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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]
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Or maybe, just maybe... make it optional (ideally on all devices, particularly on desktop Macs aswell, not just MBPs) and please both camps – those who like it and those who don't?
I agree completely. I'm always for choice.
Problem is: Apple isn't. Apple was never about choice. It's their way or the highway.
So it will be either gimmicky TB, or function keys. My guess is that they are gonna keep the TB around, even though it's obviously a failure. Not even Apple has done anything with it since introduction. But they are gonna keep it, because Apple won't back out of their decision, even if it is a bad one
I just had a thought, what if this year Apple update the MacBook Pro and the 12” MacBook with thinner bezels?
Ming chi Kuo hasn’t said that the 12” MacBook will be getting a design change, but it didn’t get any update last year at all. I’m very interested to see what Apple plans for this year.
Ming chi Kuo hasn’t said that the 12” MacBook will be getting a design change, but it didn’t get any update last year at all. I’m very interested to see what Apple plans for this year.
My assumption has been the 12"MB will get a chip bump alongside the nTB Pro at some point this spring (probably just via press release, quite likely after a spring event). I don't think a redesign is on the cards just because it's been 18+ months, Apple have shown they are quite happy to let even some of their more prominent machines go this sort of interval between updates. My guess would be a 2020 redesign alongside A-series CPUs. In the medium term I could see the nTB pro continuing on as an entry level 13" MacBook Pro for those who still need Intel CPUs in the meantime, whilst the TouchBar model becomes the 14" MacBook Pro (with slightly bigger chassis allowing room for an entry level dGPU so it can compete with several Windows competitors that now offer this in this size class).
If these rumors turn out to be true and we get a 14 inch MBP in 2020, I'll be stoked
If these rumors turn out to be true and we get a 14 inch MBP in 2020, I'll be stoked
I don’t get why Apple wouldn’t do that this year, it would make sense to do it at the same time as the rumoured new design (ie 16” MacBook Pro).
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Leake...-June-launch-for-Intel-Ice-Lake.410639.0.html
Lenovo and Dell are pushing for i5 and i7 Ice Lake CPUs in June 2019, would think Apple wants to do the same for the 13" MBP. The LPDDR4 ram and 32gb limit of Ice Lake sounds like it matches with what Ming Chi Kuo predicted last week.
The 16" MBP redesign is probably a response to the thermal requirements of the new i9 8-core H series processors that run on Coffee Lake. Perhaps 2020 we will see the update for the 16" to have Ice Lake processors.
Lenovo and Dell are pushing for i5 and i7 Ice Lake CPUs in June 2019, would think Apple wants to do the same for the 13" MBP. The LPDDR4 ram and 32gb limit of Ice Lake sounds like it matches with what Ming Chi Kuo predicted last week.
The 16" MBP redesign is probably a response to the thermal requirements of the new i9 8-core H series processors that run on Coffee Lake. Perhaps 2020 we will see the update for the 16" to have Ice Lake processors.
Point well-made. Agreed w/ you on every single point. There's a good chance that 16" redesign is indeed to address the thermal limitations of the current design.
Either way, it will be a 1st gen product of its kind, so I will probably skip 2 years following the release just like I skipped 2016 and waited until 2019 to get one. 1st gen products are always most problematic in terms of reliability.
Engineering resources, maybe? They did the same thing in 2012, releasing the 15" retina Macbook Pro redesign (essentially the same as the 2015 design that is so popular). The 13" didn't get a Retina until 2013, if I recall correctly.
They're maybe testing out the new design with one computer. They did this before with the MacBook. Now they're doing it with the pro machine, since they know the pro's are the ones that are the most unhappy.
I know many pro users are disgustingly unhappy w/ the recent direction that apple has taken. Knowing macs only account for 10% of their total revenue which is far less than their iphone counterpart, I'm not surprised macs are not their focal point. But I did hear they are taking customer feedback seriously and made changes to their internal mac team recently.
I do hope that they will put the keyboard issues to rest once and for all and make less, but quality, reliable products and stop milking every godforsaken mac product into just "another one". Mac mini pro, anyone?
