I guess this makes sense. I have pretty small fingers and honestly i've never had any problems with the size of the trackpad. But i've also seen a lot of people buying the new MBP claiming they'll use it with a regular mouse because they can't stand trackpads (users coming from windows mostly). Won't deny the fact almost every laptop has a crappy trackpad, but that is far from the MBP's and seeing that new customers don't even wanna give it a chance, i don't see why they felt the need to make it so big. Like people who were upgrading from older MBP's were happy with their trackpads, otherwise they wouldn't keep buying or would just get an external mouse.
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I guess this makes sense. I have pretty small fingers and honestly i've never had any problems with the size of the trackpad. But i've also seen a lot of people buying the new MBP claiming they'll use it with a regular mouse because they can't stand trackpads (users coming from windows mostly). Won't deny the fact almost every laptop has a crappy trackpad, but that is far from the MBP's and seeing that new customers don't even wanna give it a chance, i don't see why they felt the need to make it so big. Like people who were upgrading from older MBP's were happy with their trackpads, otherwise they wouldn't keep buying or would just get an external mouse.
The trackpad is an abomination. Far too large, which results in a variety of issues because the palm rejection doesn't work well enough.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect any upgrades besides the new 8th gen Intel chips and maybe new GPUs either.
Also, to all the people claiming the GPUs Apple uses are incredibly bad: They're not. It's mostly the opposite, actually.
The 13" MacBook Pro comes with Intel Iris Pro iGPUs, and will probably continue to do so in the next version (at least the Touch Bar model with it's 28W chips). This is a huge step beyond the HD620 which most of the competition, including the Dell XPS 13 and the Razer Blade Stealth, offer. And it's actually comparable to AMD's integrated Vega 10 chip in their new Ryzen Mobile CPUs. Now the Surface Book 2 comes with a GTX1050, but that one is a much thicker device.
The 15" MacBook Pro is in a similar position. The Radeon Pro GPUs are now a little bit dated, with the 500 series only being a very slight improvement over the 400 series, so essentially, we're looking at chips from 2016 here. And they still can hold up in performance per watt, even to NVidias newer Max-Q GPUs. Is a GTX 1060 more powerful? Yes, but it also consumes twice the power of AMDs Radeon Pro 560. Actually, AMD did a great job here.
And I have to say, going with a more powerful CPU and the less powerful GPU is most probably the right choice for most users. Pretty much every user can benefit from a more powerful CPU. But what exactly do you need the GPU for? The Radeon Pro 560 does great in GPU acceleration for photo and video editing. It's in my experience also sufficient for working previews in 3D rendering software (the actual rendering process should be done on a desktop render machine or external render farm anyway, there's simply no way of matching a double Titan and Xeon setup in a notebook). This leaves gaming as a use case for the GPU - but the MacBook Pro is not a gaming machine, and it never was.
Also, there's the option to add a lot of GPU power by connecting an external GPU via Thunderbolt. There is, however, no way to increase CPU power with expansion devices. That's one more reason why the call for a stronger CPU and weaker GPU is a good one in my opinion.
Can't we have both, a GTX1060 and a six core 45W H-series CPU? Sure, if you want to add 35W to the TDP and thous make the notebook quite a bit thicker and heaver. That's not what most users want from a portable computer.
--> Please note that this post obviously states my own opinion, and I'm more than open to discuss any points I brought up. After all, that's what this forum is for.
Also, to all the people claiming the GPUs Apple uses are incredibly bad: They're not. It's mostly the opposite, actually.
The 13" MacBook Pro comes with Intel Iris Pro iGPUs, and will probably continue to do so in the next version (at least the Touch Bar model with it's 28W chips). This is a huge step beyond the HD620 which most of the competition, including the Dell XPS 13 and the Razer Blade Stealth, offer. And it's actually comparable to AMD's integrated Vega 10 chip in their new Ryzen Mobile CPUs. Now the Surface Book 2 comes with a GTX1050, but that one is a much thicker device.
The 15" MacBook Pro is in a similar position. The Radeon Pro GPUs are now a little bit dated, with the 500 series only being a very slight improvement over the 400 series, so essentially, we're looking at chips from 2016 here. And they still can hold up in performance per watt, even to NVidias newer Max-Q GPUs. Is a GTX 1060 more powerful? Yes, but it also consumes twice the power of AMDs Radeon Pro 560. Actually, AMD did a great job here.
And I have to say, going with a more powerful CPU and the less powerful GPU is most probably the right choice for most users. Pretty much every user can benefit from a more powerful CPU. But what exactly do you need the GPU for? The Radeon Pro 560 does great in GPU acceleration for photo and video editing. It's in my experience also sufficient for working previews in 3D rendering software (the actual rendering process should be done on a desktop render machine or external render farm anyway, there's simply no way of matching a double Titan and Xeon setup in a notebook). This leaves gaming as a use case for the GPU - but the MacBook Pro is not a gaming machine, and it never was.
Also, there's the option to add a lot of GPU power by connecting an external GPU via Thunderbolt. There is, however, no way to increase CPU power with expansion devices. That's one more reason why the call for a stronger CPU and weaker GPU is a good one in my opinion.
Can't we have both, a GTX1060 and a six core 45W H-series CPU? Sure, if you want to add 35W to the TDP and thous make the notebook quite a bit thicker and heaver. That's not what most users want from a portable computer.
--> Please note that this post obviously states my own opinion, and I'm more than open to discuss any points I brought up. After all, that's what this forum is for.
