credit cards protect you, people are foolish not to use them. my cards double warranties of electronics up to 24 months after warranty. If they cant fix it, they send you a check for full price of laptop. Amex ftw
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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credit cards protect you, people are foolish not to use them. my cards double warranties of electronics up to 24 months after warranty. If they cant fix it, they send you a check for full price of laptop. Amex ftw
Not every has a credit card with purchase protection.
Honestly...
I think I'll sit them out. I remember 2010 when I think HP and Dell released the first mobile Quad Core H-class CPUs. With most machines at 1.6 some up to 1.8 GHZ. They more or less sucked.
Then in 2011 with the die shrink from 45nm to 32nm with Sandy Bridge the early 2011 MBPs came out with MUCH faster CPUs that still hold their own today.
I think the same will happen now. 6 Core 14nm will be okayish and a novelty. Next year at 10nm with Ice Lake we will have proper 6 Core CPUs that are actually fast.
Feel free to disagree... but that's what I think... given the historical context.
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Yes but now we know from others like dell that the performance will improve much more than the routine 5-10%
After lurking around, it looks like February we might see these chips... And 99% sure that in the CES some manufactures had already implemented them on their machines. (I bet they were pretty strict with Linus Tech Tips that he wouldn't say anything about the CPU's of some models..)
And for the first time ever, Intel has pressure from AMD, even on the laptop -side. So i strongly believe that we will see more than just 5-10%....
But it would be unbelievable stupid for Apple to "sit this trough" and not implement the new CPU's to the 2018 MBP. But i am pretty afraid about the 6-core i7-8850H. Apple has now a reason to charge you even more money for this CPU... Alltrough, they can't jack up the prices endlessly...
And for the first time ever, Intel has pressure from AMD, even on the laptop -side. So i strongly believe that we will see more than just 5-10%....
But it would be unbelievable stupid for Apple to "sit this trough" and not implement the new CPU's to the 2018 MBP. But i am pretty afraid about the 6-core i7-8850H. Apple has now a reason to charge you even more money for this CPU... Alltrough, they can't jack up the prices endlessly...
I don't disagree at all. The 10nm process has been particularly tricky to perfect, and has been delayed several times. By the time it's finally perfected (which might not be until a second or third generation 10nm part ships), I'm sure there will be a big jump in performance per watt.
The timing of when to buy always comes down to how old is your equipment and what are your needs. Personally, my equipment is aging and I'm fairly likely to need to upgrade this year. My daily driver is slowing me down more than I would like, and my "emergency backup" computer is likely going to lose security updates when macOS 10.14 ships.
When I do upgrade, while I would like a 6-core processor, I don't need one, especially if it comes with significant compromises. I'll be carefully evaluating how the four-core processors are clocked compared to the six-core, and I will definitely consider sticking with a four-core if they are clocked significantly higher. Being cheaper wouldn't hurt, either.
The consumer’s right to that repair or refund last well beyond the first year. The ability to make a claim for six years is there for a reason; computers have a long life expectancy. According to the Consumer Rights Act 2015, “consumers are entitled to expect goods to remain of satisfactory quality throughout their reasonable life expectancy, so long as they are maintained correctly and not misused.”
This extends Apple’s potential liability for many years past the one-year that applies to most countries. There’s extra cost to that, which would more than likely be reflected in the price.
There’s more info at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/consumer-rights-act-2015/consumer-rights-act-2015
and https://www.businesscompanion.info/en/quick-guides/good-practice/returns-policies
Disputes are settled out of court https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/alternative-dispute-resolution-for-consumers
So yesterday I yet again decided to spend some time in store with the Touch Bar models. Just to see if my previous experiences were somehow wrong. My 13" RMBP from 2013 is getting long in the tooth and a replacement will have to be purchased at some point.
After giving the various models another long, thorough try, I've come to the conclusion that I'm not even that worried anymore about any CPU, GPU, SSD or RAM upgrades in the 2018 cycle. Instead, I'm genuinely worried about how the MBP's feel under hand. Because right now, with the latest models the keyboard feels awful. The trackpad has gotten so big that it gets in your way when you're not using it and the Touch Bar is a step back (in my opinion) compared to having physical keys there. These models just feel all wrong to me. Physically they feel awkward to use. It feels like, having run out of ideas, they felt that what worked best for them in the past, would do so again if just repeated.
Tim Cook: "So, lets make it thinner still. Sacrifice the keyboard mechanism for that inferior flat design we've been working on and throw out mainstream ports that are too fat to do it. Oh it gets too hot? Just throttle it more aggressively... What's this about 'Pro' you say?... Profits?! Yes! Make it more expensive! Then also make the trackpad bigger once again, because that went down well last 3 times we did it. And everybody loves those touch displays in our iToys line right? So let's shoehorn one in there too. We'll call it innovation and use that as an excuse to justify the price. It costs what the innovation inside of it costs, right? *laughs*"
None of these decisions make practical sense to me. They don't add up to a better user experience. It just feels like a mess right now. Like something out of the Windows PC world, but (granted) with the Apple manufacturing quality. And to add insult to injury, the price.. oh god, the price.
