Gaah, I would love that. They could call em MBP and MBP+. MBP can replace the MBA, emphasis on thin and light while still being powerful enough to differentiate from the MacBook, which takes the stage as the true ultra portable in their line. Everything soldered in. The MBP+ OTOH could be the more powerful performer that's a bit fatter with at least some user-upgradeable parts. C'mon Tim, just do it and take my m'fing money, man.
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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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Gaah, I would love that. They could call em MBP and MBP+. MBP can replace the MBA, emphasis on thin and light while still being powerful enough to differentiate from the MacBook, which takes the stage as the true ultra portable in their line. Everything soldered in. The MBP+ OTOH could be the more powerful performer that's a bit fatter with at least some user-upgradeable parts. C'mon Tim, just do it and take my m'fing money, man.
The new keyboard does indeed look very good and does really sit well visually in the overall flat look of the Touch Bar MBP's. And there are certainly plenty of users out there that love the feel of it. So I agree with you that it very much is a matter of personal preference. I just hope Apple can improve on the current design of the mechanics and assuage the legitimate concerns many other users do have with it. I fear though, as other users have suggested, that any decision will depend on failure rates rather than any customer preference feedback.
As for the Touch Bar, I'm still looking to be persuaded. Looking for that stunning workflow improvement that negates the downsides it otherwise imposes. I've looked at blogs and websites searching for how people are using the Touch Bar... what apps are being written/adapted to make use of it. And I genuinely can't find any that do so in a significantly progressive way. The things you can do with the TB almost entirely consist of tasks/actions that are just as easily (if not more so) done via conventional means. ie. shortcuts, gestures, or GUI controls. And you don't have to constantly divert your eyes away from your on-screen focal point, down to the TB to visually find where to put your fingers. So I can't understand why a company historically known for its masterful understanding of UI/UX thought this was such a revolutionary improvement that they should market it without giving their clients the choice. To me it reeks of a bad case of 'change for change's sake', as I outlined in my previous post.
And lastly, I noticed that the TB screen looked quite differently calibrated to the main screen. It's white balance looked skewed very much to the yellow, giving it an old, worn out feel. I wonder if it can be calibrated like the main screen can.
Rather than getting an all-new MBP design, I prefer the issues of 2016 and 2017 ironed out, so the 2018 version should become a solid piece of hardware.
Furthermore, I don't really care what's under the hood, as long as the machine is reliable.
Am on a mid-2011 MBA which had its issues, but still going after nearly seven years.
That's what I want in a MBP.
Furthermore, I don't really care what's under the hood, as long as the machine is reliable.
Am on a mid-2011 MBA which had its issues, but still going after nearly seven years.
That's what I want in a MBP.
Nevertheless the upcoming models will have the biggest jump in performance since a long time
Since I didn’t had any keyboard issues with any of the 2017 modelslike i had with the 2016,i think the 2018 will be a strong and reliable device. I just hope with these quad core and six cores we will not return in time with the battery of the 2013-2016 models where you couldn’t have more than 7-8 hours even with light usage and half brightness
Since I didn’t had any keyboard issues with any of the 2017 modelslike i had with the 2016,i think the 2018 will be a strong and reliable device. I just hope with these quad core and six cores we will not return in time with the battery of the 2013-2016 models where you couldn’t have more than 7-8 hours even with light usage and half brightness
i wonder if its normal, or useful, for Apple to offer for any new upcoming mac BT 5.0 ?!
Honestly I don't care about that - I'd gladly give up battery life for CPU power at this point. I've never needed 12 hrs battery life in any case.
ofc 12 hours...but i was talking about 5-6-7 hours WITH light usage...so for people on the way a lot if they use it with medium usage..they get 3 hours...and thats not ok since we have enough power
With my late 2013 i always got 2-3 hours with medium to heavy usage...often not enough..
