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-Macbook Pro 13'' dual core with quad core option
-Macbook Pro 15'' quad core 15'' with hexcore option, Vega gpus

I can't see Apple offering dual core 13" / quad core 15" models next year. ALL currently available 15W 8th gen Intel chips are quad core, so it's fair to assume that the 28W ones will have at least four cores too. And while some PC OEMs do still offer dual core options by putting in a 7th gen CPU in the entry level model, we're talking models in the €500 price range here - it would feel a little too much like a ripoff in a €1450 notebook. Same for the 15" and its 45W chips - although I could see Apple offering an entry level model with a 28W CPU and no dedicated GPU at a lower price point.
 
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I can't see Apple offering dual core 13" / quad core 15" models next year. ALL currently available 15W 8th gen Intel chips are quad core, so it's fair to assume that the 28W ones will have at least four cores too. And while some PC OEMs do still offer dual core options by putting in a 7th gen CPU in the entry level model, we're talking models in the €500 price range here - it would feel a little too much like a ripoff in a €1450 notebook. Same for the 15" and its 45W chips - although I could see Apple offering an entry level model with a 28W CPU and no dedicated GPU at a lower price point.

I totally can. Apple will do what's best for Apple, **** the customer's that's how monopolies roll. Apple has done this over and over. Apple will just do what it does now, cherry pick the specs, and dumb the rest down, with the vast majority of it's customers remaining oblivious.

Said before days of Apple producing the best notebook is can are long gone, Apple is into selling as many units as possible, at the highest margin, all wrapped up in the worlds best sales and marketing spin.

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I totally can. Apple will do what's best for Apple, **** the customer's that's how monopolies roll. Apple has done this over and over. Apple will just do what it does now, cherry pick the specs, and dumb the rest down, with the vast majority of it's customers remaining oblivious.

Said before days of Apple producing the best notebook is can are long gone, Apple is into selling as many units as possible, at the highest margin, all wrapped up in the worlds best sales and marketing spin.

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I'm thinking of the 13 nTB getting dual and the TB getting quad, with the cheaper 15' being quad and more expensive 15' being hex.
 
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I don't think so. Using last-generation chips (which cost almost the same as the new ones) makes the MacBook Pro even less compelling when compared to some higher end Windows notebooks, which - in this price class - all use the new chips. Worrying about cannibalizing your own products never is a good strategy. Also, the Touch Bar MacBook Pro will probably be differentiated enough power wise by using a more powerful integrated graphics compared to the UHD620 the nTB model will probably utilize.

With the 15" MBP it's a little different, since they could use a lower TDP but current generation quad core chip in an entry level model. Since a lot of people seem to want the 15" form factor but don't necessarily need too much power, this could be a compelling model, giving much longer battery life and a cheaper price of entry (mainly due to the lack of dedicated GPU).

Yes, Apple will do whatever it thinks makes the highest profits, but that doesn't mean they'll try to build the worst product possible - that's usually not the best way to increase sales.
 
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i wonder if they use in the 13" the dual core instead quad core, is for battery life? same question for the 15" quad core instead of hex?!
 
Think the point is missed, Apple's target audience wont be so specific on specifications, we are here as enthusiasts. Nor do I see Apple changing it's strategy with the 15" MBP I do agree that many want the form factor without the cost of the faster silicon, however as Apple have always compelled customers to "buy up" it's unlikely to change it's strategy in 2018.

Issue with the 15" MBP is as ever thermal headroom Apple puts form over function and does a very good job, equally even Apple is not able to change the laws of thermodynamics. High performance Windows/Linux based notebooks are in general larger with higher capacity cooling solutions for good reason, not due to the design teams being incapable, rather more working within prescribed limits to prevent thermal throttling...

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i wonder if they use in the 13" the dual core instead quad core, is for battery life? same question for the 15" quad core instead of hex?!

Nope for the 13". Intel's 8th gen quad-core chips are available with an 15W TDP, so in theory, energy drain is similar to the previous dual-core chips. In practice, tests seem to indicate that battery life even is a little better in some typical use cases.

For the 15", it's a little different, since there are obviously 15W quad-core chips available now, but hexa-core chips will probably start at 45W. I'm not sure if Apple thinks giving the entry level model a far longer battery life is a wise decision though.


