Still based on 14nm though right? It'll be interesting to see how that compares to Sunny Cove.
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Still based on 14nm though right? It'll be interesting to see how that compares to Sunny Cove.
Comet Lake is indeed on 14nm, but with some minor tweaks and optimization to reduce power consumption. Interestingly, Comet Lake also includes a quad-core 5W chips for the regular 12-inch MacBooks.
Sunny Cove will definitely improve IPC and include larger cache, but high power chips won’t be ready until late 2020 or early 2021. Intel will probably start off with 5-15W chips which are not really suitable for MacBooks. Apple also has the tendency to use faster GTe3 iGPU for the 13 inch models which will take even longer to release....
The 2018 specifically doesn't use "top-end laptop chips", it uses a desktop CPU and finally provided a solution for those who want a high cpu/memory configuration without crazy dual quadraphonic cross stitched GPUs like the Mac Pro and iMac Pro have 'forced' for several years now.
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They're less common still but definitely available. Heck I found a SanDisk one with both connectors on it, and it's tiny.
Type-A connector and Type-C Connector, respectively. Banana, EarPods and map of the Atlantic for scale.
Good god! That banana is bigger than Brazil! And how are you supposed to get those EarPods into your ear!?
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A quad core in the new Air would have made it a far stronger release IMO.
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A quad core in the new Air would have made it a far stronger release IMO.
Is Sunny Cove expected to be that late for the high power chips? I had been thinking mid-2020... If we're really looking al late 2020/early 2021, we'll something like the following:
Mid-2019: Comet Lake MBPs - 8 core 16" (redesign), possibly 6 core 13" (redesign?)... Better hope we like them, because they're going to stay a while. Possibly Comet Lake MacBook as well (either a Comet Lake MacBook in mid 2019 or a Sunny Cove MacBook in early 2020, but not both).
2020: MacBook either in the beginning of the year (Sunny Cove) or the end of the year (ARM). If MacBook goes to Comet Lake in 2019, the next one will probably be ARM in late 2020 - if it holds out for Sunny Cove, ARM will be in 2021. Note NO high-power laptops in 2020.
2021: ARM MacBook if it isn't here already, Sunny Cove MBPs relatively early in the year.
If Apple thinks the Sunny Cove MBPs will be delayed until 2021, that's a very good reason why they might launch a redesign in 2019...
Mid-2019: Comet Lake MBPs - 8 core 16" (redesign), possibly 6 core 13" (redesign?)... Better hope we like them, because they're going to stay a while. Possibly Comet Lake MacBook as well (either a Comet Lake MacBook in mid 2019 or a Sunny Cove MacBook in early 2020, but not both).
2020: MacBook either in the beginning of the year (Sunny Cove) or the end of the year (ARM). If MacBook goes to Comet Lake in 2019, the next one will probably be ARM in late 2020 - if it holds out for Sunny Cove, ARM will be in 2021. Note NO high-power laptops in 2020.
2021: ARM MacBook if it isn't here already, Sunny Cove MBPs relatively early in the year.
If Apple thinks the Sunny Cove MBPs will be delayed until 2021, that's a very good reason why they might launch a redesign in 2019...
I'd be more worried about that ominous red line going down the eastern side of the Atlantic, if that's your take on this..
I bought a 2018 MBP last year but I was this close to going with an XPS or another good windows laptop for a while since they are just offering such a good value for a much lower price compared to the MBP.
A decade ago, Apple's laptops where the best-in-class – they may have been, say, 20% more expensive, but therefore they were about 50% better in a lot of areas than almost anything else on the market, roughly speaking. They weren't completely devoid of issues, but still much more issue-free and reliable than a lot of other machines – you paid more, but it was easy to pinpoint what you were getting for it. Nowadays, you pay like 40-50% more than for other laptops with comparable specs, and you get like 10-20% more out of it in some areas, and even a little less in others (e.g. the keyboard with its high failure rates, or the fact that many comparable laptops have a 4K display nowadays)?
I mean, I get it – the big advantage is macOS, and that's also one of the main reasons why I have a 2018 MBP sitting here right now and not an equivalent Windows one. But from a pure hardware-perspective, what are you getting for the heavy price-up over competitors? The trackpad is still leagues ahead of the competition, okay, but other than that, the differences have been getting smaller and smaller over the years, whereas the price difference (and failure rate, at least since a few years) has become larger and larger.
A number of laptop manufactures suggested that Ice Lake CPUs should be available by summer. So this is the earliest expected release time for Apple as well, The question is, which CPUs are those going to be. Apple so far has used the higher-end CPU versions in the MBP, and Intel usually releases the low-power variants first...
Are we sure reliability is worse? I have a 2016, now with the 2017 keyboard. The replacement keyboard seems to me about the same as previous models of MBP and Thinkpads I have owned. Occasionally a crumb gets under the key, you stomp on the key, blow and shake a little and the problem goes away. Happened once or twice a year for me, now and before.
2016 model I agree was more sensitive and there seemed to be more permanent damage to keys. Apple swapped out my original top case and also the display after a year, great service.
The typing feel seems to be a love or hate thing. Personally I prefer it to my 2014 MBPs mushy keys. Dug out an old Thinkpad T400 some time ago. What a different feel!
There seems to be something more going on with the keyboard, that I have not experienced. Is the problem heat that damage to the keys or people typing very hard or some other factor.
