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Was that closer to the release of the mini or was the new mini out in force by then?

A little while after it came out I guess. I asked another retailer (closer to home, not many Mac selling Apple retailers here in Thailand, it’s mostly just iPhones and iPads) and they told me something similar, apparently resellers BTO orders are end-of-the-queue but apple direct can prioritise them. I ended up buying via apple online (was a business purchase I didn’t realise they had payment methods we can use hence asking at a retailer) and it arrived in about a week I think.

I've been interested in the new mini, perhaps linking an external GPU to it. But that's Pro money for a really souped up one. So I told myself if I were going to fo that route I'd just "wait" for the pro machine, which is also taking a long time to release.

I originally intended to get a new iMac (expecting they’d be released when the mini was) but when it turned out to be a new mini, I didn’t really hesitate. It’s more than a lot would spend I guess (equivalent of $4800 with 2x 4K displays, another $1400 planned for eGPU + portable ssd + multi-bay storage) and I am curious about what the new Mac Pro offers but the increased productivity in the mean time means I’ll look at a Mac Pro in 2020 or 2021 rather than 2019. The Mac Pro might still be too heavily focused on graphics for my needs. An eGPU will run the displays better but I don’t need dual/crazy GPUs like the current (i)Mac Pro have.
 
This is very true. It’s true for me as well, I have waited to update my laptop for while now, just when I was going to pull the trigger I saw the apology that Apple released and the issues with the keyboard, I paused on buying yet again :(

Yup... Apple does exactly the wrong thing. They are almost a trillion dollar company again. They have $250bn in cash. They wasted over $200bn in stock repurchases to give themselves better bonuses. Did they ever once think to say to their customers that our experience is #1. If our keyboard develops this problem, bring that MacBook into an Apple store for a prompt fix. If they fear losing money, then they should design a better keyboard. They created this keyboard. I have keyboards that are twenty years old and sit around in dusty closets, cost $20 and yet perform reliably. I shouldn't have to pay $700 to fix Apple's bad design. And Apple shouldn't have to replace the surface laptop to replace the keyboard, which is also, sorry to say, bad design. Want to be known for good design? Do good design. Want to be known for bad design, keep doing what you're doing and slowly watch your reputation blow away in the wind. And once it is gone, it stays gone no matter what you do. Reputation is everything.
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A little while after it came out I guess. I asked another retailer (closer to home, not many Mac selling Apple retailers here in Thailand, it’s mostly just iPhones and iPads) and they told me something similar, apparently resellers BTO orders are end-of-the-queue but apple direct can prioritize them. I ended up buying via apple online (was a business purchase I didn’t realize they had payment methods we can use hence asking at a retailer) and it arrived in about a week I think.

I originally intended to get a new iMac (expecting they’d be released when the mini was) but when it turned out to be a new mini, I didn’t really hesitate. It’s more than a lot would spend I guess (equivalent of $4800 with 2x 4K displays, another $1400 planned for eGPU + portable SSD + multi-bay storage) and I am curious about what the new Mac Pro offers but the increased productivity in the meantime means I’ll look at a Mac Pro in 2020 or 2021 rather than 2019. The Mac Pro might still be too heavily focused on graphics for my needs. An eGPU will run the displays better but I don’t need dual/crazy GPUs like the current (i)Mac Pro has.

So a week after all. Yeah, not bad. I had mine sent to a store so I could pick it up. That slowed down the process a little. Had I shipped it to my office or home it would have been faster, but I never know where I will be.

I also don't need dual GPUs. The VEGA20 will be fine for me. The new iMac with 6 core i7 and Vega 20 looks pretty good. That's a Pro machine as I would need for the next few years. And I wouldn't have to worry about the keyboard at all. But I do like it portable. I just hate the idea of a big iMac. I have the world's smallest desk. I'm not kidding. Remember those really small desks that held a typewriter and not much else? That's my desk. You can fit the MacBook Pro, a mouse on the right, and on the left, an iPad Mini in landscape with some between all. Anything more than that and it's getting crowded. An iMac would be rethinking all that and my little in-law works well the way I have it. Really don't want a desktop. Want to keep things minimal.
 

Well, I watched the entire video.