Think the point is missed, Apple's target audience wont be so specific on specifications, we are here as enthusiasts. Nor do I see Apple changing it's strategy with the 15" MBP I do agree that many want the form factor without the cost of the faster silicon, however as Apple have always compelled customers to "buy up" it's unlikely to change it's strategy in 2018.

Issue with the 15" MBP is as ever thermal headroom Apple puts form over function and does a very good job, equally even Apple is not able to change the laws of thermodynamics. High performance Windows/Linux based notebooks are in general larger with higher capacity cooling solutions for good reason, not due to the design teams being incapable, rather more working within prescribed limits to prevent thermal throttling...

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The thermal design of the current MacBook Pros is pretty good, actually. They 15" can run a 45W H-series Intel CPU and a 35W GPU at high workloads without throttling at all. The 13" Touch Bar model can keep the turbo boost frequenzies longer than most competing notebooks.

Also, "Apple's target audience won't be so specific on specifications" - are you serious? Getting the most power possible on a portable macOS based computer is the reason to get a MacBook Pro, and even more specific, it's the only reason some of us are waiting for the next update.
 
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The thermal design of the current MacBook Pros is pretty good, actually. They 15" can run a 45W H-series Intel CPU and a 35W GPU at high workloads without throttling at all. The 13" Touch Bar model can keep the turbo boost frequenzies longer than most competing notebooks.

Also, "Apple's target audience won't be so specific on specifications" - are you serious? Getting the most power possible on a portable macOS based computer is the reason to get a MacBook Pro, and even more specific, it's the only reason some of us are waiting for the next update.

"some of us" being the operative term, Apple is producing thin & light portables with an emphasis on design, not "power houses". The rest variable as some seem to have issue related to the thermal design, some don't, however undoubtedly the 2016 design is far superior in this respect than it's predecessor's.

For those that want to see if...
On MR - automated tool to reveal throttling and overheating github

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WWDC (June 2018)

All lineup MacBook refresh
-Macbook Air dropped
-Macbook spec refresh
-Macbook Pro 13'' dual core with quad core option
-Macbook Pro 15'' quad core 15'' with hexcore option, Vega gpus
iMac refresh 21'' quadcore/4K default, 27'' hexcore/5K default+Vega gpus, SSDs default
Mac mini refresh
Software previews
When does the new Intel chipset come out? That will dictate the MBP's release schedule Plus iMacs are typically updated in the fall. Having both updated at the same times doesn't make sense from a supply chain perspective. Staggering them is more likely so we'll probably see something the in fall for the iMac.

What will it be, Coffee Lake or Cannon Lake? I'm confused about which it will be
 
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"some of us" being the operative term, Apple is producing thin & light portables with an emphasis on design, not "power houses".

As far as I see it, Apple tries to find the perfect compromise between power and portability, and they excel at it. Cost also doesn't seem to be the main consideration, seeing as they use what have to be the most expensive SSD NAND chips and four of the most expensive ports. So, what's the point in putting in a last generation dual core chip that's actually draining more power than the current generation quad core ones? It makes sense when selling a €600 Windows notebook and you want to up sell your customers to the €800 model, but when starting at €1450, this simply is not an option you should consider.

When does the new Intel chipset come out? That will dictate the MBP's release schedule Plus iMacs are typically updated in the fall. Having both updated at the same times doesn't make sense from a supply chain perspective. Staggering them is more likely so we'll probably see something the in fall for the iMac.

What will it be, Coffee Lake or Cannon Lake? I'm confused about which it will be

Intel's 8th gen CPUs will consist of Kaby Lake Refresh, Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake. It won't really matter though, as the efficiency of all currently released 8th gen chips seems to be in line with what we would expect - more cores, same TDP.

Since the 15W 8th gen chips are already release for a few months, the CES in early January is a fair bet for the rest of the chips. First notebooks using the higher TDP chips should start shipping in February, so Apple could release the new MacBook Pros at any point then.

Waiting until fall sounds like an incredibly bad idea, since the 9th gen chips should be available shortly after that, making the MBPs outdated right from the start.
 
As far as I see it, Apple tries to find the perfect compromise between power and portability, and they excel at it. Cost also doesn't seem to be the main consideration, seeing as they use what have to be the most expensive SSD NAND chips and four of the most expensive ports. So, what's the point in putting in a last generation dual core chip that's actually draining more power than the current generation quad core ones? It makes sense when selling a €600 Windows notebook and you want to up sell your customers to the €800 model, but when starting at €1450, this simply is not an option you should consider.

