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Yeah the price in € is gone bonkers.
As a fellow European who is generally ok with paying an "Apple premium", I absolutely agree that the current prices are insane. A maxed-out 15" sells for 5k€ (and more than 4k€ even if you give up on the 2TB drive), very hard to justify no matter how great of a machine the new MBP is. I usually go for maxed-out machines because I need the computational grunt, but 5k€ for a laptop is insane.

Just curious: many people, including myself btw, keep posting about how much they want a beefier "reallyPro" model with 32GB of RAM, 4K display, a better GPU and so on and so forth. But how many of them would actually consider dropping 5k-6k€ on laptop if given the chance? Because that's how much a MBP with those specs would arguably sell for...
 
Who's with me?

Hopefully we'll see:
- Coffee Lake
- 32 GB of DDR4 RAM
- Battery improvements
- Touch Bar improvements

Possible release dates:
- March 2018
- WWDC 2018


And a real keyboard.
A mouse pad that is proportionate to the laptop's size.
Yes, battery improvements.
A 15" that has no touch bar (this has been yet another way for Apple to force their inventions upon their buyers, no 15 inch wthout a touch bar).
SD card slots.
USB slots.
 
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I would buy a PowerBook if it has 32 GB and better battery life than my 2012 (something the 2016 didn't have)
[doublepost=1497656292][/doublepost]Maybe not at 4k$ though
Yep, agreed, but that was indeed my point. How many of the people asking Apple to make the infamous MB "ReallyPro" wouldn't balk at the realization that it would cost nearly as much as an iMac Pro? Given the current prices, thinking they would release such a machine for any less (assuming they ever do, which I'm skeptical about) is delusional, imho.

On the other hand, if it's just about a 32GB upgrade and not a different design, then it should be feasible to sell it as a very expensive upgrade. Probably at a price similar to the 2TB drive or something like that. Still, we'd be looking at prices over 4k$/€...
 
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Agree completely. As much as I want to see a 32GB MBP, I would simply not pay the €5k price they would be asking.

At this point the only thing stopping my going Dell is Windows. OsX High Sierra sounds amazing
 
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It's the other way around. What's the problem with making a "Super Mac Pro" that has all the ports commonly in use, plus a couple of the brand new ones? It's not like Apple is hard up for money.

As for your question, which dongles should I get and how do you know? And what happens if I forget to bring them with me? And what if I have no desire to carry around a bunch of dongles that I previously didn't need? See, that's the thing… Apple is removing functionality (for "thinness" -- something pros don't really care about), selling folks a **** sandwich. And people are buying. (some people)

I honestly don't get it.


How? With dongle HELL? I already got something that WORKS better than its successor...

2015 for the win, for about a year or two more, so true...until USB-C just dominates the landscape...

one thing she didn't even mention (I don't think) is she could have thrown in a 1TB/2TB SSD (albiet won't be as fast) but still... which these new one's can't still, Ima check OWC :)

Nope. That's to bad...make sure you get all you can when you initially buy...
 
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There is this talk of cost. Yes, if Apple bumps up the specs and start charging iMac Pro pricing, it really would be out of reach for many. But, the reality is, if you are looking at the cost of the machine versus the ROI, then, you really have no use for it in the first place. If you are a freelance video editor, graphic designer, contractor or work for a media company then, you are likely to recoup the money you spent on the machine from your business.

For instance, a videographer doing a month of weddings in June can charge anywhere between $900 to 1200. Take into account, gas, transportation, if you do an average of 2 to 3 weddings per month, you are likely to make back that $5,000 in less than 3 months. Lets not forget to, you might also dabble in photography too in addition to video, so that's another maybe 1,200's.

So, for a professional, the initial cost versus the ROI would be negligible. Persons working for a company with a graphics design department, your organization is likely paying for it.

An enthusiast lusting to have the latest and best for bragging rights or just admire and say you have one, then you are not in Apple's target market. Take for instance the upcoming iMac Pro. Apple used industry professionals to demo the machine, these were folks from Lucas Arts; a company that makes hundreds of millions in revenue from licensing and rendering animation. An individual working there is not gonna buy an iMac Pro for themselves neither a speced out MBP, but their employer will gladly spend the $17,000 because it achieves what they want.

I think what has probably confused a lot of folks is the YouTubers who probably have made so much money from their unboxings, they are part of the niche crowd who can actually afford to splurge on such a machine. Also, some of them get reviewers units or use the 14 day return policy or resell it at a small lost. For the average everyday user, a base model is more realistic. Another way some users can afford these expensive models is using Apple leasing, which lets you finance the purchase of say a $5,000 MBP over 18 months:

No interest if paid in full within the promo period.
Special financing on purchases made at Apple within the first 30 days of account opening. Promo period based on purchase amount:
  • 6 months: less than $499
  • 12 months: $499 to less than $999
  • 18 months: $999 and over
Paying $2,500 initially for a $5000 computer over a certain period of time is more palatable. While you are making money off your new MacBook Pro with whatever business you run, you are paying for your MacBook Pro.

Some can afford it outright, but this is not a realistic norm for everybody. I live outside the US, so I had no other choice but to pay in full when I bought 2015 MacBook Pro. Not gonna lie, living in a developing country, it wasn't easy making back the money either considering I really had no practical use for it, but I always wanted a MacBook Pro. I was able to make back the money, while at the same time managing my living expenses: food, Internet, telephone, electricity and I am able to enjoy my MacBook Pro. Even local electronics stores out here give you the option to pay over time with not interest.
 
A 15" that has no touch bar (this has been yet another way for Apple to force their inventions upon their buyers, no 15 inch wthout a touch bar).

I was really hoping there would have been a touch-bar-free 15" option with the 2017 lineup. I'm in a tough spot because I need to buy a laptop but my workflow requires me to use a lot of f key activations for actions/batch processes on the fly and after testing the touch bar, the bottom line is that my job is made more difficult and less efficient. Having to purchase another keyboard, nevermind having to lug it around is pretty ridiculous when considering paying extra for a feature that is detrimental.
 
Expensive is an issue. But I very much doubt that is going to change!
The price is an issue. That's one of the reasons why I returned the 15" MPBtb. Also, at the time I purchased it, I didn't think Apple could fix my MBA, which they did, so I had no use for the MBP. But during the week I had it, I knew that's what I wanted. So now, I am planning a trip to Portland, Oregon for work and take advantage of the tax-free on electronics, and hopefully, I will get my 6% corporate discount, just like I did when I first purchased it, and walk away with a decent discount.
 
I was really hoping there would have been a touch-bar-free 15" option with the 2017 lineup. I'm in a tough spot because I need to buy a laptop but my workflow requires me to use a lot of f key activations for actions/batch processes on the fly and after testing the touch bar, the bottom line is that my job is made more difficult and less efficient. Having to purchase another keyboard, nevermind having to lug it around is pretty ridiculous when considering paying extra for a feature that is detrimental.


Yet another example of how the MacBook PRO isn't a pro machine at all.
 
A dream-like 2018 15" Macbook Pro:
6-core Intel processor
32GB of LPDDR4 memmory
AMD Vega GPU
Price: still the same! (However reality probably will bring us + $500 cost for 32GB RAM option)
 
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