current gen MBPs are the sweet spot. Portability has increased, especially for the 15 inch model. The problem is tech haven't caught up. It's a design they should've introduced a few years later, maybe in 2020. 16GB RAM is fine for most pro work. 32GB is for people who runs like 5 virtual machines and if you're gonna do that just get a desktop. You're right about USB-C not replacing HDMI. It will compliment HDMI, because you can run HDMI over alternative mode on USB-C. I agree about the price though. It's ridiculous. Maybe they need to charge it to cover the amount they spent on replacing the keyboards
i wonder if this is legit? if so, it is nice..and probably Apple will update the mb line up sooner than WWDC ?! or at WWDC, no later
I disagree. The current gen MBPs are the sweet spot. Portability has increased, especially for the 15 inch model. The problem is tech haven't caught up. It's a design they should've introduced a few years later, maybe in 2020. 16GB RAM is fine for most pro work. 32GB is for people who runs like 5 virtual machines and if you're gonna do that just get a desktop. You're right about USB-C not replacing HDMI. It will compliment HDMI, because you can run HDMI over alternative mode on USB-C. I agree about the price though. It's ridiculous. Maybe they need to charge it to cover the amount they spent on replacing the keyboards
C'mon... you invalidated your own comment. If the tech is NOT there yet... it cannot be the sweetspot. In an ideal world I also have a paper-thin MBP... with 1TB of MRAM or something like this. The sweet-spot is what combines EXISTING tech in the best for everyone package. And the MacBook Pro... is a PRO machine. No matter how you define Pro. And the Pro segment is defined by cutting edge technology. Granted, there are professional journalists, or professional whatever... that can get by with a MBA. Others cannot. Heck the trash can MBP with 12 Cores still eats most other Mac's lunch and dinner... still professionals are unhappy. Why? Because this they could have had 4 years ago. And tech moved on. The Mac Pro didn't.
It's 2011. I'm a Pro using FCPX for 1080p video. Quad Core with 16GB are fine.
It's 2017. I'm a Pro using FCPX for 4k video and VR content. Quad Core with 16GB are the absolut limit of what is still acceptable. Do I buy another machine with virtually the SAME specs? Heck no.
It's 2011. I'm a Pro using Aperture/Lightroom/Photoshop/InDesign for images and publications. Quad Core with 16GB are fine.
It's 2017. I'm a Pro using Aperture/Lightroom/Photoshop/InDesign for images and publications. Quad Core with 16GB are the absolut limit of what is still acceptable. Do I buy another machine with virtually the SAME specs? Heck no.
It's 2011. I'm a Pro using VMWare, Postgresql and other enterprise level software. Quad Core with 16GB are the minimum to run stuff effectively. But it's a notebook, I need to be mobile. This is as much as I get.
It's 2011. I'm a Pro using VMWare, Postgresql and other enterprise level software. I buy a PC notebook run Windows 10 and Linux on it... The PC is as thick as 2008era MBPs and comes with 64GB RAM(!!!). MBP... still stuck at 16GB.
I'm sorry if this post is mean or something. But comments like this are what makes Apple think what they are doing is the RIGHT thing. If you need an underpowered thin and light machine... it SHOULD exist. But this is the MacBook, or the MacBook Air. The Pro... should NOT be a 5kg behemoth like some PC notebooks. But then again... starting with the 2000era TiBook G4 Apple's Pro notebooks never were. And they were fine. Now... they merge Pro and consumer stuff more and more... annihilating the Pro segment in the process while only retaining "Pro" in name. THAT is the problem.
I'd guess it is a test unit at Apple's campus. The model identifier is the one of the current nTB MacBook Pro, so it seems like Apple is testing the new chips to see how they perform.
I also think the update is most likely to happen in March or April. That's when the 8th gen 28W and 45W Intel chips most probably will be readily available. So I don't see any reason why waiting until June would be an advantage.
That is total BS, and jeffreyfranz is actually 100% correct.
A desktop is NOT helpful for a lot of people, me included, that have to travel a lot, from customer to customer.
Also... apart from hating ThinkPads... Windows 10 is NOT cutting it. The problem here is basically the eco-system-lock. You need macOS... well... then the MBP is the only option. Just that the MBP... feels more like a MB recently.
A MacBook Pro with an HD 620... Well... honestly I don't know if I prefer the more powerful graphics (twice as fast) and have half the CPU cores... Hopefully 15W cannonlake chips will be ready for spring time.
Nobody would buy the 15 inch Touch Bar if it were optional....I mean, unless they really gimped the non TB version...
This...I got lucky with my 2012 rMBP and got it replaced for a 2017 with the battery upgrade program, and while this was awesome, I found ZERO performance increase with a 5 year newer laptop.
If I paid 3000 for this laptop I would have been super pissed. Definitely upgrading this machine as soon as hexacore and 32GB ram hits.
Exactly the industry has moved on, now offering very powerful notebook's that are more than portable enough, while Apple has gimped the MBP with it's obsession with producing pointlessly thinner devices, compromising usability & reliability for the sake of a more pleasing aesthetic...
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Do you think there will be a major price cut and will it be to the base model?
I still think this makes perfect sense, as the HD620 should still be plenty fast enough for playing back video and UI animations, but it's different enough to the higher end iGPUs that it differentiates the nTB MBP nicely from the TB model.
I'm pretty excited for CES though, because Intel might show us the 28W and 45W chips for the other MacBook Pros there, which will not only give us a clearer look at the possible timeframe for the release of the new MacBook Pros, but also at the iGPUs used in these chips. Maybe - just maybe - Intel is able to pull something off that goes above the Iris Plus 650, which would be great.
Since 2011 (Sandy Bridge CPU model) to today's 2017 models (Kaby Lake CPU) I'm finding that my Matlab performance almost doubled. Of course, part of the increased performance goes to software improvements (macOS and Matlab).
Here in Europe, Apple hardware was always expensive, but so are the new Microsoft Surface models. After trying a Surface Pro recently, I'm happy to be back to Apple hardware and macOS, even if I refuse to upgrade to High Sierra and APFS. Sierra works still very well for me.
Perhaps a minor price cut to the existing configurations (in the range of $100) and quite likely a 15” option at the $1,999 price point with iGPU. Hopefully they might continue to sell the 2015 model at ~$1,799 which would be a welcome concession to non power users who prefer a larger screen option.
So in March event could happen to announce the new Macbook line up, the new iPhone X colour that brown or whatever and the new iPhone 6.1" LCD (that replace the SE)
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I don't think it will take that long. The CPUs should be available in just a few months (we'll probably get dates at CES), and it will only be a spec update, no reason to wait for a press conference. A silent update would do the trick. And if they want a little bit more press, a march press conference wouldn't be out of the ordinary. WWDC Mac hardware releases aren't the norm anyway.