Didn't Moore's law already end in 2012? I mean here we are, six years later, with "just" roughly twice the performance.
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Didn't Moore's law already end in 2012? I mean here we are, six years later, with "just" roughly twice the performance.
So how is it that Intel (biggest CPU maker ever) struggles so much and AMD will be out with 7nm next year?
Intel’s nodes are more dense, which is how they are so superlative in single core performance. Traditionally intels, say 22nm would be as dense as the competitions 14nm, and their 14nm is as dense as what TSMC offer at 10nm. With Intels 10nm, for whatever reason, they chose to go for an unusually ambitious 2.7x increase in density and it’s apparently this that is giving them issues, if Krzanich is to be believed.
Well I think it is valid to argue why a company should or would aggressively compete with itself.
As for the die shrink, there is more to it - as others have mentioned other companies are not finding it easier because they are working with different constraints (i.e. less dense chips).
Making a car that goes 200mph as light as possible is easier if your car only have 2 seats, vs someone who is creating a a car with 4 seats.
And you know that Intel didn't quite double it every two years for the past six years, right? I mean, at least not in any products they were actually shipping.
Yeah, just highlighted this as you talked about performance. This is not what the law said. Intel moved more to 2.5 years recently to double transistors.
The current state of Intel's 10 nm process is that it cannot yield properly, and that it will have lower transistor performance than 14++, which will mean - lower clocks at the same thermal package. And on 14nm+ you had 7th Gen(Kaby Lake architecture), 14++ is 6 core die(Coffee Lake), which is in 2018 MBPs.
IPC on the other hand will be higher. We are talking about 15% increase potentially. Most importantly, high Volume Manufacturing is Targeted at mid 2020, for Intel's 10 nm process. next year, wer may get low-power high price margin parts, that can consume the low yield of 10 nm process.
Don't count on silicon magic. Even TSMC appears to not hit its performance targets on 7 nm process. And they are WAY ahead of Intel in the front of silicon technology, right now.
2019 or not, coming from the 2016 MBP, I think I might be better off waiting for a bump in screen resolution at least, before considering an upgrade any more.
What I would like:
- screen resolution bump
- True Tone and OLED
- better graphics power
- 16GB standard RAM
- probably an even better/ redesigned keyboard
Till that happens, I think I should stick to my 2016 for my needs which are:
- content writing
- some graphics design such as logos, posters, banners for my own use and for clients
- internet surfing
- music
- videos
- I could say gaming, but I never really got to gaming ever since I left my Windows PC desktop behind.
So, while one might say that for a guy who uses the keyboard a lot, the new 2018 keyboard might work better and obviously the True Tone display can make things easier on the eyes if I do not need accurate color representation at the time, the machine that I have holds significant value for me till Apple goes ahead and makes the above changes, most notably a better screen with more resolution and standard 16GB RAM. They can keep the 3rd generation keyboard or 4th generation keyboard, I am fine with this keyboard. Planning to perhaps attach a mechanical keyboard for orgasmic typing pleasure anyway.
It is arguable that selling my current 2016 makes sense seeing as it fetches me $1300 today and I can sell the new 2018 notebook again for $1300-1500 in 2-3 years, therefore having an updated system all along in a span of 5 years, but the amount of cash I will need to dole out additionally today, to procure a 2018 notebook, and then selling and putting in additional money for the new notebook that I am waiting for, is going to be so high in my country that I might just save money today and earn interest on it for 2-3 years - that is going to get me close to 80-90% of the projected inflated price of a new notebook in 4 years, without spending anything more out of pocket today.
Additionally, I will get to keep this notebook or sell it, so the proceeds from this notebook will actually be a gain, not a loss, when I buy 4 years later.
I have to just keep repeating to myself - I do not *really* need the new notebooks. I do not *really* need the new notebooks. And, I and my bank account should be fine.
What I would like:
- screen resolution bump
- True Tone and OLED
- better graphics power
- 16GB standard RAM
- probably an even better/ redesigned keyboard
Till that happens, I think I should stick to my 2016 for my needs which are:
- content writing
- some graphics design such as logos, posters, banners for my own use and for clients
- internet surfing
- music
- videos
- I could say gaming, but I never really got to gaming ever since I left my Windows PC desktop behind.
So, while one might say that for a guy who uses the keyboard a lot, the new 2018 keyboard might work better and obviously the True Tone display can make things easier on the eyes if I do not need accurate color representation at the time, the machine that I have holds significant value for me till Apple goes ahead and makes the above changes, most notably a better screen with more resolution and standard 16GB RAM. They can keep the 3rd generation keyboard or 4th generation keyboard, I am fine with this keyboard. Planning to perhaps attach a mechanical keyboard for orgasmic typing pleasure anyway.