I would have said right off the bat that if you can switch that easily you must not be invested in the ecosystem that is Apple. Then after a while, he came around to that conclusion. I have lots of software on iOS and macOS. I love iMessage. I just took a call from my watch. I control my audiobook on my walk home from the watch, which automagically loads controls for the book that I am listening to with my AirPods and iPhone.

I have gone for walks without my phone and the LTE watch still gives me calls, makes me aware of text messages and lets me listen to music via the AirPods. And I could go on and on and on.

The part he said about editing video. Disagree. Final Cut Pro X is typically ahead of Premiere Pro when it comes to codecs being supported. I saw one YouTuber show how is $10,000 PC was choking on a codec that his $5000 MacBook ran butter smooth.

He's a gamer... My condolences. I don't play a lot of games but the ones I do play are mostly on the iPad / iPhone or my Nintendo Switch. The one game I do play on the Mac is Minecraft in Survival mode. I can blow an entire weekend starting over from scratch and building a mine, a farm, breeding animals and building a new home. It's LEGO for adults.

Windows, in my opinion, is a great example of a company that doesn't understand computing at all. If you are an office drone and just want to run Office and Accounting apps all day and that's your life, have at it brother. However, if your computer is your ongoing education, your creative outlet, your research tool, your writing instrument, your musical discovery engine and basically your augmented self then you owe it to yourself to buy a Mac. It has a soul. Windows is just the sum total of computer parts.
 
Windows, in my opinion, is a great example of a company that doesn't understand computing at all. If you are an office drone and just want to run Office and Accounting apps all day and that's your life, have at it brother. However, if your computer is your ongoing education, your creative outlet, your research tool, your writing instrument, your musical discovery engine and basically your augmented self then you owe it to yourself to buy a Mac. It has a soul. Windows is just the sum total of computer parts.

I couldn’t of said it better myself. The Mac is a great computer, MacOS works really well and with Mojave it’s my favourite MacOS so far.

I tried a Surface Pro device and I regret it. My return will definitely be to the Mac.
 
yes, i was talking with kis about the fact that my mbp is definitely quieter under full load than my former surface book 2

Hmm, that has me worried a bit - the fans on my MBP spin up all the time. They also return to normal after load, but it’s def not a quiet laptop.

I have the 13” SB2 - I think the 15” version is louder due to the faster GPU. Personally I’m having zero issues with it, except that it runs Windows lol
 
Windows, in my opinion, is a great example of a company that doesn't understand computing at all. If you are an office drone and just want to run Office and Accounting apps all day and that's your life, have at it brother. However, if your computer is your ongoing education, your creative outlet, your research tool, your writing instrument, your musical discovery engine and basically your augmented self then you owe it to yourself to buy a Mac. It has a soul. Windows is just the sum total of computer parts.

I disagree - Windows itself is excellent software, intuitive and pretty. The problem lies in the fact that Microsoft doesn’t have much control over design choices and software development frameworks when it comes to 3rd party developers. That’s why it’s still a patchwork of styles, with huge performance differences between individual apps etc. Makes it look like Android did a few years back.
 
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I disagree - Windows itself is excellent software, intuitive and pretty. The problem lies in the fact that Microsoft doesn’t have much control over design choices and software development frameworks when it comes to 3rd party developers. That’s why it’s still a patchwork of styles, with huge performance differences between individual apps etc. Makes it look like Android did a few years back.

Could not disagree more. Microsoft creates the reference that both hardware and software developers follow. They have a lot of control. They're too thoughtless to use it in a meaningful way. I'll give you an example. When Microsoft decided to get into the next-gen smartphone business they started building on top of Windows CE, which was a disaster. They did this to get into the market faster, but they knew full well, and told their customers, that this was temporary. So you market and sell a phone that has no future. Not very intelligent.

Meanwhile why they work on 2.0 of the phone they see Apple selling tablets off the shelf. Rather than making a tablet they take Windows, and they attempt to make a Tablet UI, Metro, for this tablet. After years of development, we see the Surface RT and Surface Pro. The RT is ARM-based, and the pro intel based. Both with the Metro UI. Only one problem... The UI doesn't have the functions needed to do basic computing. The user can't take an attachment, save it, or recall it from the Metro UI. The user can't make a file folder, etc. The user has to abandon Metro for Desktop constantly. Sometimes the onscreen keyboard fails to open when it should. The user is actually required to buy the keyboard and mouse in order to make full use of the tablet. Without it, the user will become stuck. And this is Microsoft's answer to the iPad.