I do hope that they will put the keyboard issues to rest once and for all and make less, but quality, reliable products and stop milking every godforsaken mac product into just "another one". Mac mini pro, anyone?
These are good points actually. I didn't realise that they did the same thing with the 2012 15" Macbook Pro redesign, it will be really interesting to see this new design, i think a thinner bezel 16" Macbook Pro would be awesome.
I wonder when this new 16" will be announced? Ming Chi Kuo didn't give a time frame.
Looking at Apple's portfolio, hardware and software, I really feel the company is ****ed. I have a couple of friends who work for Apple in different capacities, and their description of how work there is like corroborates the incoherence and lack of vision and execution we are seeing. ****ing iTunes has been a UI and bug-ridden nightmare for years, but I've been noticing more and more problems lately.
And what model did you actually get this year (2019)? Cause some of the issues of 2016 models, are still here
UPDATE: Ok, I saw your model from your posts at other threads.. As you can see the "2 years skip" strategy in nowdays Apple, isn't bulletproof (e.g. speakers crackling, coil whine, keyboard, "flexgate").
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The skip two years sounds like a good idea. Though I think that it can be hard to wait. I'm going to continue using my 2014 and 2015 models for at least a few more years. The things discussed here sound great but I can certainly get by on what I have for a few more years. It's nice to have a lot of options in the used marketplace.
Wait, Ice Lake coming this year already? Aren't 9th gen Intel CPUs also expected for a Q2 launch? Why would they launch both series at the same time or am I completely dumb here and missing something?
And what model did you actually get this year (2019)? Cause some of the issues of 2016 models, are still here
UPDATE: Ok, I saw your model from your posts at other threads.. As you can see the "2 years skip" strategy in nowdays Apple, isn't bulletproof (e.g. speakers crackling, coil whine, keyboard, "flexgate").
Agreed that issues are still here. Personally the only issue I ran into w/ mine is the speakers. Even then it’s only intermittent. Coil whine is a non-issue for me. Keyboard, I have not experienced it yet. Flex gate, haven’t experienced it either. You missed my point, delayed buying gives them time to mature the product and minimize issues. I wish there was a formula that could make these laptops “bulletproof”.
What irritates is Apple has had since 2006 to mature the MBP and assure reliability, yet it's just getting worse
Apple put some effort in, didn't look to nickel and dime it's customer's at every opportunity, placed the product first again they might have a better chance of getting things right.
Q-6
there is - dont fix it if aint broken.
no one asked any thinner mbp, no one asked a new butterfly keyboard - the keyboard earlier was good - but they needed to take another micron away to get thinner chassis which affected that the keyboard needed to be replaced to fit the new thinner chassis, then they needed a new display cable to fit in thinner design. add a poor quality control in prototypes, or maybe a lack of listening quality control reports in prototypes and you have a formula for asking only but troubles which we have proven during couple of years now.
so what you're saying is the "formula" to solve this problem is to go back to the old design. that does not sound like a formula that they will use to address these issues to be honest w/ you.
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Apple has spent time focusing on the iPad and iPhone more than the Mac, i think they are starting to realise the mistakes they have been making. The new Mac Pro is due this year alongside a new display, maybe Apple will hold a "Pro" style event where they announce the new Mac Pro and the redesigned Macbook Pro with 16" display.
The Gen11 intel igpus leaked benchmarks seem promising:
https://wccftech.com/intel-gpu-iris...hics-benchmarks-leak-faster-than-amd-vega-11/
https://wccftech.com/intel-gpu-iris...hics-benchmarks-leak-faster-than-amd-vega-11/
Those are integrated GPUs. More likely on the 13". On the 15" and 16", they will probably have those in conjunction with a discrete GPU.
It’s interesting that Ming Chi Kuo said the 13” may get 32GB Ram, that would be killer for those that need it. A 13” MacBook Pro with quad core and up to 32GB ram really would be the ultimate portable powerhouse.
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