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As long as it doesn’t mean solid state touchscreen input it’s surely got to be better... ... ... doesn’t it?
Oh god..
I’m afraid to even think about it
Your claiming to know the reason Angela is leaving Apple. Pure speculation.
Secondly no I don’t, Ive came up with the design for the iMac. If it wasn’t for Johnny Ive Apple wouldn’t have most of the desings that have made their products popular. Jobs wasn’t a designer, he was a manager.
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Changing the keyboard yea, making it better and more reliable. I just don’t see them going back to the keyboard before the MacBook Pro 2016.
I agree there.
I hope they pop in the Magic Keyboard and call it good, which would bring back laptop/desktop keyboard parity again also.
Jony started working at Apple in Fall of 1992. If he was such a saviour, why did he let the company reach bankruptcy? Sorry, but I think you have a huge misunderstanding of how Apple's history works.
It was Steve Jobs company NeXT that Apple bought that infused the company with new talent.
It was Steve Jobs who recognised Ive has some talent that could be useful.
It was Steve Jobs who persuaded Bill Gates to invest $150 million dollars of Microsoft's own money to keep the company afloat and keep developing a Mac version of Office for 5 years with features unique to the Mac.
It was Steve Jobs who simplified the confusing product line into a simple matrix that everyone could understand.
It was Steve Jobs saw the power of file sharing networks like Kazaa and Napster and created an opportunity out of it to have a legitimate music store and persuade Music Industry execs and record companies to come on board.
It was Steve Jobs who realised PowerPC was going no where and kick started the transition to Intel.
It was Steve Jobs who realized the iPod was gonna be canabalized one day and approved the idea and the $150 million dollars to develop the iPhone.
I could go on and on, but without Steve Jobs 'just being a manager', Ive would be selling toilets in some no name store in Liverpool right now.
Lets not forget, it was Steve Jobs that co-founded Apple and Jony Ive who said himself, he was inspired by the work and people at Apple that he wanted to work there himself.
This is a myth. When MS invested, Apple still had approx. 1.2 billions in cash reserves. The investment was intended to increase trust in the platform (and on MS' part to settle the copyright dispute once and for all. It wasn't a move out of pure kindness as it is is often portrayed), but was by no means required to keep the company afloat.
Quote: "The day before the announcement Apple had a market cap of $2.46 billion,[64] and had ended its previous quarter with quarterly revenues of US$1.7 billion and cash reserves of US$1.2 billion,[65] making the US$150 million amount of the investment largely symbolic."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Inc.#Microsoft_deal
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Ive couldn’t do anything about Apple reaching Bankruptcy! he wasn’t CEO or even high enough at that time to have any pull.
Jobs was a great manager but he wasn’t a designer, Ive came up with the iMac which helped Apple get back on track, it was the best Mac at the time. Who designed it? Ive did. Who’s idea was it? Ives.
I’m not saying Jobs wasn’t great at what he did, BUT he was also wrong! he also made big mistakes. It was team effort and not just Jobs and the story’s of how he singlehandedly saved Apple
Let’s not forget that it was Steve Jobs AND Steve Wozniak that founded Apple.
I’m hoping the redesign rumour is true. I would love to see a 16” screen in the current 15” form factor, reduced bezels, Face ID would also be nice
I clearly said in my previous reply Steve Jobs 'co-founded' Apple. Why the tunnel vision?Ive couldn’t do anything about Apple reaching Bankruptcy! he wasn’t CEO or even high enough at that time to have any pull.
Jobs was a great manager but he wasn’t a designer, Ive came up with the iMac which helped Apple get back on track, it was the best Mac at the time. Who designed it? Ive did. Who’s idea was it? Ives.
I’m not saying Jobs wasn’t great at what he did, BUT he was also wrong! he also made big mistakes. It was team effort and not just Jobs and the story’s of how he singlehandedly saved Apple
Let’s not forget that it was Steve Jobs AND Steve Wozniak that founded Apple.
I know Apple's success is based on team work, but I will give Steve Jobs significant ultimate credit for co-founding and and bringing this company back from near extinction. Also, please don't use that line about Steve Jobs not being a great designer, again, you are starting to sound like a post 'Apple Watch' era user.
Steve Jobs understood design, hence the Mac being the first mainstream computer to pioneer the GUI. Like he said in that interview with Rob Cringely, he knew the moment he saw the Xerox Alto at Xerox Parc this is how all computers would work. His love love of proportionally spaced fonts, the aesthetic of objects on the screen, rounded corners and making things simple. I am surely not denying Jony Ive's significant contribution, but you are responding like Steve Jobs was just an expendable minor part of Apple's existence.