Apple doesn't care as people will still continue buy the MBP with aged tech, as they have done exactly the same previously as there is no other option. Apple will only move to quad core CPU's if it's in Apple's benefit not the customers. Just look at the present line up, Apple's only moving on the iMac Pro & Mac Pro now as it's been getting so much negative coverage in the tech press, let alone the Mac Mini, just a joke.

Apple's best customer is the uninformed, looking to purchase a lifestyle product, with Apple delivering form over function, usability & scalability. Who's to blame it's where the money is thin & light, cool & trendy notebooks...

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Apple doesn't care as people will still continue buy the MBP with aged tech, as they have done exactly the same previously as there is no other option. Apple will only move to quad core CPU's if it's in Apple's benefit not the customers. Just look at the present line up, Apple's only moving on the iMac Pro & Mac Pro now as it's been getting so much negative coverage in the tech press, let alone the Mac Mini, just a joke.

Apple's best customer is the uninformed, looking to purchase a lifestyle product, with Apple delivering form over function, usability & scalability. Who's to blame it's where the money is thin & light, cool & trendy notebooks...

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Not trying to start an argument, but sorry, that's just bull****.

If you know just the slightest bit about computer technology, you'd see that Apple tries really hard to produce the best products possible. And in many ways, they excel at doing so. And yes, that's the key to Apple's success. Regardless of what many people seem to think, most people I know of are buying Apple computers not because they don't know better, but because they provide them with a product that hits the sweet spot between usability and performance.

To come back to your point -- "Apple will only move to quad core CPUs if it's in Apple's benefit, not the customers". So, increased sales don't benefit Apple? The old dual core CPUs are just as expensive and use just as much energy, and the result is a computer that's far less compelling.

The Mac Pro was an amazing machine back when it launched. I remember watching the keynote and reading through the specs multiple times. I was truly amazed how they managed to cram in a Xeon chip and two (!) workstation GPUs in an enclosure so small, with a fan that's almost silent. Sure, the bet didn't pay off. GPU optimization didn't take off the way Apple expected, so they started working on a new machine. That work did take some time, but as we already know, we'll see Apple's next vision on the professional desktop computer soon. So, in what world was that "Apple's benefit not the customers"? Again, do you think Apple would not have benefitted from better sales? They had a vision, pushed forward with it, and failed. This happens. But they were brave enough to do it, and I think that's a great trait of a company.

Form over function is another topic where I can't agree with you. With a notebook, the form is the function - since the form is what defines how portable it is. And portability is indeed a function of a portable computer, if not the most important one. The touchpad, keyboard, screen and thermal design are great compared to anything else out there. When you can easily cool an H-series CPU and a dedicated, specially designed GPU without throttling, I fail to see the point.

Don't get me wrong, I do see some areas where they could improve. A larger battery and lower weight are two of the main areas I'd love to see improvements. But I just love the compromise Apple has found between portability and power. If you want a mobile workstation, you're obviously not the target audience the MBP has been designed for. Maybe Apple will build a workstation notebook at some point, maybe they won't, but please don't blame a product for not being in the product category you want to buy a product in.
 
Not trying to start an argument, but sorry, that's just bull****.
I've been using Apple products for over 30 years, and I agree with Queen6.

When you say things like, "So, increased sales don't benefit Apple?" it suggests you don't understand the core economic principle behind business: namely, profit maximization, which may (or may not) occur via increased sales. I don't know the economics of the bulk costs of the old CPUs versus the upcoming new ones, so if you want to link to those, that's great. But it doesn't have anything to do with the larger argument that Apple does not and has not historically "trie[d] really hard to produce the best products possible" as you claimed.

Old processors can sit around for months and months without being replaced. The laptop graphics cards have been nothing short of a joke for a very long time now.

Also, when you say, "most people I know of are buying Apple computers not because they don't know better, but because they provide them with a product that hits the sweet spot between usability and performance," that's not really an argument. That's a set of very limited anecdotes. People often upgrade because they need to. That does not necessarily that the new product is excellent. I for one am not a fan of the current MacBook Pro.

You aren't gonna agree with Queen6 and I. That's fine. But starting off calling his opinions "bull***" is uncool and unjustified when you then write a long post with your own opinions.
 
I've been using Apple products for over 30 years, and I agree with Queen6.