My wish for 2019. Basically keep the current model, extend the screen to 16. Increase the height slightly to allow for a longer key stroke and make the keyboard a replaceable part to bring down service cost. This will probably also result in a sturdier keyboard.
Most other things I like and think Apple found a nice balance between power and portability.
2016 model I agree was more sensitive and there seemed to be more permanent damage to keys. Apple swapped out my original top case and also the display after a year, great service.
The typing feel seems to be a love or hate thing. Personally I prefer it to my 2014 MBPs mushy keys. Dug out an old Thinkpad T400 some time ago. What a different feel!
There seems to be something more going on with the keyboard, that I have not experienced. Is the problem heat that damage to the keys or people typing very hard or some other factor.
My wish for 2019. Basically keep the current model, extend the screen to 16. Increase the height slightly to allow for a longer key stroke and make the keyboard a replaceable part to bring down service cost. This will probably also result in a sturdier keyboard.
Most other things I like and think Apple found a nice balance between power and portability.
What are the odds we'll actually see an 8G or 16g video card option in the next 15inch (or 16inch) MacBook Pro? I'm dual booting a 2017 15inch MacBook Pro with Windows 10 for the occasional FPS and 4G video barely cuts it sometimes. Due to physical space limitations it doesn't make sense for me to have a Windows only laptop or an iMac with better specs.
Your post nails it.
In 2008 I got a Dell and my wife got a MacBook. The Dell died in its first year and was repaired under warranty. It died permanently a few years later. The MacBook is still daily driven to this day.
Then there’s the fact that the unibody construction was miles better and the screen contrast was also an order of magnitude better. The Dell looked like it had vellum paper glued to the screen.
Your percentages seem right on. Previously, you paid a chunk more and the benefits were easy to identify. There was still real value despite the higher price. Now, it seems like you’re paying an even bigger markup just for the privilege of macOS.
The thing is I think Apple rely on MacOS a lot, Windows 10 is just terrible in my opinion. I had a MacBook Pro 2011, it lasted from that year until late last year, that’s 7 years of daily use, that is well worth the price.
If I brought a MacBook Pro now and it lasted the same amount of time, I would still consider it worth the price, even at Apples current pricing. MacOS is the reason!
Apple didn’t make 16 GB the default until the 2014 15 inch model, so, you probably won’t see that until 2020 if at all. I would hope with the 16 inch config, they would make it default. But, with Apple, you probably would have to pay near or $3,000 for it.The best I could hope for is that one of the standard models gets 32GB RAM. Those models get deep discounts here in Belgium, but the BTO models stay around the Apple price. That makes a 32GB upgrade around €1000 for me, not the official €480
It's just a joke these days, Apple is literally milking us dry. I've no problem with a high entry price as long as the value is present as my notebooks are working systems and pay for themselves. I do know one thing the upcoming MBP better be ****ing spectacular.
Unfortunately I've a feeling that I'm pissing into the wind, as all we'll get is another FarceBook...
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I think that's the key here - if they want to charge £2,349 price of admission, fine. But for that at least give us vaguely the specs you'd expect from a two and a half thousand pound computer. A 256GB SSD for nearly two and a half grand? Seriously? You want to up it to a somewhat more reasonable 512GB, and it's another £180 and you have to BTO, or, you have to go for the £2,700 model with questionable CPU clock speed upgrades also built in - what? It's like the 16GB iPhone 6s again, they try to get away with it until it becomes absolutely outrageous. Hell, if they even iPhone 6s'd the storage tiers and gave you 1TB in the higher tier model or for an extra ~£200 that would be something at least.
I'm on a 2012 MBP and in the market for an upgrade. Gonna go ahead and wait for WWDC to see what happens. Really hoping for a 16" upgrade. Something that's not just a moderate upgrade. All the reviews of the 2016-2018 MBP's have been pretty underwhelming and for that price I really need something amazing that I'm going to love and that will last me another 6-8 years. (My personal upgrade cycle). I do iOS Development, and need the power and the screen real estate.
Everyone seems to think it's possible that we'll get that MBP Upgrade this year, right!? #pray
Everyone seems to think it's possible that we'll get that MBP Upgrade this year, right!? #pray
Simple monopolies never serve the customer, only way Apple will change is when people vote with their wallets. Until then Apple wont give a flying ****...
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I would say yes this year and yes to some time around June - July at the latest mid august. Personally i am about to return my 2018 this coming week - i love and enjoy it but i am very weary of issues cropping up and know for a fact when that 16" comes out ill have wished i returned this one. (assuming i dont)
in the mean time my girlfriend will let me use her surface laptop (#blessedtohavealaptoptouse).
i also came from a 2012 rMBP that broke but had it till last September... such a tank, i loved that machine.
I would be VERY surprised if we see an ARM Cpu in the rumored 16.5" MBP this year already.
I really hope they did with the MacBook Pro what they did with the iPad Pro. I would love a 14" in the body of a 13" and a 16" in the body of a 15".
Don't know if anyone already commented on that but I noticed something interesting concerning a possible release date.
Looking at the average number of days between Macbook Pro updates in the Buyers guide, and extrapolating this number to the next update, the upcoming release would fall on June 6th, that's exactly at WWDC, so it is not unlikely that we could see a Macbook Pro update during WWDC.
Looking at the average number of days between Macbook Pro updates in the Buyers guide, and extrapolating this number to the next update, the upcoming release would fall on June 6th, that's exactly at WWDC, so it is not unlikely that we could see a Macbook Pro update during WWDC.