Meanwhile, 2.0 of the phone is selling poorly and Microsoft decides to unify the development of apps between the phone and Windows. Again, signaling developers that development of smartphone 2.0 is also a waste of time, just like the first version based on Windows CE.

With each new major update, almost nothing noticeable to the user has been done. You wait, wait, and continue to wait and the reward for this waiting is virtually nothing but more promise of some future that never comes. Eventually, Microsoft rents the use of Nokia's name and IP. This goes nowhere as well and Microsoft drops it, writing down over $7 billion in losses after killing Nokia which stupidly following Microsoft instead of running to Android. Nokia, once the largest seller of smartphones essentially is a tiny shell of its once former glory.

All these years later if you try to use Metro exclusively even now, you still can't. Microsoft with well over 50,000 developers has made no progress on Metro. What they are now doing is focusing on tablet shaped laptops and passing them off as tablets. But if you need a keyboard and a mouse to do anything, how can this be called a true tablet?

Contrast this with Apple. Apple from day one of the iPhone and iPad had already defined the frameworks of the smartphone and later the tablet UI. You not only don't need a mouse, but you also can't use one even if you wanted one. A keyboard is truly optional. You absolutely can get one without it because Apple made sure of it before it ever went to market.

It turns out that for web development, folks largely wish to work with the Mac and Linux, and specifically avoid Windows. No built-in SSH and shell tools. Since the Mac is based on UNIX it doesn't have this problem. And since Linux is a clone of UNIX it also doesn't suffer from this problem. So classic Microsoft is now adding a Linux sub-layer which is optional to Windows in an attempt to bridge the worthless non-functional to the world platform to be more like UNIX/Linux. If all you ever managed was Windows on the network, perhaps PowerShell would be okay, but that's not the world we live in.

Microsoft sees what Amazon is doing with AWS. Azure is born and to pad the numbers, let's say Office 365 users are part of the same reporting as the Azure business. It's slow going so they add Linux instances to the Azure offering. And now Linux is used in Azure more than Windows is. The switched fabric of Azure is LINUX, not Windows.

Microsoft is essentially a parasite company. The got rich of IBM and DOS and used that to make Windows which got popular with the Windows 95 release. But that is all Microsoft ever had. They don't do anything remarkable on their own. Without competition they are fine. Once good competition shows up, they are in over their head. They are too slow and in fact, never get it done, see Metro. They don't follow through. As soon as the found a small following with the hardware, what happened to finish the Metro UI? They don't finish it for the sake of completing what they started. Once users adapt to using Windows Desktop on the tablet shape, they stop caring about Metro and essentially left it standing still. Do you ever see it mentioned in their annual expos? Do they show their progress on it? No. This is what Microsoft is. If you give them money you condone what they have and they consider it done.

Apple, on the other hand, keeps pushing themselves further. I don't always like it, but they do it. Microsoft is happy to stand still and collect cash forever until there is a revolt on their hands.
 
Could not disagree more. Microsoft creates the reference that both hardware and software developers follow. They have a lot of control. They're too thoughtless to use it in a meaningful way. I'll give you an example. When Microsoft decided to get into the next-gen smartphone business they started building on top of Windows CE, which was a disaster. They did this to get into the market faster, but they knew full well, and told their customers, that this was temporary. So you market and sell a phone that has no future. Not very intelligent.

Meanwhile why they work on 2.0 of the phone they see Apple selling tablets off the shelf. Rather than making a tablet they take Windows, and they attempt to make a Tablet UI, Metro, for this tablet. After years of development, we see the Surface RT and Surface Pro. The RT is ARM-based, and the pro intel based. Both with the Metro UI. Only one problem... The UI doesn't have the functions needed to do basic computing. The user can't take an attachment, save it, or recall it from the Metro UI. The user can't make a file folder, etc. The user has to abandon Metro for Desktop constantly. Sometimes the onscreen keyboard fails to open when it should. The user is actually required to buy the keyboard and mouse in order to make full use of the tablet. Without it, the user will become stuck. And this is Microsoft's answer to the iPad.

