Where are you reading this exactly? His latest comments didn’t say that the chassis design isn’t until 2021.
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/04/08/kuo-6k-display-q2-q3-2019-new-macbook-pro-2021/
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Where are you reading this exactly? His latest comments didn’t say that the chassis design isn’t until 2021.
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/04/08/kuo-6k-display-q2-q3-2019-new-macbook-pro-2021/
I was just inferring based on the mention of new display technology and a new size coming in 2021. Of course it's possible that there is a lesser redesign before that. But you'd think he'd mention that before mentioning these later changes.
Anyway, we'll find out. I'm just not so confident that the keyboard will actually change significantly any time soon.
The redesign with the 16" Macbook Pro that was reported by Ming Chi Kuo, is still for this year apparently. The 2021 display updates are separate Macbook updates. The keyboard will probably be redesigned this year.
My hope for this year is that they fix the keyboard on ALL the MacBooks. From the 12” MacBook, the new Air and the MacBook Pro. That’s what I’m waiting for before buying a MacBook.
I think that could be why there is a rumoured redesign, Apple probably know that they can’t fix the keyboard issues without a redesign.
I think that could be why there is a rumoured redesign, Apple probably know that they can’t fix the keyboard issues without a redesign.
My understanding is there was a loss in the translation.
He indicated the mini LED 16 inch MBP would be '20 to '21---I think the 16 inch is still a go for this year. In other words, 16 inch for this year, but 16 inch with the new screen tech is a year or two away and after it goes into the iMac and stand alone display.
I think they will move heaven and Earth to get a re-designed keyboard out this year. That WSJ article by Joanna Stern was really brutal. I mean, like hitting someone in the testicles with a spiked bat. They have to be cringing in Cupertino.
Yea I’m not expecting a dramatic redesign, I do think they have to redesign the housing tho. My guess is we could see something at WWDC, I don’t think Apple will want to wait too long, especially with these damaging reports and articles by tech journalists and YouTubers.
I didn't realise that, thought the 2021 rumour superseded it. That potentially makes things more interesting this year again, then.
I'm inclined to agree - the 2018 machine is already significantly different internally despite looking the same externally, so they don't necessarily just use the exact same casing 4 years in a row. I could potentially see a 'gen 4 butterfly' upped to 1.0mm of travel for more robust actuation tolerances, with the extra 0.5mm just added to the chassis without being explicitly mentioned. Yes, I've noticed an increasing number of tech reviewers are posting stinging videos slamming the KB so 'nothing' isn't really an option any longer. If they do just release new butterfly models this year, I think they're going to be roundly panned.
What I've been saying is Apple is going to make "Pro" a substantial part of WWDC.
New Mac Pro? Will be announced and revealed.
New pro display? Will be announced and revealed.
New iMac Pro? Will be announced and revealed and I think the design will mimic the pro display, which means a re-design.
New MBP? Yes, announced and revealed.
I think you'll be upgrading this summer.
I probably will be. My 2018's already had keyboard problems and has had the keyboard replaced once.
I'm now noticing additional problems two or three weeks later.
Have AppleCare and it's still under warranty, but it's a real pain to lose the machine for days on end, because for whatever reason, Apple just won't perform an in store repair.
IF this happens, i will be buying a new Macbook that's for sure. It really depends on what this new 16" redefined Macbook Pro will be. Maybe Apple will thin down the bezels on the current 15" and that will make way for the 16" screen.
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Also it's the 30th year of WWDC, don't know if this will mean anything to Apple. Phil Schiller was also hyping up 2019 WWDC on a podcast. Maybe we will see some great hardware?
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...il-schiller-hypes-2019-wwdc-in-rare-interview
I agree it's unlikely to look (much) different - indeed I don't think it needs to yet, it's still a beautiful machine. But while I think we will keep the design language, I can see the display assembly being redesigned around an ~16.5" rounded-corner panel, and the bottom portion of the machine made a fraction of a mm deeper to accommodate a new slightly deeper butterfly gen 4 (I think a large part of the problem is just that the mechanism moves so little there's very little leeway if anything gets in underneath). There's precedent for something like this - the first 13" retina Pro was slightly thicker than all the following ones, and lasted less than a year on sale before they replaced it with the thinner design. This design could then have a few iterations until being properly redesigned and replaced a year late in 2021.
I think this is a reasonable forecast.
The MBP is a pretty machine—they just need a way to deepen the keyboard and ditch the bezels.
So it’s highly likely apple will announce the 16 inch MacBook Pro sometime in June rather than later this year? Like in
September or October. ?
September or October. ?
No one on this forum will be able to give you a definite answer, we are all guessing and giving our opinions. My thinking is that a new Macbook Pro would come around WWDC, the last Macbook Pro update was last July. After the trashing that Apple has been getting with the Macbook Pro just lately from tech YouTubers and bloggers, i think it's safe to assume that Apple will want to at least fix the keyboard issue as soon as possible.