It is arguable that selling my current 2016 makes sense seeing as it fetches me $1300 today and I can sell the new 2018 notebook again for $1300-1500 in 2-3 years, therefore having an updated system all along in a span of 5 years, but the amount of cash I will need to dole out additionally today, to procure a 2018 notebook, and then selling and putting in additional money for the new notebook that I am waiting for, is going to be so high in my country that I might just save money today and earn interest on it for 2-3 years - that is going to get me close to 80-90% of the projected inflated price of a new notebook in 4 years, without spending anything more out of pocket today.
Additionally, I will get to keep this notebook or sell it, so the proceeds from this notebook will actually be a gain, not a loss, when I buy 4 years later.
I have to just keep repeating to myself - I do not *really* need the new notebooks. I do not *really* need the new notebooks. And, I and my bank account should be fine.
2019 or not, coming from the 2016 MBP, I think I might be better off waiting for a bump in screen resolution at least, before considering an upgrade any more.
What I would like:
- screen resolution bump
- True Tone and OLED
- better graphics power
- 16GB standard RAM
- probably an even better/ redesigned keyboard
Till that happens, I think I should stick to my 2016 for my needs which are:
- content writing
- some graphics design such as logos, posters, banners for my own use and for clients
- internet surfing
- music
- videos
- I could say gaming, but I never really got to gaming ever since I left my Windows PC desktop behind.
So, while one might say that for a guy who uses the keyboard a lot, the new 2018 keyboard might work better and obviously the True Tone display can make things easier on the eyes if I do not need accurate color representation at the time, the machine that I have holds significant value for me till Apple goes ahead and makes the above changes, most notably a better screen with more resolution and standard 16GB RAM. They can keep the 3rd generation keyboard or 4th generation keyboard, I am fine with this keyboard. Planning to perhaps attach a mechanical keyboard for orgasmic typing pleasure anyway.
It is arguable that selling my current 2016 makes sense seeing as it fetches me $1300 today and I can sell the new 2018 notebook again for $1300-1500 in 2-3 years, therefore having an updated system all along in a span of 5 years, but the amount of cash I will need to dole out additionally today, to procure a 2018 notebook, and then selling and putting in additional money for the new notebook that I am waiting for, is going to be so high in my country that I might just save money today and earn interest on it for 2-3 years - that is going to get me close to 80-90% of the projected inflated price of a new notebook in 4 years, without spending anything more out of pocket today.
Additionally, I will get to keep this notebook or sell it, so the proceeds from this notebook will actually be a gain, not a loss, when I buy 4 years later.
I have to just keep repeating to myself - I do not *really* need the new notebooks. I do not *really* need the new notebooks. And, I and my bank account should be fine.
All great here my list.
- Improved graphics GPU.
- LPDDR4 RAM
- 120Hz Promotion Display
- 8 Core 10nm CPU
Apple buyer have been stuck on 4 Core CPUs for 5+ years. In 2018 they got 1 year of a Six Core CPU But it will be short lived. Next years will be 8 Core.
A MacBook Pro that can run Fortnite at 30fps smoothly? geez, had no idea even the latest top end MBP's i9 struggle with a toyish juvenile looking game like Fortnite.
Imagine trying to run the upcoming EA Anthem game. Not that it will be available natively on Mac though.
Imagine trying to run the upcoming EA Anthem game. Not that it will be available natively on Mac though.
This has more to do with the GPU than the CPU, in tandem with the fact that the state of 3D gaming natively on the Mac is still relatively less than optimal.
Apple really could have opened up their platform if they had decided to push Vulkan (cross-platform, open-source competitor to DirectX) over Metal (proprietary API that means that things will translate better between iOS and macOS), but alas, they really want the walled garden.
Even if it could run Fortnite better, you shouldn’t only have a Mac if you’re a gamer, or buy one with the intention of playing games. Heck you shouldn’t be gaming on a laptop period lol
eGPUs solve that issue though, if someone inexplicably desires that route
I just can't believe that still in 2018 with top end MBP's that cost around $4K can't deliver the gaming performance on par or better than a $200-$300 Nintendo Switch portable console which in handheld mode is essentially a tablet.
I'm not a big gamer but I do want to play games on a laptop.
I'm not a big gamer but I do want to play games on a laptop.
If you’re not super heavy into it a windows gaming laptop can be a reasonable way to go for a more compact AIO solution. The 1060 Max Q laptops are pretty competent all rounders
Even the current 13" MBP does have a lot more GPU performance than the Nintendo Switch, let alone the CPU and memory, which are better by leaps and bounds. PC titles are just far less optimized for these "low end" GPUs since there's not really a need to do so.
I have a 2015 13 inch so the 2019 would be something I may consider depending on the cost and what they add to the MacBook Pro line. I am worried I will be priced out though. I did get 6 years from my HP laptop before my first MacBook ( the 2015) so we will see.