Meanwhile, 2.0 of the phone is selling poorly and Microsoft decides to unify the development of apps between the phone and Windows. Again, signaling developers that development of smartphone 2.0 is also a waste of time, just like the first version based on Windows CE.

With each new major update, almost nothing noticeable to the user has been done. You wait, wait, and continue to wait and the reward for this waiting is virtually nothing but more promise of some future that never comes. Eventually, Microsoft rents the use of Nokia's name and IP. This goes nowhere as well and Microsoft drops it, writing down over $7 billion in losses after killing Nokia which stupidly following Microsoft instead of running to Android. Nokia, once the largest seller of smartphones essentially is a tiny shell of its once former glory.

All these years later if you try to use Metro exclusively even now, you still can't. Microsoft with well over 50,000 developers has made no progress on Metro. What they are now doing is focusing on tablet shaped laptops and passing them off as tablets. But if you need a keyboard and a mouse to do anything, how can this be called a true tablet?

Contrast this with Apple. Apple from day one of the iPhone and iPad had already defined the frameworks of the smartphone and later the tablet UI. You not only don't need a mouse, but you also can't use one even if you wanted one. A keyboard is truly optional. You absolutely can get one without it because Apple made sure of it before it ever went to market.

It turns out that for web development, folks largely wish to work with the Mac and Linux, and specifically avoid Windows. No built-in SSH and shell tools. Since the Mac is based on UNIX it doesn't have this problem. And since Linux is a clone of UNIX it also doesn't suffer from this problem. So classic Microsoft is now adding a Linux sub-layer which is optional to Windows in an attempt to bridge the worthless non-functional to the world platform to be more like UNIX/Linux. If all you ever managed was Windows on the network, perhaps PowerShell would be okay, but that's not the world we live in.

Microsoft sees what Amazon is doing with AWS. Azure is born and to pad the numbers, let's say Office 365 users are part of the same reporting as the Azure business. It's slow going so they add Linux instances to the Azure offering. And now Linux is used in Azure more than Windows is. The switched fabric of Azure is LINUX, not Windows.

Microsoft is essentially a parasite company. The got rich of IBM and DOS and used that to make Windows which got popular with the Windows 95 release. But that is all Microsoft ever had. They don't do anything remarkable on their own. Without competition they are fine. Once good competition shows up, they are in over their head. They are too slow and in fact, never get it done, see Metro. They don't follow through. As soon as the found a small following with the hardware, what happened to finish the Metro UI? They don't finish it for the sake of completing what they started. Once users adapt to using Windows Desktop on the tablet shape, they stop caring about Metro and essentially left it standing still. Do you ever see it mentioned in their annual expos? Do they show their progress on it? No. This is what Microsoft is. If you give them money you condone what they have and they consider it done.

Apple, on the other hand, keeps pushing themselves further. I don't always like it, but they do it. Microsoft is happy to stand still and collect cash forever until there is a revolt on their hands.

Technically, I think I am still covered under an NDA, but I can attest to the meat of your response having worked with Microsoft in a previous life...the lack of synergy between the disparate teams that make up components of the Windows OS and their fiefdoms show in the crazy quilt that is every version of Windows since the dawn of time. Things are not as fractious as they were during Vista (again, NDA), but there is still not the unifying force (Steve Jobs) that can force everyone to follow the same drummer. Clean it up all you want, it is still Windows, and lipstick on a pig will only get you so far in a beauty pageant (generally, the talent portion is the giveaway).
 
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Technically, I think I am still covered under an NDA, but I can attest to the meat of your response having worked with Microsoft in a previous life...the lack of synergy between the disparate teams that make up components of the Windows OS and their fiefdoms show in the crazy quilt that is every version of Windows since the dawn of time. Things are not as fractious as they were during Vista (again, NDA), but there is still not the unifying force (Steve Jobs) that can force everyone to follow the same drummer. Clean it up all you want, it is still Windows, and lipstick on a pig will only get you so far in a beauty pageant (generally, the talent portion is the giveaway).

Ever use the Zune? Or the Dell Ditty I think it was called?