This years WWDC is the 30th year, that could mean nothing, however Apple have already said that the Mac Pro and a Mac Pro display will be coming in 2019. What better time to announce and update the Pro lineup than at WWDC?
Mac Pro with a new design
Mac Pro display
Macbook Pro with a redesign (including the keyboard fix)
iMac Pro (possibly) - altho i'm not really sure about this one since they updated the iMac with a spec bump not long ago.
OR if Apple needed more time they could wait until October and hold a "Pro" focused event, however i don't think they will want to wait that long.
I expect a redesign as well after they publicly apologized for the KB issues. They won't go with the same KB design after this.
Gen 4 with MUCH improvement would be the least expected. I think the redesign is coming early because of the keyboard issues, maybe they can't fix it without a new design.
MBP being "not reliable" has become the mainstream thing.
They would be stupid if they don't improve anything this year. BUT... this is Apple we are talking,
with a proven record of being stupid.
iPhone is being killed by everybody (new Huawei with a revolutionary new camera and great night mode),
still no improvements are planned for the 2019 model apparently.
They would be stupid if they don't improve anything this year. BUT... this is Apple we are talking,
with a proven record of being stupid.
iPhone is being killed by everybody (new Huawei with a revolutionary new camera and great night mode),
still no improvements are planned for the 2019 model apparently.
While I hope that you're right, the counter-argument to a release in June is that redesigns for Macs and iPads have conventionally taken longer than a year. For example, while the 2015 MacBook Pros (the last of their design generation) were released in March and May respectively, the 2016 MBPs were announced in October of 2016, almost 1.5 years later. Similarly, the 2017 iPad Pros were released in June 2017 (roughly a year after the previous generation), but the 2018 iPad Pros took until October of 2018. There are exceptions, but redesigns generally take Apple a little longer than more marginal upgrades.
Now the 2018 MBPs were released in July, but towards the end of it. With the WWDC starting at the 3rd of June this year, this would mean that a potential redesigned MBP would come just 10 months after the previous generation, even less than one full year. It would be an unusually short timespan for a redesign. Maybe you're right in that Apple wants to get this update (with a fixed keyboard) out as soon as possible, but then again, redesigns take time and the butterfly keyboard has been around since March of 2015, so I doubt a few months more would concern Apple that much. And up until now, MBP redesigns have happened every four years, so a redesign in fall 2019 will already break habit and be earlier than expected.
I would be totally onboard for you being right and a release happening at WWDC, but realistically, unless we get some rumors pointing to a WWDC release in the next couple of weeks, I would rather expect a release in fall, maybe at an October event, all things considered.
Man I am getting the newer model with or without the 16 inch redesign
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So this year nevertheless?
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So this year nevertheless?
You could very well be right. The reason i think at least a fix for the keyboard is coming sooner rather than later, is because of the bad press they are getting. Apple tends to listen when famous tech bloggers and YouTubers call them out, Joanna Stern did just that in the Wall Street Journal not that long ago. I'm sure Apple has seen it and they are probably not happy at all. The same thing happened when the Dave2D made a video about the thermal issue on the i9 Macbook Pro last year, Apple even said that they were working with Dave2D in order to find a fix.
Again i would agree with you on an October event if this was a normal update year, however we have already heard from Apple that the Mac Pro is a 2019 thing (as is the new Pro display), about a month or two ago there was talk that Apple were looking at an announcement for WWDC. IF Apple do announce the Mac Pro at WWDC, it would also make sense for them to also announce the new Macbook Pro at the same event.
The redesign for the Macbook Pro would ordinarily be expected for next year (2020), the very reliable Ming Chi Kuo has said that Apple are working on it for this year. My guess is that with all the keyboard issues, Apple last year looked at what was happening, put that membrane into the keyboard in the hope that it would be a fix, while they work on a new design. Maybe Apple then decided to pour more resources into the new design and bring it forward from 2020. Apple have an enormous amount of resources so this wouldn't be out of the question. Especially if it's a tweak to the externals, after all what else can they do apart from thin down the bezels and tweak the external case?
It's going to be interesting to see what happens in the coming months. Personally i do hope Apple get on with it and fix the keyboard issues. I REALLY want to come back to the Macbook family (previously used a Surface Pro 6 which was a failure for me) but i'm waiting on a fix for the keyboard before doing so.
Just watched a video on MBPs and it said that the 16.5 screen is this year and that the redesign is for 2020/2021. Rumor that the ARM transition will start in 2020 (which likely means that they wouldn't ship until 2021). All of you may already know these rumors but I've been busy with taxes the past few days.
Hi sorry for being curious but I can’t help to notice you have both the 2014 and 2015 MacBook Pro. I am just wondering what is the motivation to get a new MacBook Pro that’s 1 generation newer? Thanks!
Ming Chi Kuo has said the redesign 16” to 16.5” MacBook Pro will be this year. A second report was later released by Kuo, it said that Apple will add the new mini LED screen technology in 2021.