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Waiting for the 2018 MBP

unobtainium said:
They’ve done late February refreshes before I think. Like 2013. So it could be soon.
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If there is a March or April event I think it will happen then, Apple have the Homepod to release in “early 2018” also.

OR

they could do a silent update if it’s not more than a spec update and they have nothing to talk about.
 
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whg said:
Don't wait for 32GB of RAM. If you need more than 16GB, look again at the XPS15 from Dell, or one of the other Windows Notebooks you mentioned. I would probably go with Lenovo.

If you can live with 16 GB and like macOS, then the Macbook Pro 15" is a good choice, but get at least 512GB SSD if you use BootCamp. In a Parallels VM you are restricted to 8GB RAM (Parallels standard version that I use myself).

If you spend most of your time with the Macbook in BootCamp, then I really think that Apple notebooks are a waste of money nowadays. This was not so bad up to 2015, but the new Apple notebooks are not recommended for exclusive Windows use, in my opinion.
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Getting a MacBook Pro for Windows only use is generally a bit... dare I say... stupid.

But ya. Looking at an XPS doesn't really solve anything. It's not like whether you "like" macOS better. Like with Windows there are a lot of people that NEED macOS. Myself included. My use for Windows though?! Zero.
 
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whg said:
Don't wait for 32GB of RAM. If you need more than 16GB, look again at the XPS15 from Dell, or one of the other Windows Notebooks you mentioned. I would probably go with Lenovo.

If you can live with 16 GB and like macOS, then the Macbook Pro 15" is a good choice, but get at least 512GB SSD if you use BootCamp. In a Parallels VM you are restricted to 8GB RAM (Parallels standard version that I use myself).

If you spend most of your time with the Macbook in BootCamp, then I really think that Apple notebooks are a waste of money nowadays. This was not so bad up to 2015, but the new Apple notebooks are not recommended for exclusive Windows use, in my opinion.
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for me it is interesting mac applications and editing programs that work very well in mac, I would only use windows to work with those modeling programs (solidworks and catia v5) because they are not implemented even for mac, but otherwise I'm finding more interesting mac operating system, that's why my interest to find an appropriate mac to carry both.
 
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fokmik said:
so you think, todays 15" MBP quad core+amd 560 doesnt have 45W+35W ?
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The bigger issue is the the i5 with Vega is 65watt we’re the i7 model (what the MacBook Pro 15 uses )is a 100watt tdp. Will the highest end config use these no but the i5 model would be a perfect fit for a new budget entry $2000 MacBook Pro or even possibly $1800 if Apple does some price adjusting across the entire lineup which I feel is overdue anyways.
 
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gobikerider said:
The bigger issue is the the i5 with Vega is 65watt we’re the i7 model (what the MacBook Pro 15 uses )is a 100watt tdp. Will the highest end config use these no but the i5 model would be a perfect fit for a new budget entry $2000 MacBook Pro or even possibly $1800 if Apple does some price adjusting across the entire lineup which I feel is overdue anyways.
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The article states
  • Delivering performance at two designs points: 65W & 100W
So I am assuming that this is spot on for both 13" and 15" MBP in various configurations.
 
gobikerider said:
The bigger issue is the the i5 with Vega is 65watt we’re the i7 model (what the MacBook Pro 15 uses )is a 100watt tdp.
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This is not true. There are i7 65W chips as well as i5 100W chips. The TDP has nothing to do with Intels branding, at least not at 15W+.

Having said that, I don't think these CPUs are a good choice for the next MacBook Pro. They do indeed offer Vega 24 GPUs which should be able to compete with the GTX1060, but at the cost of CPU performance. Using quad-core CPUs instead of the new H-series six-core CPUs is a great choice for relatively thin and light gaming notebooks and Intel's NUC, but it's not a good choice for a notebook intended for other workloads.
 
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audiomatt said:
Pystar was shipping with OSX and marketing themselves as OSX compatible. No?
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And if you don’t, you’re not developing a hackintosh, you’re developing a generic piece of hardware that would need to compete on spec and price with every established provider out there. Good luck kickstarting that.
 
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Poki said:
This is not true. There are i7 65W chips as well as i5 100W chips. The TDP has nothing to do with Intels branding, at least not at 15W+.