Most web browsers are GPU-accelerated for one. Most modern videogames will tax the GPU far more than the CPU. Some things like basic modeling, a la Google SketchUp, is GPU accelerated. As far as relative performance bottlenecks, it tends to be the GPU that is lacking. The eGPU solution is an interesting one, but even for Apple, it's limited to developer use. I'd buy a Sonnet if it weren't for the fact that none of my machines have TB3, heh. I've been teetering on the edge of a loaded iMac 27, iMac pro, or MBP + eGPU. I'd really like the MBP with eGPU solution to be what works, but Apple has made so many sacrifices to so many things (which I found so incredibly useful) that part of me wants to defect from Apple in protest of their (in my opinion) asinine designs. The problem is, since I made the switch, I've got a few hundred albums in ALAC and I've become comfortable with iOS.
So if a user like me jumps ship, it's likely that my entire household will be all PC until one of the PC makers/Google/etc makes enough poor decisions to make me want to switch back.
apple hardly changes the design so often. looking the last gen design, also used for 4 years before major changes.
I wish Apple drops the bezels and moves to 14“ and 16“ for the MBP with more or less same dimensions
That would definitely be an improvement, 13" is quite restrictive as a screen size, and the smaller chassis also limits the internals... for a 14" machine, even a compact one, they might just be able to shoehorn an MX150 or the like in there for a bit more oomph.
Tbh - IF Apple stays on this 4 year chassis / design upgrade cycle I assume 2020.
I wonder if the rumour of a 14” MacBook is going to turn out true, if so it might bridge the gap even further between the MacBook Pro and the MacBook.
I feel like the apple community should just kickstart the perfect hackintosh laptop. Just show it running finder in all the promo material and don't mention apple or osx at all.
14" 16" hexi7 no touchbar replacable ram etc etc etc.
14" 16" hexi7 no touchbar replacable ram etc etc etc.
Because that won’t infringe on anything AT ALL.
Ship it with ubuntu. Why not? What people do with a laptop after they've bought it is their business.
I wonder what Apple will do in June 2018 if Canonlake was not released by then? they will upgrade the 13 inch version only? or keep the old processors int the 15 inch model like they did before?
I have actually never seen any rumor saying that Apple is working on a 14“ version. I just wish for the 2 sizes 14 and 16
I think the original rumour came from Ming-Chi Kuo, It might be a good idea on Apple’s part in order to bridge the gap between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro. Personally I will probably end up getting a MacBook Pro when Apple update them later this year, the reason being I use Final Cut Pro X more and more just lately.
Hello!!!
I wanted to ask you a question
do you think that this new pro macbook that is coming will have a good performance with programs like solidworks or catia v5?
they are 3D modeling programs.
In September of 2017 my father gave me a macbook pro 13 "with touch bar,
Intel core i5 dual core at 3.1 GHz with turbo boost 3.5 GHz
(GB of SDRAM LPDDR3 memory
256 GB SSD
Intel IRis Plus Graphics 650
In the store they recommended that configuration using technical draftsman and my father wanted to give me a surprise.
I am a windows user and it took a while to get used to the new operating system, but I spent a lot of time trying to find the best way to use solidworks and catia V5 installing windows with parallels and then with bootcamp and in neither of the two methods good results when executing these programs. So I took the decision to sell it since it could not be returned for having spent a month of use, I managed to sell it for 1800 euros I was very lucky.
But the feeling that I am left was of nostalgia since the computer I loved (thin, light and very beautiful).
I have been searching in other brands for the best ultrabook that can work well with these programs (RAZER BLADE STEEL, DELL XPS 15, SURFACE BOOK 2, HP ZBOOK STUDIO G4, LENOVO THINKINPAD P51 ETC) but all have a drawback that makes me keep looking.
I know that if my father is advised in the store the MBP 15 with 16 GB of ram and the radeon pro 560 maybe I would have done better with those drawing programs, but I want to be sure that I make a good purchase since I do not I want to sell again a MBP, which is much more expensive here in Spain.
I've read that you can get a MBP with 32GB of ram and maybe with a better graphic.
Do you think it's worth waiting?
Greetings.
Intel launches 8th Gen Core Processor with Radeon RX Vega graphics
The TDP for these processors seem to be at 65W and 100W. Out of question for 13'' but possible for 15'' since that model is at 80W CPU and GPU combined.
The TDP for these processors seem to be at 65W and 100W. Out of question for 13'' but possible for 15'' since that model is at 80W CPU and GPU combined.
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I can definitely see apple getting better binned versions — but personally would still rather see them have hexacore options in 15"
I'm sorry if this question has already been asked, but when is the earliest we could see a refreshed MacBook Pro?
March - April time at the earliest, October at the latest and WWDC would also be a possibility since that’s when they last updated them. If Apple hold a March or April event then it’s likely they will update them then along with a new iPhone SE and maybe a couple of other announcements like Homepod release date.
They’ve done late February refreshes before I think. Like 2013. So it could be soon.
Don't wait for 32GB of RAM. If you need more than 16GB, look again at the XPS15 from Dell, or one of the other Windows Notebooks you mentioned. I would probably go with Lenovo.
If you can live with 16 GB and like macOS, then the Macbook Pro 15" is a good choice, but get at least 512GB SSD if you use BootCamp. In a Parallels VM you are restricted to 8GB RAM (Parallels standard version that I use myself).
If you spend most of your time with the Macbook in BootCamp, then I really think that Apple notebooks are a waste of money nowadays. This was not so bad up to 2015, but the new Apple notebooks are not recommended for exclusive Windows use, in my opinion.
14" MB or MBP? Yes please. That extra inch goes a pretty long way.