I fear this type of thinking and I am starting to reconsider my thoughts on Tim Cook remembering Steve on his birthday and death. Because, with the way you are responding, its concerning. Also, lets not forget, Apple hasn't really hit ball out the park since October 2011. <clears throat>.
"Guys - I'm thinking we could go thinner on the keyboards...it just feels mushy typing on these 2018 keys... did you guys realize they move? yeah - the keys move.... Surely we can innovate there, right?"
"What about no keyboard and people could connect one with a new proprietary dongle?"
"I never type anyways - I just have my assistant do it - people should just do that"
"What about no keyboard and people could connect one with a new proprietary dongle?"
"I never type anyways - I just have my assistant do it - people should just do that"
fwiw, here my gut feeling about the 2019 MBP timeline:
- April/May will see the expected press-release update of the current design models with 9th gen Intel CPUs and nothing else really (outside of 32GB option for the 13") - base models will now carry a 512GB SSD (Wishful thinking, I know, but it is time)
- the rumored 16" model will come in H2 and will sport an Ice-Lake chip and a new design.
- H1 2020 will see the 13" model being replaced with a 14" one and the 15" will be then finally replaced by more options on the 16" one
- April/May will see the expected press-release update of the current design models with 9th gen Intel CPUs and nothing else really (outside of 32GB option for the 13") - base models will now carry a 512GB SSD (Wishful thinking, I know, but it is time)
- the rumored 16" model will come in H2 and will sport an Ice-Lake chip and a new design.
- H1 2020 will see the 13" model being replaced with a 14" one and the 15" will be then finally replaced by more options on the 16" one
Interesting, thanks. The 13" definitely came after the 15", but I didn't realize it was later the same year.
Agree this is quite reasonable. (Not sure about 512GB SSD for the same price as the current 256GB, but that would definitely be nice.)
I think this is less likely, unfortunately. All the announcements/leaks/rumors point to only low powered (15W) Ice Lake chips launching this year. The 15" MBP uses high-power 45W mobile chips, and presumably a 16" MBP would not use a less powerful chip than the 15". 45W Ice Lake chips have not been announced, but pundits seem to feel next year is very likely.
If there are indeed 16" and 14" options coming, I expect it will happen something like this, with the newer models initially arriving in addition to current models, and slowly phasing out the older models over time.
I didn't say that Steve Jobs wasn't great at what he did for Apple, your making it sound like he was the one that came up with ideas and saved Apple singlehanded from extinction. Steve did some great things, he also did some not so great things.
I like Tim Cook, i think he's a great CEO, let's not forget it was Steve Jobs who hand picked Cook for CEO.
As for not hitting it out of the park, have you not used the Apple Watch? it's a great device, Airpods also, iPad Pro is another one.
Let's not go back and forth, in this thread we are in danger of going off topic
let's just agree to disagree. On topic tho, if Ming Chi Kuo is correct with his timing, the new 16" Macbook Pro could very well be a great laptop (after the mistakes Apple have made they need it).
If Apple only knew how many users are happy with their pre-2016 MacBook Pro's, they should have a serious cause for concern.
Yep - I love my 2015 MBP and refuse to give it up. Keyboard is great. Track-pad is the perfect size. Still have all the ports I use and need without adapters and dongles. Mag-Safe....etc. Apple logo lights up
I've owned a 2015, and I own a 2017, both 15" high-end stock models. I wouldn't say the 2015 is a clearly better machine at all - both have pluses and minuses.
Keyboard: Both are laptop keyboards, neither one is a ThinkPad (or maybe some weird PC laptops with mechanical keyboards), thereby both are sort of acceptable. I actually think the 2017 has a better feel, but it is prone to a bit of stickiness - which always clears up quickly.
Ports: The 2015 certainly has an easier to live with set of ports - regular USB is useful, especially for flash drives. HDMI is useful, and the SD reader is useful (although cameras are moving away from SD to XQD/CFExpress, if slowly). On the other hand, the 2017 has more flexible and faster ports - those TB3/USB 3.1 ports will adapt to anything. One huge advantage to the 2017 is very fast, relatively cheap external storage. USB 3.1 is fast enough for modest-sized RAIDs of hard drives, and for all but the fastest single SSDs. TB3 is fast enough for anything. Yes, the 2015 has TB2 ports, but storage for those is more expensive than USB 3.1 and slower than TB3. USB 3.0 is fast enough for single hard drives and relatively slow dual hard drives, but little else. You can attach more displays to a 2017.