Having said that, I don't think these CPUs are a good choice for the next MacBook Pro. They do indeed offer Vega 24 GPUs which should be able to compete with the GTX1060, but at the cost of CPU performance. Using quad-core CPUs instead of the new H-series six-core CPUs is a great choice for relatively thin and light gaming notebooks and Intel's NUC, but it's not a good choice for a notebook intended for other workloads.
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Why exactly do 'we' need a more powerful CPU instead of a more balanced system?
 
richinaus said:
Why exactly do 'we' need a more powerful CPU instead of a more balanced system?
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A faster CPU accelerates pretty much every workflow, while an even faster GPU does only help in certain scenarios. Also it‘s not like we would lose a lot of GPU power anyway. This new 65W chip offers 2.6 TFLOPS of single precision GPU power, while the MacBook Pro‘s Radeon Pro 560 offers 1.9. I‘d argue that a new, Vega based 35W GPU could be able to match this performance without sacrificing two CPU cores.
 
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Poki said:
A faster CPU accelerates pretty much every workflow, while an even faster GPU does only help in certain scenarios. Also it‘s not like we would lose a lot of GPU power anyway. This new 65W chip offers 2.6 TFLOPS of single precision GPU power, while the MacBook Pro‘s Radeon Pro 560 offers 1.9. I‘d argue that a new, Vega based 35W GPU could be able to match this performance without sacrificing two CPU cores.
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I will be all for hex core if what you say about a 35w GPU works out. I am not convinced a Hexcore will improve day to day use that much tbh over quad core
 
B3yondL said:
Intel launches 8th Gen Core Processor with Radeon RX Vega graphics

The TDP for these processors seem to be at 65W and 100W. Out of question for 13'' but possible for 15'' since that model is at 80W CPU and GPU combined.
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I'd prefer to have a coffee lake hexacore + Vega solution instead of these Kaby Lake chips... nevertheless, this is very impressive and shows what can be done with a good interconnect. Do we call these things dedicated GPUs or integrated GPUs though? 😀
 
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AMD already unveiled a standalone "Vega mobile" GPU. They didn't publish specs yet, but for economic reasons, I'm inclined to believe that they'll offer the same chips as they use on Intel's G-series as separate packages.

This should provide a great way to implement a Vega 24 GPU into the MacBook Pro 15". Still nothing for the 13" ... Intel's press conference is going to be exciting.
 
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I see a lot of discussions on this IntelAMD hybrid saying that it's just a PR tactic to take the spotlight from the Metltdown and Spectre ****ery... So we and AAPL could be waiting for some time to get these.
Also, 65W and 100W TDP?!! This will never fly in the current 15" chassis.
Imho, AAPL will take the proven path of separate CPU/GPU and wait to see how good is the new tech.


Why is no discussion for Meltdown/Spectre?! I know OSX patched the newer High Sierra, but all the old systems are at risk
 
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muratura said:
Also, 65W and 100W TDP?!! This will never fly in the current 15" chassis.
Imho, AAPL will take the proven path of separate CPU/GPU and wait to see how good is the new tech.
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Why not? Right now 15” has 80W combined TDP. And a compact package like that would be ideal for Apple. It saves some serious space, is more efficient in terms of interconnect and power utilization, and plays well with Apple’s cooling design. I’m sure Apple could source binned versions of that package, getting close to max performance out of 80Watt TDP.
 
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leman said:
Why not? Right now 15” has 80W combined TDP. And a compact package like that would be ideal for Apple. It saves some serious space, is more efficient in terms of interconnect and power utilization, and plays well with Apple’s cooling design. I’m sure Apple could source binned versions of that package, getting close to max performance out of 80Watt TDP.
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Only problem is that Intel used last-generation H-series CPUs in these packages, meaning we'd lose out on CPU performance. And since the cooling and mainboard of the current 15" MBP is already designed to accommodate a separate CPU and GPU package, doing so would not only increase performance, but also reduce the cost of an update to a minimum.

Intel's CES press conference will be soon, then we'll see what they have to offer. If there are new six-core 45W H-series CPUs, I can't see Apple using these G-series chips in anything but the low end 15" model.
 
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