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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]

If Apple does release the redesigned 16" MBP this spring, I would probably wait a bit to purchase one in case they pull off another surprise update (ie Vega 20). I don't think there are any new dGPU's ready now other than what Apple is currently using. They probably won't use Nvidia's RTX dGPU's though that would be a pleasant surprise. The Radeon VII dGPU's for mobile probably won't be available until later this year.

Good news otherwise. Hopefully Apple wakes up and gets some mindshare back. I've been visiting a lot of schools that concentrate in programming and game development. Used to be dominated with MBP's. Nowadays I'm seeing a lot more students running windows devices.
 
If they do release a redesign, I will wait for 2-3 iterations before looking into one. I tend to avoid 1st gen products from any company, Apple included. But I would also like to know how it handles over time, since reliability isn't Apples strong side these days.
 
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c0ppo said:
If they do release a redesign, I will wait for 2-3 iterations before looking into one. I tend to avoid 1st gen products from any company, Apple included. But I would also like to know how it handles over time, since reliability isn't Apples strong side these days.
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I have a feeling that you might be right. I feel if they release a redesign this year, then it will be another 2016 in retrospect. But if they end up keeping a lot of the design elements from the current gen such as the tb3 ports, forced trackpads, overall design aesthetics, t2 chip, space grey finish, touchid etc then it might be worth buying since the updates would be evolutionary. It would build on what they have been already using, not changing everything altogether which would make it more prone to bugs and issues.

I still have a 2012 rmbp which was a 1st gen product at that time. I went through 7 replacements before finding a perfect screen free of dead pixels. All the previous 7 screens had screen defects. I also remember there were a lot of complaints from people who had lg screens w/ image retention, yellow tint issues vs people w/ samsung screens which did not have these issues.

I have a touchy feeling that if the redesign happens this year, then I'm inclined to say apple is trying to do damage control on mac's reputation in recent years since they came out w/ the butterfly keys by pulling their planned 2020 redesign a year ahead. They have gone through 3 iterations and still haven't gotten it right. Butterfly keys are not reliable and hence by replacing it w/ something completely new like the glass keyboards they recently patented will most likely be an attempt to put the keyboard issues to rest once and for all and win back those who left mac and hopped over to the land of windows after having bitter experiences w/ those unreliable keyboards.
 
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c0ppo said:
If they do release a redesign, I will wait for 2-3 iterations before looking into one. I tend to avoid 1st gen products from any company, Apple included. But I would also like to know how it handles over time, since reliability isn't Apples strong side these days.
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I bought my brothers MacBook Pro under the Kabylake generation and its been solid for him. I will wait until 2020 when we are supposed to be on the second generation of 10 NM I believe. I am going wait until late 2020 too just to avoid any buyers remorse and surprised updates. Definitely getting the 16 MBP and maybe upgrade my iPhone too.
 
Mr. Dee said:
I bought my brothers MacBook Pro under the Kabylake generation and its been solid for him. I will wait until 2020 when we are supposed to be on the second generation of 10 NM I believe. I am going wait until late 2020 too just to avoid any buyers remorse and surprised updates. Definitely getting the 16 MBP and maybe upgrade my iPhone too.
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I have the same MBPro as you do I suspect. Mine is working perfectly. There are things I do which push it reasonably hard on occasion, but I don't use mine professionally, so it doesn't matter if that audio transcode takes 3 minutes or 1.5 minutes. Given that the keyboard and ports work, I'm thinking the 2020 makes more sense too, though I'll stick with the 13".

The 2018 13" with the quad core was a significant step up. It has its issues, but I'm hoping that the 2019 resolves a lot of that.

Hopefully the 2019 is such a swing and a hit that I can pick up a refurbished one in 2020 and be able to trust it.
 
