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Waiting for the 2018 MBP
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That's not very nice. I can completely understand the OP desiring to wait for an upgrade that he/she feels is truly worth it and being frustrated by an unexpected hardware failure forcing his/her hand.
I wonder if Apple has any low power discrete gpu solutions that they could pair with the i5-8xxx quad core 15w chips in 13" models. I expect not, though. Will be kind of sad if Apple doesn't have quad core chips for 1yr+ after PC's though.
Unfortunately March no guarantee
Lol dude. I actually like your comment, was pretty funny. Seriously. But yah I guess that was too dramatic, but I also have been waiting on this upgrade for a few years. Either way my whole post is meaningless now because a friend had an old macbook air that I could use while I wait. So I guess my dream may still come true!
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nope. External monitor won't even flicker or anything. Whatever controls displays (GPU or display controller not sure which) is nearly completely fried.
lol, i got it from work but after using macOS for the first time full time im sold. I want my own now and im looking to see what the new macbooks feel like with the new keyboards and touch panels.Damn, must be nice!
There actually are low-power Vega chips which might fit in the 13W TDP left (28W of current-gen TB MBP minus 15W for the new quad-core chips). Unfortunately AMD didn't reveal too many specs yet, but it wouldn't be the first time Apple was the first vendor to get a new AMD chip.
These chips should be about equal if not a little faster than the Radeon Pro 450. If Intel doesn't release a 28W GT3e chip soon, I could see these chips being used in the 13" TB MBP.
My comment was more related to stating how bad the current machines are. If you need a new computer then just buy one.... they are quite good. Good you got the air though and hope you make it to June (or March). I am waiting too for a new mbp but not as desperate as you
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I need to order a new MacBook soon at work. Hopefully we will see an update in March. Even though it is not my money, I want to get the new ones with possible 32GB!
I think people holding out for a 13" quad core are going to be highly disappointed. The current 8th gen Intel quad cores use Intel graphics. If Apple sticks with Iris then Intel is releasing a dual core 8th gen with Iris later this year. If Apple makes the jump to AMD then it's also going to be a dual core.
I don't think we will see quad core 13" machines until 2019...
What? AMD already offers Ryzen Mobile with four cores, integrated Vega graphics and a 15W TDP, so how on earth should a switch to AMD result in only two cores? Same with Intel - a combination of a 15W quad-core Intel CPU and a 12W integrated Vega would be a huge jump in performance, so why should they use a dual core chip? And that‘s all ignoring the fact that Intel hasn‘t yet published any detailed roadmap for this year, so there‘s literally nothing pointing against a 28W quad-core CPU with GT3e graphics.
Also, do you really think Apple wants to sell notebooks with half the CPU power compared to the 13“ competition for another year when there are so many greatoptions out there to outperform them?
I didn‘t say that. I said there might be a 28W quad-core Intel chip with GT3e graphics right around the corner. What I did say is that even when Intel won‘t release such a chip, combining a 15W Intel CPU with a 12W integrated Vega chip would far outperform any Iris ever while using the same amount of power. Also, switching to AMD is a more realistic possibility than ever, with Ryzen Mobile offering similar CPU and better GPU performance than Intel‘s chips.
And heck, even if the just stick an i5-8250 in there, the gains in CPU performance would far outweigh the loss in GPU performance for a lot if users, especially now that eGPUs are a real thing.
Okay maybe I was confused about what you ment... If Apple sticks with Iris then there is NO 8th quad core with Iris. I believe Intel is releasing a dual core 8th gen later on with Iris.
Could Apple dump Iris? Sure but I don't see that happening. I am slo skeptical about an AMD switch this year but I guess we will know at some point..
I think Apple would be smart to get to quad core on the 13" as fast a possible but I am highly skeptical that it will happen this year. If it does then cool beans! I suppose we could see it on the TB but not on the nTB.. Who knows..
