Wow, you didn't even upgrade the HD? If you popped in even a low end SSD, you'd be amazed at now much snappier even a 2008 would run. I popped one into my wife's old 2009 and was totally shocked that it didn't feel ancient anymore.
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Wow, you didn't even upgrade the HD? If you popped in even a low end SSD, you'd be amazed at now much snappier even a 2008 would run. I popped one into my wife's old 2009 and was totally shocked that it didn't feel ancient anymore.
I got the iPad Pro with 120hz display two days ago and I will not buy any new device which does not have this display tech. I cannot go back and all other displays look like crap now. There the wait continues....
Most of the visual difference lies in the ability to display the P3 color gamut. Question about the display though, does it perform motion interpolation on video, introducing 'soap opera effect'?
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I really wouldn't care about 120Hz on a MacBook Pro. MacBook Pro computers tend to deal with more intensive tasks and having to render all that at double the frame rate would make the GPUs struggle quite much. I'd care instead on what are going to be the processors that we are getting on the next MBPs.
Actually for me, in 2017 (and beyond), does it really matter what processor is in there? Hear me out for a second.
I have a 2012 rMBP - a 5 year old laptop, it can do everything a 2017 laptop can do, and most of the tasks are done fair quickly. True I'm not using incrediblly intensive apps or playing games but my point is that if a 5 year old laptop is still running things fine, how much do we really need to worry about Kaby Lake vs. Coffee Lake, vs. Cannon lake?
True I'm one of those who like newer/shiny things but at the end of the day the performance increase isn't that much. I'm at a point where I think overall the experience of the entire package makes the upgrade worthwhile. My battery life is not good on a 5 year old battery, the USBs are much slower compared to USB-C. The screen technology has improved quite a bit, etc etc.
And I have a 2011 that also still rocks.
Hardware is what makes de difference when it comes to the new features coming in the future. That's why it's important wether it's 2017 or 2011. My MacBook Pro is a good example of this as it didn't get Metal support because of it's Intel HD3000 GPU. Another example could be the hardware acceleration for playing HEVC H.265 coming in High Sierra.
That's why it's important to know what the new hardware is to see where the road is gonna lead us so we know if maybe we should wait one more year or not to buy a new Mac as now it's clear that in terms of differences between Kaby Lake and Skylake it was worth the wait for the 2017 MBP.
Yep, I know it, I just don't care - I don't even use it that much and am on my work PC way more so it never really mattered to me as long as it still ran ok. Still on the original 250GB disk it came with, nearly full there too... The only thing that matters to me is being able to drive my new 43" 4K display and thus I need a new machine no matter what haha
I'm still incredulous that Apple is calling it the Macbook "Pro". I'm still hanging on to my 2010 MbP with its easy upgradability, variety of ports, optical drive, etc. If the 2018 Macbook "Pro" still has only USB-C ports (with Cook proclaiming "Our thinnest MbP EVER!") and no real user upgradability, it's buuuuh-bye, Apple.
Then you might as well start looking for a different laptop now.
Might as well save you the suspense. Get packing. It's USB-C or the highway from here on out... probably not just for Apple too. USB-C is the real deal. USB-A ports are a dead end. Just buy some cheap $5 adapters to cap off your existing USB peripherals. Problem solved.
You're probably right. Apple's got a SEVERE case of self navel-gazing. I just hate ditching over 2 decades' worth investment into Apple (Computers -- remember when they were called that?) products.
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No, not problem solved. Actual PROS need a variety of ports. e.g. Just a few weeks ago for a live performance using my 2010 MBP I used the 1) Mini Display port to project synchronized video onto a giant screen in HD -- plugged directly into the venue's video system. No adapter needed. 2) Firewire port into a NEW audio interface box to route multiple audio signals. No adapter needed. 3) Used the "standard" USB connections to move files around via USB thumb drives. No adapter needed. 4) Used the ethernet port to connect to and program a WiFi extender. No adapter needed. 5) Used the SD slot to import pics from an actual, real CAMERA. No adapter needed. 6) Used the CD/DVD drive to create a test mix disc to play on a boom box/in the car. No adapter needed.
You see, in the real world, despite what Apple says and has led you to believe, NONE of these things are obsolete or a dead end. They're in use everywhere, every day. So no, requiring a bag full of adapters (and which ones to get when?) is not problem solved, it's problem CREATED.
It's not so much that they're cranking at 120Hz "all the time" it's that they can throttle down to 1Hz (or whatever the lowest frequency is). Like if all you have is photo "not moving" on the screen the frequency on the iPad goes "low."
...and then if you play a game or a video even you could go all the way up to 120Hz.
Like I am looking at my mac screen as I type this and the only thing moving it the cursor and following keystroke's text...