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vaugha said:
I also remember there were a lot of complaints from people who had lg screens w/ image retention, yellow tint issues vs people w/ samsung screens which did not have these issues.
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I had that issue. But it wasn’t a big problem. They swapped it for a samsung display and all was well.


vaugha said:
Butterfly keys are not reliable and hence by replacing it w/ something completely new like the glass keyboards they recently patented will most likely be an attempt to put the keyboard issues to rest once and for all and win back those who left mac and hopped over to the land of windows after having bitter experiences w/ those unreliable keyboards.
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Actually, that would make me drop mac for ever. And I doubt I would be alone in making that decision :)
 
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I was hoping for this. They can fit a 16"-16.5" screen in the current body size by making an edge to edge screen.

This + 10nm intel + Vega mobile 7nm + LPDDR4 will finally make one hell of a MBP upgrade which has been lacking for the past 3-4 iterations. I just hope they can fit all that in this update.
 
Plutonius said:
With the issues that the MacBook Pro has now, I'm not sure why anyone would purchase one now after hearing about a redesign for 2019.
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Well the redesign is still at least 4, more likely 6+ months away, so for anyone who needs to buy a new one right now and cannot wait another half a year, that seems like a pretty good reason.

Other than that though, I agree – anyone who's not in a hurry and can wait until (worst case) the end of the year probably should.

I'm still curious if only this new 16" machine will get that redesign while the 13" and 15" models will just be refreshed this year, of if they also get that new design, whatever it may entail. Or if, like some people suggested, the 16-16.5" one will actually be the new 15" one, just with smaller bezels but the same size (though considering how comparatively small he bezels already are, I have my doubts).
 
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i really dont want smaller bezels and same dimensions of the current 15" but into a 16.5" display
I want to keep the same bezels BUT so a little bit bigger than the current 15" BUT with that extra room make a proper cooling system to sustain the cpu/dgpu and battery...so from the current 83.6-watt to have again 9x watt battery
You will getting worse cooling if they just shrink the bezels and based on the 2018 model inside...you cant do more than 84W battery...and with an 16.5" display you are looking to around 5-6 hours battery life light usage and 2-3 hours of heavy usage if the heat is there
So, bottom line, the bezles are fine on the current models, its already a fashion product for those who like that kind of things...the thickness is slim enough...
 
fokmik said:
i really dont want smaller bezels and same dimensions of the current 15" but into a 16.5" display
I want to keep the same bezels BUT so a little bit bigger than the current 15" BUT with that extra room make a proper cooling system to sustain the cpu/dgpu and battery...so from the current 83.6-watt to have again 9x watt battery
You will getting worse cooling if they just shrink the bezels and based on the 2018 model inside...you cant do more than 84W battery...and with an 16.5" display you are looking to around 5-6 hours battery life light usage and 2-3 hours of heavy usage if the heat is there
So, bottom line, the bezles are fine on the current models, its already a fashion product for those who like that kind of things...the thickness is slim enough...
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Do you mean the bezel around the screen ?
 
fokmik said:
i really dont want smaller bezels and same dimensions of the current 15" but into a 16.5" display
I want to keep the same bezels BUT so a little bit bigger than the current 15" BUT with that extra room make a proper cooling system to sustain the cpu/dgpu and battery...so from the current 83.6-watt to have again 9x watt battery
You will getting worse cooling if they just shrink the bezels and based on the 2018 model inside...you cant do more than 84W battery...and with an 16.5" display you are looking to around 5-6 hours battery life light usage and 2-3 hours of heavy usage if the heat is there
So, bottom line, the bezles are fine on the current models, its already a fashion product for those who like that kind of things...the thickness is slim enough...
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IMO the best approach for more cooling would be go back to the 17.3 inch+ model and add cooling to the larger chasis
 
I hope apple will come back to Steve Jobs philosophy with the Mac line up :

- A more little macbook 12 " with arm and thunderbolt support
- MacBook Air 13" in a 12 " dimension (bezel free + micro led display + Face ID)
- MacBook Pro 14" in the current 13 " dimension => bezel free + micro led + Face ID + dedicated little graphic card + better battery life and better keyboard) => this one is for me !
- MacBook Pro 16" (in the current 15" dimension => bezel free + micro led + Face ID + dedicated big graphic card + better battery life and better keyboard)

- Mac mini (a little bit modular like the hdd + ram)
- iMac with 31" display + 25 " display (bezel free again and with Face ID again and big option (no need for an iMac + iMac pro => just an iMac with huge option)
- A real Mac Pro for the pro with big modular possibility !