So yeah, all I'm hoping for is a rebalancing of the physical design. Any speed/storage improvements would be just icing on the cake. How sad is that?
After giving the various models another long, thorough try, I've come to the conclusion that I'm not even that worried anymore about any CPU, GPU, SSD or RAM upgrades in the 2018 cycle. Instead, I'm genuinely worried about how the MBP's feel under hand. Because right now, with the latest models the keyboard feels awful. The trackpad has gotten so big that it gets in your way when you're not using it and the Touch Bar is a step back (in my opinion) compared to having physical keys there. These models just feel all wrong to me. Physically they feel awkward to use. It feels like, having run out of ideas, they felt that what worked best for them in the past, would do so again if just repeated.
Tim Cook: "So, lets make it thinner still. Sacrifice the keyboard mechanism for that inferior flat design we've been working on and throw out mainstream ports that are too fat to do it. Oh it gets too hot? Just throttle it more aggressively... What's this about 'Pro' you say?... Profits?! Yes! Make it more expensive! Then also make the trackpad bigger once again, because that went down well last 3 times we did it. And everybody loves those touch displays in our iToys line right? So let's shoehorn one in there too. We'll call it innovation and use that as an excuse to justify the price. It costs what the innovation inside of it costs, right? *laughs*"
None of these decisions make practical sense to me. They don't add up to a better user experience. It just feels like a mess right now. Like something out of the Windows PC world, but (granted) with the Apple manufacturing quality. And to add insult to injury, the price.. oh god, the price.
So yeah, all I'm hoping for is a rebalancing of the physical design. Any speed/storage improvements would be just icing on the cake. How sad is that?
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So yesterday I yet again decided to spent some time in store with the Touch Bar models. Just to see if my previous experiences were somehow wrong. My 13" RMBP from 2013 is getting long in the tooth and a replacement will have to be purchased at some point.
After giving the various models another long, thorough try, I've come to the conclusion that I'm not even that worried anymore about any CPU, GPU, SSD or RAM upgrades in the 2018 upgrades. Instead, I'm genuinely worried about how the MBP's feel under hand. Because right now, with the latest models the keyboard feels awful. The trackpad has gotten so big that it gets in your way when you're not using it and the Touch Bar is a step back (in my opinion) compared to having physical keys there. These models just feel all wrong to me. Physically they feel awkward to use. It feels like, having run out of ideas, they felt that what worked best for them in the past, would do so again if just repeated.
Tim Cook: "So, lets make it thinner still. Sacrifice the keyboard mechanism for that inferior flat design we've been working on and throw out mainstream ports that are too fat to do it. Oh it gets too hot? Just throttle it more aggressively... What's this about 'Pro' you say?... Profits?! Yes! Make it more expensive! Then also make the trackpad bigger once again, because that went down well last 3 times we did it. And everybody loves those touch displays in our iToys line right? So let's shoehorn one in there too. We'll call it innovation and use that as an excuse to justify the price. It costs what the innovation inside of it costs, right? *laughs*"
None of these decisions make practical sense to me. They don't add up to a better user experience. It just feels like a mess right now. Like something out of the Windows PC world, but (granted) with the Apple manufacturing quality. And to add insult to injury, the price.. oh god, the price.
So yeah, all I'm hoping for is a rebalancing of the physical design. Any speed/storage improvements would be just icing on the cake. How sad is that?
And that keyboard, with use, just doesn’t get any better. It feels awful. My typing speed is over 30% slower on my 2016 MBP than it is on my 2013 MBP, and my accuracy is about 30% worse, too. This 2016-2017 series has cost my small company measurably in productivity. It is very much not good.
and when I sat there with my brand new 2016 MacBook Pro and compared it to my 2014 model I couldn't believe how crap and spongy the 2014 felt. My typing is more than fine with the new model, it feels great and my accuracy is 100%.
They’re still selling the 2015’s... has to mean something. Only thing that might get me to budge from my 2015 is a 17” MBP
I agree with you. The typing isn't THAT bad in my opinion.
The problem is the durability of it. I expect that i get more than the 3 years out of 3000€+ Apple-laptop. And especially with 2016-model, i feel like the keyboard wont last as long as it should.