Speed: Even a 2017 (still a quad core, still an older Radeon Pro 560) is noticeably faster (20-30%) than a 2015. A 6-core 2018, especially with a Vega, would probably be quite a bit faster still. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the 2019 8-core double the speed of the 2015.
Keyboard: Both are laptop keyboards, neither one is a ThinkPad (or maybe some weird PC laptops with mechanical keyboards), thereby both are sort of acceptable. I actually think the 2017 has a better feel, but it is prone to a bit of stickiness - which always clears up quickly.
Ports: The 2015 certainly has an easier to live with set of ports - regular USB is useful, especially for flash drives. HDMI is useful, and the SD reader is useful (although cameras are moving away from SD to XQD/CFExpress, if slowly). On the other hand, the 2017 has more flexible and faster ports - those TB3/USB 3.1 ports will adapt to anything. One huge advantage to the 2017 is very fast, relatively cheap external storage. USB 3.1 is fast enough for modest-sized RAIDs of hard drives, and for all but the fastest single SSDs. TB3 is fast enough for anything. Yes, the 2015 has TB2 ports, but storage for those is more expensive than USB 3.1 and slower than TB3. USB 3.0 is fast enough for single hard drives and relatively slow dual hard drives, but little else. You can attach more displays to a 2017.
Speed: Even a 2017 (still a quad core, still an older Radeon Pro 560) is noticeably faster (20-30%) than a 2015. A 6-core 2018, especially with a Vega, would probably be quite a bit faster still. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the 2019 8-core double the speed of the 2015.
Yeah, I kind of feel the same but about my 2018 MBP – for me, its' trackpad is the perfect size, not sure why so many people like their fingers being crammed into the tiny rectangle of the 2015 MBPs but of course, to each their own. I love the freedom for gestures and dragging stuff around that the new big trackpads provide, without ever hitting the edges.Yep - I love my 2015 MBP and refuse to give it up. Keyboard is great. Track-pad is the perfect size. Still have all the ports I use and need without adapters and dongles. Mag-Safe....etc. Apple logo lights up
Keyboard is a bit of a mixed bag – the 2018's feels clearly superior to type on than the wobbly, mushy keys of my previous 2014 one, plus it looks nicer with the backlight and all, but the downside are the reliability issues, of course. I personally hadn't had any of them thus far, so I like the new keyboard, but I totally see how that sympathy can quickly turn into dislike and hatred when someone runs into dysfunctional or double-typing keys.
Can't say that the port situation is much of a nuisance for me, I've personally just switched all my external hard drives to USB-C (not that I use them all that often anyway at the moment). Personally I find USB-C as a charging method more convenient, being able to plug the cable into every port and both sides of the device and all that. I also prefer the new Apple logo to the old illuminated one, though of course that's purely personal taste.
Display is lovely, performance is great (and more than enough for me), speakers sound awesome. SSD speeds are also the bomb, though I'd personally be fine with a slightly worse and slower SSD if it means that the higher storage configurations are a couple hundred dollars cheaper. I don't think the average user of the new MBA or even an entry-level MBP requires the same pricey high-end SSDs that the iMac Pro has. But of course, Apple likes to use the most expensive SSDs to charge people the most, nowadays.
Do you guys know what changes are coming to the 13-inch? Why will it be able to accept 32GB RAM?
What is the new processor? I'm talking about the upcoming "update", not the redesign.
Is it gonna be a significant speed update?
What is the new processor? I'm talking about the upcoming "update", not the redesign.
Is it gonna be a significant speed update?
the 2019 changes are the MBP13" will be 16"
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he sure does puts the ass in assistant
Think you know more or less as much as anyone else - the rumour we had suggests it's staying a 13", which further suggests no form factor change (yet) - this would mirror 2012 when the 15" was redesigned into the retina machine, but the 13" took another year to get the same treatment. Speed update will likely be marginal again, we've had the big gain from going to quad cores already, possibly the single significant change sounds like LPDDR4 support to unlock 32GB RAM as an option. I'd suggest this year we might see the upper tier stock model ($1,999) get 16GB RAM as standard for the so you (might be able to) get a 13" with 16GB without having to BTO for the first time.
The big change will probably be a redesign into a 14" pro next year - with that I would expect a slightly larger chassis allowing apple to include a low end dGPU which is something a lot of Windows competitors are now offering, but I don't think would be possible with the current 13" machines.
they'll probaly mirror what they did with ipads.
the 13 inch gets reduced bezels and thus a smaller form factor. so if ya want small you get even smaller
15 inch gets reduced bezels, same form factor, larger screen to 16
I can see this redesign and 16” screen MacBook Pro being announced alongside the new Mac Pro. Possibly at WWDC or an October event.