When you say things like, "So, increased sales don't benefit Apple?" it suggests you don't understand the core economic principle behind business: namely, profit maximization, which may (or may not) occur via increased sales. I don't know the economics of the bulk costs of the old CPUs versus the upcoming new ones, so if you want to link to those, that's great. But it doesn't have anything to do with the larger argument that Apple does not and has not historically "trie[d] really hard to produce the best products possible" as you claimed.

Old processors can sit around for months and months without being replaced. The laptop graphics cards have been nothing short of a joke for a very long time now.

Also, when you say, "most people I know of are buying Apple computers not because they don't know better, but because they provide them with a product that hits the sweet spot between usability and performance," that's not really an argument. That's a set of very limited anecdotes. People often upgrade because they need to. That does not necessarily that the new product is excellent. I for one am not a fan of the current MacBook Pro.

You aren't gonna agree with Queen6 and I. That's fine. But starting off calling his opinions "bull***" is uncool and unjustified when you then write a long post with your own opinions.

Fair point, and I agree that we should keep the discussion as nice as possible. Sorry for my choice of words there.

To your points:

Intel actually lists the bulk prices of CPUs on their ark website. If you compare the price for both Core i5 CPUs suitable for the entry level non Touch Bar MacBook Pro, the newer quad core chip is actually cheaper. Sure, Intel might give a discount on huge orders of their older chips, but as far as we know, the standard bulk price is higher, everything else is speculation.

https://ark.intel.com/products/97535/Intel-Core-i5-7360U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_60-GHz
https://ark.intel.com/products/124967/Intel-Core-i5-8250U-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz

Also, you're right with your point about profit maximization. However, selling more units of a notebook while increasing the price is almost certainly more profitable than selling less units. And one of the best ways to sell more units is by building a product more people want. That does not have to be a better product (think of Windows 1.0 vs Mac OS), but it doesn't hurt if the product feels like good value.

Back to the GPUs Apple uses: The Radeon Pro 460 actually was an amazing GPU, considering its efficiency at a 35W TDP. NVidia actually didn't offer anything more powerful anywhere close to that TDP. Sure, the point stands that they could have made the notebook thicker and heavier to provide headroom for a more powerful TDP, but would that make a better product? For most people, I'd argue no. If you actually need a super fast GPU for apps that support it, that's obviously a drawback for you, but counting the number of apps that actually benefit from a faster GPU, that cannot be the majority of users.

And okay, I'll not bring up any anecdotes here, but generally saying "People buy the MBP no matter what Apple does" is anecdotal too. A lot of people actually like the current MacBook Pros, including me.
 
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I've been using Apple products for over 30 years, and I agree with Queen6.

When you say things like, "So, increased sales don't benefit Apple?" it suggests you don't understand the core economic principle behind business: namely, profit maximization, which may (or may not) occur via increased sales. I don't know the economics of the bulk costs of the old CPUs versus the upcoming new ones, so if you want to link to those, that's great. But it doesn't have anything to do with the larger argument that Apple does not and has not historically "trie[d] really hard to produce the best products possible" as you claimed.

Old processors can sit around for months and months without being replaced. The laptop graphics cards have been nothing short of a joke for a very long time now.

Also, when you say, "most people I know of are buying Apple computers not because they don't know better, but because they provide them with a product that hits the sweet spot between usability and performance," that's not really an argument. That's a set of very limited anecdotes. People often upgrade because they need to. That does not necessarily that the new product is excellent. I for one am not a fan of the current MacBook Pro.

You aren't gonna agree with Queen6 and I. That's fine. But starting off calling his opinions "bull***" is uncool and unjustified when you then write a long post with your own opinions.

Not willing to go deeper with him, will only end up war of words, as the insults are already flying. Apple is extremely smart and knows exactly what it's doing. In effect Apple is selling a highly polished user experience engineered for the average user, for that you don't need to offer the latest and greatest with Apple being on this path for some years now.

The best thing Apple currently sells is Apple to the mainstream consumer. Much of the vocal content in recent years has come from the professional user base, as we rightly believe that Apple has fallen far behind. Want a powerful GPU in a MackBook Pro, you'll need an eGPU which was a great idea several years ago when mobile GPU's were weak and very far from their desktop counterparts. Spin forwarded to the end of 2017 a very different story with the significant advancements in GPU technology.

I do believe that Apple is waking up to it's professional audience, although I tend to question it's motives. Apple has been under tremendous pressure from the tech press and professional's alike for several years. Apple desperately needs the affirmation of both groups to push and raise the profile of it's somewhat mediocre mainstream offerings, making it's average users feel like Pro's. Apple is now once again launching high profile impressively high end hardware, however yet again with extremely limited scalability.