There are a lot of 8th gen chips Intel didn't announce yet, chances are there are some 28W quad-core with Iris iGPU ones.
But whatever, quad-core CPUs are pretty much a given in the next 13" MBP, thinking about just how many great options Apple has to build such a machine, and looking at the competition which puts out quad-core 13" ultrabooks (some much smaller and lighter than the MBP) since last September.
I would not go so far as to say they are a give in. I am on the opposite side of the fence and think people are going to be highly disappointed by either the wait or the CPU whichever comes 1st.
I suppose it all boils down to when Apple releases them. Some think it's going to happen next month and if it is next month then I'd peg a 0% chance of quad core. It's it's a June release then maybe a there is a higher chance... A November release? Better chances..
And how should they do that? There aren't even any current dual-core chips out there either from Intel or from AMD. Which means, if Apple desperately wants to stay at two cores, they either need to use the same chips as they currently do (in which case, why should they bother updating them at all?) or they'd need to use the ultra cheap low-end Pentium or Celeron chips, which won't happen. On the other hand, there are like four different routes they could go to get quad-core right now.
Intel already has plans for an 8th gen dual core Iris chip...................... Which quad core chips are out now has Iris graphics? We already discussed this and they are not usable unless Apple ditches Iris.
Yes, we already discussed this, and I already offered different solutions to this (did you actually read any of my comments?).
But just to your point here: There is NO dual-core chip with GT3e graphics announced right now, so we could just as well assume these chips will be quad-core. Without any official announcement (or even rumors on any basis) why would you expect these chips to be dual-core? And even if they were, why would you expect Apple to use them instead of a 15W quad-core together with a 12W Vega graphics, which would outperform it vastly both in CPU and in GPU.
I guess we will see.. Yes I read your comments but I don't see Apple going in that direction. Could they? Sure but I don't see it happening especially by next month as we would already have a TON of all but confirmed rumors of such. Heck even at a June or July release we would already be seeing pretty solid rumors. The fact that we have not is kind of telling.
"Going in that direction" - which one do you mean? I pointed out at least four different directions they could go, staying at two cores is not one of them.
Also, for silent "speed bump" updates like this, there haven't been a lot of rumors in the past either. Obviously the speed gains are much bigger this time, but that doesn't make it harder to prevent leaks – they still just need to stick a new CPU in the existing notebook.
You don't think quad core and Apple dumping Iris graphics would be news? I do and we have heard nothing on that front. Anyways, since Apple is the only one who knows what they are doing we are spinning our wheels here. You obviously believe quad core next month and I think people are going to be disappointed if that's what they are expecting.
Time will tell...
Intel's Iris iGPUs are nothing special. Even the lowest end Vega 8 iGPUs are faster anyway, so going that direction coupled with a quad-core Intel CPU simply makes more sense, especially if Intel won't build a quad-core CPU with a faster iGPU. But even when relying on the UHD620, it's still a much better package than we currently have.
And no, I never said March. It's a possibility, but the exact release time is nothing I'd bet on. But whenever they release them, they will be quad-core – all the necessary parts are already in place, no matter how they want to complete the puzzle.
I also can't understand why you think that an Intel CPU + AMD GPU would be out of the ordinary. After all, that's precisely what they do with the 15" MacBook Pro, the iMac, the Mac Pro and the iMac Pro.
New details emerge about the new Coffee-Lake HQ processors. Still this is an open question - will the new Macbook Pro 15 get hexacore Coffee-Lakes or quad-core Kaby-Lake G with Vega graphics?
https://videocardz.com/74983/gigaby...fee-lake-h-cpus-coming-late-march-early-april
https://videocardz.com/74983/gigaby...fee-lake-h-cpus-coming-late-march-early-april
I agree on the numbers, equally outside of such tech forums I don't think Apple's target audience cares much as long as the hardware is up to the job and the system is reasonably fast and fluid. A lot don't know much about computers, however they do believe in Apple, and Cupertino is acutely aware.
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