Funny you should write PRO in all caps. Would you care to guess what class of user I am? Yeah, professional. I crunch data, run dev servers, code, do a bit of design and video too. I probably need more ports than you do. I've never had enough ports no matter how generous the design of the laptop. USB-C actually has been beneficial in allowing me to clean up my cable clutter and so I don't have a rats nest of wires snaking across everything in sight.
I'll be honest. I was severely annoyed at first with having to buy adapter caps for some of my USB-A devices and I'm still a bit sore about not having an SD card slot, but I got over it pretty fast. Adapting to different situations is also a pretty pro thing to.
Thanks for explaining to me how things work in the real world, but I didn't say that USB-C is the real deal because I'm some Apple fanboi who thinks that the shining monochrome fruit on the hill can do no wrong. I'm saying that because I have access to supply chain insight and I know that the market for parts that are needed to produce USB-C interfaces is totally hammered right now. It's hammered because everyone is ramping up their USB-C game. It's not just Apple.
USB-A is going be with us for a long time, but USB-C is taking over and that's a good thing. If you want to declare "USB-A forever" that's your business, but change is going to happen.
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USB-C may be the future (maybe? perhaps? Remember that's what they said about Firewire too, not that long ago -- "Most awesome thing in the world!!"), but I work in the present, not the future. And the present needs are few to no USB-C, but lots of other connections. Declarations proclaiming the "obsolescence" of things are attempts at a fait accompli for someone else's benefit, not really yours (or mine). *I* will decide when something is "obsolete," not someone else -- and that is what computing is supposed to be about: providing you the tools to do what you want *how you want to do it*.
Apple (Computers) used to understand that. Not any more apparently. Ultimately that will come back to bite them hard.
If you're still riding a 2010 model as a PRO, you most certainly are the master of your own reality when it comes to obsolesence. Did you at least upgrade that fossil to an SSD drive?
You're stuck on the Apple thing. USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 is not Apple's baby. Firewire was. It's entirely still possible that despite the growing momentum, USB-C will ultimately end up a failure, but the two situations are not equivalent. The whole industry is putting bets down on USB-C and Intel just released the Thunderbolt-3 spec as a royalty free forever, eliminating one of the final speedbumps that could discourage greater adoption. Hardly anyone but Apple was ever pushing Firewire and Apple demanded licensing fees for usage of Firewire in devices.
I don't know why people are disappointed by the price cut when... there wasn't one! Apple NEVER said "price cut", the phrase was made up by media and then accused of being inaccurate.... by the media. They said they're introducing a "new configuration" that starts at $1299. Hopefully we see a price cut later in the year, and the 128GB option should go.
"Fossil", eh? That "fossil" just drove an entire live multimedia performance at a major live awards ceremony… without a single dongle.
You're not asking the right questions regarding "upgrading". You're not asking the right questions regarding cost to performance ratios. You're asking questions "they" want you to ask (for "their" benefit)
It doesn't matter who is pushing it. USB-C will be the "greatest thing in the world''… until USB-D/E/F comes out… At which point it will be declared everything else is "obsolete" and the fanboy masses will clamor for it even if it's not actually much improved or needed.
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Floppy disks have nothing to do with it. An inward-looking, shiny toy Apple corporate culture that ignores the base that kept them from going out of business in the mid to late-90's is the problem.
So yeah, "wrong decade" but not for the reason you think.
I really want the 120 Hz screen too. I saw the iPad in the Apple Store yesterday and was blown away by how awesome it looks. Now I am going to expect it on the laptop too
I also think an e-ink keyboard could be pretty cool.
I also think an e-ink keyboard could be pretty cool.
Not a chance unless they start putting a real GPU in the MB, which won't happen. Not to mention the lack of quad-core CPU's and only one port that isn't even TB3 compatible.
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Is it true that the design of the 2018 will be different compared to the previous versions?
Honestly I understand your pain, but the reality is that most Professional fields (obviously not the one your in) deal with people using their own hardware. Most Pro's in most fields don't have to worry about the hardware of the venue, so with the exception of the ethernet adapter when used with router and SD card slot, you can just attach an adapter to the end of your cable and be fine (not you personally but most users). Even the ethernet adapter is most likely sitting at a desk waiting for the user to dock their mac and plug it in and is most likely going to be attached to their ethernet cable. The only thing I'll miss, and I'm not a pro photographer by any means, is the SD card slot and the fact that the sheer number of ports is reduced so I'll occasionally need a hub. I also haven't used an optical drive since 2011. All the stuff that used to be on CD's is now digital and my car accepts audio through USB from my phone.
Just so we're clear though, I completely understand that for your field those ports make your life easier, but in most people's use cases, I don't think the dongle situation is all that bad. I could be wrong though. I just feel like most people use their hardware at a desk, so there shouldn't be that much of a problem. And the things they can move from the desk like drives can add a dongle on the end and be fine. It's a pain in the ass to get started, but once you've dongled up it should be no problem.