Many will be keenly watching Apple and the iMac pro/Mac Pro, as the same leadership has done this previously, only to allow the Mac line as a whole to wither. We currently have absolutely no guarantees Apple will not "rinse, wash & repeat" leaving many high and dry once again. Trust is fragile, once broken most are not going to be looking for more of the same. As ever monopolies rarely serve the customer, with Apple taking full advantage of it's position in every respect...

Back to the case in point Apple will only shift to 8th Gen processors when Apple see's a direct benefit for itself. Potentially as other users have suggested Apple will use this as a "sell up" more cores, more $$$$ :p All at a very generous margin which at the close of 2017 is indeed a very Apple like paradigm.

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My wish list for 2018 Macbook Pro:

  • Smaller touchpad so my palm won't rest on top of it while typing
  • Much more travel on keyboard
  • USB A ports
  • Magsafe
  • Twice the battery life
  • Starting processor has 4 real cores
  • More ports on non-TB version
This is a list of what they should have spent their 4+ years of R&D on.
 
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My wish list for 2018 Macbook Pro:

  • Smaller touchpad so my palm won't rest on top of it while typing
  • Much more travel on keyboard
  • USB A ports
  • Magsafe
  • Twice the battery life
  • Starting processor has 4 real cores
  • More ports on non-TB version
  • I have no idea why Apple made such a humongous touchpad in the first place :confused:
  • I'm less concerned about the key travel, but rather the faulty mechanism that they employ

Here's my wish list - pick it apart if you wish :p

  • Smaller touchpad
  • Return of the scissor switch keyboard (dump the current keyboard)
  • Option to exclude the touchbar
  • Magsafe type quick disconnect. Ok, so maybe not an actual port, but maybe redesign of the power cable so as not to wreck my laptop

My wish list is really small, I am in the market for a new laptop and the only thing stopping me right now is the keyboard.
 
Not willing to go deeper with him, will only end up war of words, as the insults are already flying. Apple is extremely smart and knows exactly what it's doing.

Don't worry, I don't plan to insult anyone. Sorry again for the opening line there.

I just don't see any world where Apple could up sell more cores without getting backfire which would hurt sales to a point where they'd lose tons of profit. I already posted links to the CPUs in question in my previous post, I just don't see it happening.

Also, we already had the discussion of what "professional users" are and want. Without going too deep again, sure, the MacBook Pro might currently not offer what you need, but it sure fits the needs of lots of professionals out there. I'm not wanting to go anecdotal again here, so if you have any statistics, I'd love to see them, but the only statistics I've seen are about great sales numbers, which seems to point in a direction where the MBP fulfill the needs of a lot of people.
 
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  • I have no idea why Apple made such a humongous touchpad in the first place :confused:
  • I'm less concerned about the key travel, but rather the faulty mechanism that they employ
Here's my wish list - pick it apart if you wish :p

  • Smaller touchpad
  • Return of the scissor switch keyboard (dump the current keyboard)
  • Option to exclude the touchbar
  • Magsafe type quick disconnect. Ok, so maybe not an actual port, but maybe redesign of the power cable so as not to wreck my laptop

My wish list is really small, I am in the market for a new laptop and the only thing stopping me right now is the keyboard.

I'm ok with the current macbook actually.
  • Large touchpad is really good for me actually. I use the touchpad all the time and the old touchpad feels small now. Palm rejection's ok so no problems there.
  • I actually like the current keyboard. The click is nice, but they could definitely add more travel and improve reliability. My opinion is that won't come until the next redesign though.
  • Apple won't admit their mistakes. The touchbar isn't worse in anyway, but isn't better. I'd like it if they add heptic feedback.
  • I'm willing to sacrifice magsafe with USB C since it's a non proprietary standard, but if they somehow maintained the standard and added magsafe functionality then by all means count me in.
 
Don't worry, I don't plan to insult anyone. Sorry again for the opening line there.

I just don't see any world where Apple could up sell more cores without getting backfire which would hurt sales to a point where they'd lose tons of profit. I already posted links to the CPUs in question in my previous post, I just don't see it happening.