This has actually got very little to do with optimization and more with the ways games are coded for such platforms - for example, this explains why you can play Civ6 on an Ipad, but a 13'' laptop with Intel graphics will struggle to do it.
I've tried Civ 6 on both my second gen iPad Pro and a current 13" MacBook Pro, and it doesn't look nearly as good on the iPad. Although I do not disagree with you - there are a lot of advantages consoles and even iPads have over Macs when it comes to gaming, I just don't think Civilization is the best example.
2019 or not, coming from the 2016 MBP, I think I might be better off waiting for a bump in screen resolution at least, before considering an upgrade any more.
What I would like:
- screen resolution bump
- True Tone and OLED
- better graphics power
- 16GB standard RAM
- probably an even better/ redesigned keyboard
Till that happens, I think I should stick to my 2016 for my needs which are:
- content writing
- some graphics design such as logos, posters, banners for my own use and for clients
- internet surfing
- music
- videos
- I could say gaming, but I never really got to gaming ever since I left my Windows PC desktop behind.
So, while one might say that for a guy who uses the keyboard a lot, the new 2018 keyboard might work better and obviously the True Tone display can make things easier on the eyes if I do not need accurate color representation at the time, the machine that I have holds significant value for me till Apple goes ahead and makes the above changes, most notably a better screen with more resolution and standard 16GB RAM. They can keep the 3rd generation keyboard or 4th generation keyboard, I am fine with this keyboard. Planning to perhaps attach a mechanical keyboard for orgasmic typing pleasure anyway.
It is arguable that selling my current 2016 makes sense seeing as it fetches me $1300 today and I can sell the new 2018 notebook again for $1300-1500 in 2-3 years, therefore having an updated system all along in a span of 5 years, but the amount of cash I will need to dole out additionally today, to procure a 2018 notebook, and then selling and putting in additional money for the new notebook that I am waiting for, is going to be so high in my country that I might just save money today and earn interest on it for 2-3 years - that is going to get me close to 80-90% of the projected inflated price of a new notebook in 4 years, without spending anything more out of pocket today.
Additionally, I will get to keep this notebook or sell it, so the proceeds from this notebook will actually be a gain, not a loss, when I buy 4 years later.
I have to just keep repeating to myself - I do not *really* need the new notebooks. I do not *really* need the new notebooks. And, I and my bank account should be fine.
OLED would be a nice touch, but they're really expensive to make, especially at a laptop sized screen. Some phones have them now like the Google Pixels, Samsungs, latest Huawei's and iPhone X. Maybe like another 2-3 years off from seeing our first laptop OLEDs. That would be worth holding out for if you have a relatively modern specced laptop now, but I my 2013 MacBook Pro desperately needed a revamp upgrade like 2 years ago, but Apple keeps pumping out garbage laptops and software sigh. I'm lucky I found a relatively new specced out 2015 MBP with all of the included ports and comfy keyboard, now I just hope the deal goes smoothly.
Hah.
OLED would be a nice touch, but they're really expensive to make, especially at a laptop sized screen. Some phones have them now like the Google Pixels, Samsungs, latest Huawei's and iPhone X. Maybe like another 2-3 years off from seeing our first laptop OLEDs. That would be worth holding out for if you have a relatively modern specced laptop now, but I my 2013 MacBook Pro desperately needed a revamp upgrade like 2 years ago, but Apple keeps pumping out garbage laptops and software sigh. I'm lucky I found a relatively new specced out 2015 MBP with all of the included ports and comfy keyboard, now I just hope the deal goes smoothly.
I have mbp 15' late '13. What do you miss in your mbp, when you think of newer models?
Honestly, I doubt there are gonna be any massive changes until Apple switches to their own CPU. I've been waiting since 2013 and not much has changed in any one swoop. Largely, the Macbooks have tiny modifications each year but compounded they are huge. 2019 (or 2020) could have a chasis change. But more than likely, it'll come with problems. I'd say if you need a new laptop, just get it now rather than a constant ring of waiting and disappointment.
People tend to forget that Macbooks are MOBILE devices. If you're trying to do some hardcore work, build a desktop or buy an iMac. There's nothing wrong with wanting changes but some of you are expecting for Apple to break the law of physics. Apple only makes essentially two models of laptops and you can't get their OS on any other device. The only option you can have is getting, say, an XPS 13/15 (which is excellent btw).
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People tend to forget that Macbooks are MOBILE devices. If you're trying to do some hardcore work, build a desktop or buy an iMac. There's nothing wrong with wanting changes but some of you are expecting for Apple to break the law of physics. Apple only makes essentially two models of laptops and you can't get their OS on any other device. The only option you can have is getting, say, an XPS 13/15 (which is excellent btw).
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This is what i don't get. People whining about not being able to game on a Mac should just get an Alienware laptop. There are literally tons of solutions out there. I mean, yes the Macbook cook get gaming support but you'd loose the current form factor of the mac.