+ 2 external monitor a 25 " display and a 31 " display (free bezel everywhere !!!)

=> And boom, you have a clean Mac line up for everyone ;)
 
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CYB3RBYTE said:
yes... y e s... YESSSSS!!!!!
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Yupp. That's what I want too. The 15" is too bulky for me unfortunately although I like the screen real-estate.
The current 13" form factor is actually perfect for me. I really like to carry it around because it's basically not a chore to simply carry it in my hand.
 
There is no chance this update would include 10nm Intel CPU's right? However it looks like they could manage to maybe get Navi GPU's in there?

I'm pretty much going to buy this update if they fix the keyboard but I'd be disappointed if the next update after had a massive CPU bump from 10nm.
 
Anything noticeably better coming from AMD by the end of the year for the next GPU?

Seems like 9th generation Intel isn't much of an improvement? So... maybe that's why Apple is redesigning the MacBook Pros somewhat early, to give an incentive this year to buy them despite not being all that much faster.

Dave2D (if you don't know his YouTube channel please check it out) did a great video on a theory of the redesign - to give the laptop a little bit bigger of a footprint to improve thermals. I somewhat agree. It's crazy that Intel is basically doing Skylake +++ now.... since 2015 Intel's architecture hasn't changed besides adding two cores (which was a pretty big boost, but the other upgrades are not noticeable at all).
 
cap7ainclu7ch said:
There is no chance this update would include 10nm Intel CPU's right? However it looks like they could manage to maybe get Navi GPU's in there?

I'm pretty much going to buy this update if they fix the keyboard but I'd be disappointed if the next update after had a massive CPU bump from 10nm.
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my understaning is :
Navi isn't until early q3/q4. And Intel won't have 10nm suitbale for MBP until next year on the currently 4x delayed schedule which may get delayed again.
 
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Both 10nm Intel CPU's and AMD's Navi are rumored for end of 2019.

Navi is rumored to be more geared towards gamers. I doubt Apple will use them in the MBP's. Probably use another variant of the Vega lines, since they offer more computational units (similar to Nvidia's CUDA) for professional use. Hopefully they will come out with a mobile variant of the Radeon VII. It's not a bad GPU just priced a little high.
 
Looking at the release model that Apple used for the iPhone X, they may release a single new 16" chassis this year emphasizing the bigger screen/better cooling/keyboard fixes etc (i.e. front facing consumer features).
They would also update the current 13/15 with the newest intel cpus.

Then in 2020, they can use the 10nm cpus from intel to do a performance iteration, similar to iPhone XS. At this point, they could also expand to the 13 inch (make it ->14 inch) and standardize the chassis across the product line.

It makes quite a bit of sense, as for most people, the first update is crucial as it addresses many of the key problems, while the second iteration then gives hardcore fans a reason also to upgrade or wait, and they would have to wait no matter what since they are constrained by intel. It satisfies most groups of people, while keeping interest and spending on the MBP line high.

Also, something to keep in mind is that the 2019 iteration may end up being a bit of a ginny pig to sort out design issues, but we all know how it goes with rev1 apple products.

Just a theory anyway :)
 
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jimmy43 said:
Looking at the release model that Apple used for the iPhone X, they may release a single new 16" chassis this year emphasizing the bigger screen/better cooling/keyboard fixes etc (i.e. front facing consumer features).
They would also update the current 13/15 with the newest intel cpus
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The 15” MacBook Pro will probably be the 16” version with reduced bezels. I can’t see them adding a new 16” and keeping the 13” and 15” around as well.
 
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Dave245 said:
The 15” MacBook Pro will probably be the 16” version with reduced bezels. I can’t see them adding a new 16” and keeping the 13” and 15” around as well.
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Yes it will be a laptop of the same size as the 15 inch, but a new design.
 
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