Also, we already had the discussion of what "professional users" are and want. Without going too deep again, sure, the MacBook Pro might currently not offer what you need, but it sure fits the needs of lots of professionals out there. I'm not wanting to go anecdotal again here, so if you have any statistics, I'd love to see them, but the only statistics I've seen are about great sales numbers, which seems to point in a direction where the MBP fulfill the needs of a lot of people.

No problem, it can get heated from time to time :) equally I don't want be in a circular argument where neither sees the others point of view, without further ado.

I believe it would be easy for Apple to spit the upcoming 8th Gen CPU's by core count as Apple has done much the same in the past with GPU's 15" MBP lower tier offered solely iGPU, higher Tier both iGPU & dGPU. Effectively forcing an up sell or an in-house upgrade at Apple's inflated price point.

"Professional's and their Hardware" One could literally create a thread on this subject and it would run for eons. Defining a professional is fairly straight forward, defining professional hardware not so much, as the needs of the user dictate the level of hardware employed. Even myself I range from ultra portable's to desktop replacements dependant on the need.

Ultimately we can only speak from our own experience's and observations. For me I see a decline in the use of the Mac, similar to John123 & myself these are long term users, mostly professionals echoing similar concerns; keyboard, OS stability, ports, trackpad, Touch Bar, some the reduced battery capacity is a factor. I myself have been surprised by some who switched platforms, as some were surprised I did. Personally I only see more making the move as they are currently "sat on the fence". Apple will one hopes eventually resolve the keyboard reliability, however the other perceived issues are hardly likely to addressed. So those "sitting" will be compelled to move sooner or later as their current hardware becomes less viable.

I have little doubt that Apple is doing very well with the MBP, equally I do wonder who's buying as I have hardly seen any, of the new design MBP's and I travel extensively (Asia & Europe). My own experience is no one I know is using the new design MBP in a professional role, all who have tried have either returned or moved the notebooks on. Overall the general consensus is one of being unimpressed, nor caring for needless complications for the sake of the aesthetic...

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Don't worry, I don't plan to insult anyone. Sorry again for the opening line there.

I just don't see any world where Apple could up sell more cores without getting backfire which would hurt sales to a point where they'd lose tons of profit. I already posted links to the CPUs in question in my previous post, I just don't see it happening.

Also, we already had the discussion of what "professional users" are and want. Without going too deep again, sure, the MacBook Pro might currently not offer what you need, but it sure fits the needs of lots of professionals out there. I'm not wanting to go anecdotal again here, so if you have any statistics, I'd love to see them, but the only statistics I've seen are about great sales numbers, which seems to point in a direction where the MBP fulfill the needs of a lot of people.

We all know many people have different needs, and a minority need more power than offered by the current range and really do not expect anything to change much. The only solution for my professional work is to either go the egpu route or ditch Apple completely.
I dont want to, but the latter is becoming increasingly likely as I keep spending money hoping the solution is there with Apple, but it isnt.

I do believe though that the current MBP is a great machine that satisfies a lot of people and their use. It is just a shame that they don't deliver for people like me, and also colleagues who I also know are seriously considering leaving Apple [all Mac fans]. The Apple notebooks used to deliver but now are for the middle ground.

Its ok, just the way it is and is a sensible approach by Apple.
 
  • I have no idea why Apple made such a humongous touchpad in the first place :confused:
  • I'm less concerned about the key travel, but rather the faulty mechanism that they employ
Here's my wish list - pick it apart if you wish :p

  • Smaller touchpad
  • Return of the scissor switch keyboard (dump the current keyboard)
  • Option to exclude the touchbar
  • Magsafe type quick disconnect. Ok, so maybe not an actual port, but maybe redesign of the power cable so as not to wreck my laptop

My wish list is really small, I am in the market for a new laptop and the only thing stopping me right now is the keyboard.
The only thing I think is completely out of the question here is making the touch bar optional - perhaps they will do a 180 and dump it altogether, but I don't see them making two versions of all their laptops to provide this choice, it's already a niche enough feature as is.
 
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First leak of a 6 core 45W Intel chip. Looks like chances for a spring update improve.

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Core-...echs-Kernen-taucht-in-CPU-Z-auf.272920.0.html

Also, Samsung just announced their new Notebook 9 - 13.3“, similar thickness to the MBP, 965 grams and a 75 Wh battery. Come on Apple, make that 13“ MBP lighter and give it a larger battery!
Disagree on one point. The obsession with slimness, lightness and form factor has subtracted a good deal of utility from many laptops--and the charge has been led by our beloved Apple. What happened to, "form follows function"?
 
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