I think it could also be a way at keeping a toe in the water of those who want all the legacy ports, regular keyboard etc - in which case perhaps it will stick around like the 13" superdrive model for a good few years before disappearing. Really if they gave it a ~$2-300 price cut and whatever that translates to around the world, it'd remain a pretty attractive general use computer for a lot of people for years yet. 4th gen or no, it's still more powerful than the 12" MacBook, and more powerful in cpu terms than the 13" Touch Bar pro (about on a par with it in GPU terms). So it's not completely irrelevant yet, just overpriced. I'm assuming the above alongside a new style 15" with no dGPU slotting into its old $1,999 price point.
Where are these 2015s sold officially, is that a US thing? Because here in Sweden I can only see the newer models, none of which interest me due to the keyboard etc.
They're also sold in Austria's Apple Online Store. You just need to click on the 15" ones and then scoll down.
I've just looked on the Swedish Apple site, they are listed under buy 15" for 21 995,00 kr - you have to scroll down a bit from the two touch bar models but it is there
Apple is insane - just for ***** and giggles I looked at the trade in value for my rMBP (there’s a banner on the store encouraging a trade in) - my 15” 2015 rMBP with 16GB of RAM and 500GB SSD is only worth $835. They’re selling the 2.2 (mine is 2.5) with 16GB and only 256GB for $1999. Overpriced isn’t the word...
So yesterday I yet again decided to spend some time in store with the Touch Bar models. Just to see if my previous experiences were somehow wrong. My 13" RMBP from 2013 is getting long in the tooth and a replacement will have to be purchased at some point.
After giving the various models another long, thorough try, I've come to the conclusion that I'm not even that worried anymore about any CPU, GPU, SSD or RAM upgrades in the 2018 cycle. Instead, I'm genuinely worried about how the MBP's feel under hand. Because right now, with the latest models the keyboard feels awful. The trackpad has gotten so big that it gets in your way when you're not using it and the Touch Bar is a step back (in my opinion) compared to having physical keys there. These models just feel all wrong to me. Physically they feel awkward to use. It feels like, having run out of ideas, they felt that what worked best for them in the past, would do so again if just repeated.
Tim Cook: "So, lets make it thinner still. Sacrifice the keyboard mechanism for that inferior flat design we've been working on and throw out mainstream ports that are too fat to do it. Oh it gets too hot? Just throttle it more aggressively... What's this about 'Pro' you say?... Profits?! Yes! Make it more expensive! Then also make the trackpad bigger once again, because that went down well last 3 times we did it. And everybody loves those touch displays in our iToys line right? So let's shoehorn one in there too. We'll call it innovation and use that as an excuse to justify the price. It costs what the innovation inside of it costs, right? *laughs*"
None of these decisions make practical sense to me. They don't add up to a better user experience. It just feels like a mess right now. Like something out of the Windows PC world, but (granted) with the Apple manufacturing quality. And to add insult to injury, the price.. oh god, the price.
So yeah, all I'm hoping for is a rebalancing of the physical design. Any speed/storage improvements would be just icing on the cake. How sad is that?
This x 10000
I don’t care about CPU, RAM or GPU, but usability.
I care about usability but you know what I really care about? Upgradability. Only Apple could get away with soldering memory onto the mobo. I need to upgrade my daughter’s SSD and I’m reading stories on these forums that you need some special adapter. I’m going to wind up buying an older SSD off of eBay (I’ve heard bad stories about OWC, don’t want to go there) rather than risk a problem. Meantime, I have a Dell laptop for work... needed to go from 8 to 16 GB...15 minutes and done. It’s convienent that their design forces the customer to buy new rather than upgrade ...
Dell, Microsoft, Lenovo etc. all solder RAM in their premium laptop models. Why? Because they care about battery life, so they use LDPPR3 which is not socketed. Design is all about tradeoffs. And these machines sell rather well. The reason for this is simple: many users generally prefer convenience and usability of a light laptop over long-term investment minimisation, especially if the resulting savings are negligible.
Personally i think that if Apple are going to include a quad core in the 13" and a 6 core in the 15" MacBook Pro's then that will be a big upgrade so the report of Apple not giving the MacBook Pro's a "Major update" is of no surprise when bumping up the processors to quad core (13") and 6 core (15") will in itself be a big update.
The only other thing I'm not sure on is if Apple will do anything about the keyboard, this will depend really since i have seen a few people around the forum complain about it while other people have said they like it and have had no issues. It will all depend on failure rates i think. Personally i will be keeping an eye out to see what they do, for me buying a new MacBook Pro will be an investment for editing and a few other things that i hope to keep around for a while (i still have my 2011 MacBook Pro).
The only other thing I'm not sure on is if Apple will do anything about the keyboard, this will depend really since i have seen a few people around the forum complain about it while other people have said they like it and have had no issues. It will all depend on failure rates i think. Personally i will be keeping an eye out to see what they do, for me buying a new MacBook Pro will be an investment for editing and a few other things that i hope to keep around for a while (i still have my 2011 MacBook Pro).