With my 2017 its another story, since i get around 5-6 hours and around 9-10 with light usage
Thats i want..performance and at least the same battery life
Apple needs BT 5 on its mobile devices. With all the IOT, indoor navigation and gadgets for the iPhone, BT 5 is a must. The question is, if Apple thinks its important enough to source a chip that can handle BT 5. Broadcom is offering one https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless/wireless-lan-bluetooth/bcm4375/ WIFI/BT5 combo. So it might happen
Man... I would love to have a full days charge... My 15 inch MacBook Pro mid 2009 is getting me 1-3.5h depending on usage...
Do you have a link/source? I couldn't find anything on Google unfortunately.
Which is why, no matter what PC or Mac you have, if you present frequently, you probably already have a pile of adapters. I have an HP EliteBook 820. HP loads the EliteBook series with tons of legacy ports (e.g. Ethernet, VGA), but it has full-size DisplayPort. I carry a DP-to-HDMI adapter.
There are plenty of USB-C to HDMI cables out there. Since it’s become the preferred Android port, I think it will become more common for presentation rooms to stock USB-C to HDMI cables or adapters.
Battery life is not the highest priority for my use either as the majority of time mine is plugged in and the use is home to office to home [I can work in either]. However there are occasions where I do need the battery life [out in presentations / travel etc] and would hope an 8 hour life is achievable for realistic use.
The good thing about the mbp is I feel Apple tend to supply us a balanced system which does not make everyone happy all the time but happy most of the time.
Eh I saw it in one of those video reviews that came out in the first couple of days. They have changed the materials I believe. Sorry I can't remember exactly where I heard that.
Edit: Brief mention here:
http://hexus.net/tech/news/laptop/113777-dell-xps-13-improved-every-conceivable-way-2018/
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Some on this forum have said apple wont bump the core count for each respective model this year but I'm going to say I disagree. All of the other manufacturers are already implementing 4 cores into ultra thin 13 inch frames. I'm sorry but I think it's a sure thing. Even if it's a Kaby Lake refresh, those are 4/6/8 core designs.
I don't think Apple will have any choice in the matter. Once intel ramp up production of new chips, they won't be able to produce the old ones in numbers necessary for Apple
I agree. However with some additional research I see all of the 8th gen U chips use the UHD620. Which is inferior to the 650. That would be a large step backwards for graphics. Surely that can't be right.. Someone please tell me they have a 8th gen 15w-28w U chip with 650 iGPU.
Thats what Apple is probably waiting for. But then it also might not be as simple. The Kaby Lake R (15W quad core) is most likely the exact same chip as the 45W quad core Kaby Lake, possible with some minor process optimisations to make it slightly more efficient. And those chips never came with Iris graphics. And no recent leak included a quad-core CPU with better graphics. Frankly, at this point I am hoping for a Kaby Lake G with a custom 30W TDP for the 13" MBP... Because the only other alternative seems to be Cannonlake...
The bottomline here is that Intel's schedule is totally screwing Apple again, since Apple is only using the high-end CPU variants... they could of course join the bandwagon and just use the Kaby Lake R, but that would mean significant cut in graphical performance for the 13" models. Its a rather awkward situation
No matter what they do, people will complain.
There have been rumors of 28W quad-core coffee lake processors coming out later this year with GT3e graphics.
Nothing says all the right chips have to be available at the same time. Historically, Apple have updated the 15” and 13” at completely different times months apart so what’s to stop them doing it again.
No. That’s the trade off. I’m guessing that there isn’t enough thermal room within 15W to enable 4 cores with faster graphics.
And how do we know that? The fact is that quad core KL chips with iris graphics simply don’t exist, and the reason for that is that the desktop chips they derive from dont have iris graphics either.
That’s why I said I’m guessing. It stands to reason if they want to crank up the CPU within 15W they need to limit something else.
100% agree and it is quite likely they will do this if the availability isn't there.
From all the rumours it would appear the 15" is the one that would arrive first then the 13", which is fine.
No point holding back on releasing an updated 15" just because the right chip for the 13" is months away.