Here you have a roadmap, that being the iPod, of what a good device does. It had a sleep timer. It had iTunes. It played podcasts, audiobooks, music, TV shows, and Movies and on and on. Microsoft makes Zune and says, hey, we play music too... Yeah, and what about all the other stuff? We play music too. So again, you get this half-@ssed product, and it's no wonder it doesn't sell — yet another example of how oblivious Microsoft is. If Microsoft were a student in school, I'd say they can't even cheat their way to a C- when sitting next to a straight-A student. They are that clueless.

Dell, and that stupid Dittie or whatever it was called. Apple got their hands on the Microhard drive 5 GBs and made the smallest, lightest device possible. Dell decides they can save a nickel (seriously it was a nickel) by using a microdrive with the controller on the side, rather than the bottom, causing the design to be larger. And they make this hideous larger device. All of the choices they made are to make it cheaper. Dell's only idea in this world is the price. Make cheaper products, and they will sell. They're that salesman that has no pitch. They only say we're cheaper. We can save you money. No innovation. No thought. Just make it super cheap, and they believe that's what this is all about.

So Dell sells a lot of machines. HP sells a lot of machines. But their margins are so razor thin you wonder why they are in this business at all. HP almost dumped their PC business.

HP and Dell have changed their ways somewhat and started making better machines. Who wants a TN display panel? Anyone? Apple doesn't do that. What Apple does is clearly written in the tech specs. With Dell, they use terms and you have to click question marks to get the specifics. If you're not careful, you'll get a garbage display on their Precision line, which is supposed to be for the higher end customers, engineers, etc. They don't think about how to make a great machine and then charge a fair price for it. Lenovo comes the closest in my opinion. Love their keyboards.
 
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Windows, in my opinion, is a great example of a company that doesn't understand computing at all. If you are an office drone and just want to run Office and Accounting apps all day and that's your life, have at it brother. However, if your computer is your ongoing education, your creative outlet, your research tool, your writing instrument, your musical discovery engine and basically your augmented self then you owe it to yourself to buy a Mac. It has a soul. Windows is just the sum total of computer parts.

Even some of us office drones prefer Mac....:)

Still, have to run Windows from time to time in order to view certain files, and I'm not a huge fan of Mac Mail, but even for Office + Acrobat and general daily life... OS X is still a better product.
 
Even some of us office drones prefer Mac....:)

Still, have to run Windows from time to time in order to view certain files, and I'm not a huge fan of Mac Mail, but even for Office + Acrobat and general daily life... OS X is still a better product.

I have Microsoft Office with Outlook on a PC and on my Mac I have Microsoft Office as well. I'm a subscriber of Office 365. I used to really hate mail.app. When Apple finally made a vertical layout I started to become ok with it. If you have a Mac, and iPhone, and an iPad, as I do. Then mail.app provides a consistent experience between contacts and email, calendar and notes and reminders. So for Office, I have limited my use to Word, Excel, and One Note. My mail, contacts, notes, etc are all done on Apple's stuff. I use a few smart folders, I make use of flags (those are useless on the iPhone) and sometimes I have odd buggy behavior but for the most part, it works well.

Like I say, I don't hate Windows. If anything my issue with Microsoft is that I just think they are careless and lazy. I feel like they just don't give a **** about what they do. Do you know how some people do the absolute minimum to get by? That's how I feel about Microsoft. They just don't finish what they start. They constantly over promise and under deliver. They have zero shame about it. From what I hear, their own people want to work on code and tighten it up, but Microsoft won't let them. They care more about what they can market then what they can fix and make better.

Linux is actually a very good example of what I am saying. Since when have you heard anyone constantly talking about the constant evolution of a kernel? NEVER. It is constantly being improved and they are so passionate about it. Nothing is ever done. With Apple, they sometimes don't give us new features in a release cycle. Instead, they sometimes devote a release cycle to pure cleanup and improvement. With Microsoft its as if the marketing department runs the show.

Word and Excel feel like mature products. But Windows is one giant blunder. I would have so much more respect for them if they would just finish what they start. Make Metro UI a first-class citizen. Someone ought to be able to use that Surface tablet without a keyboard, without a mouse, solely in the Metro UI without a switch to Desktop at all. If they did that, I'd be the first one talking up Surface. Until then, I see them as I always see them. They started something, then abandoned it, and they just leave it in this limbo state. What developer wants to develop for Metro at this point? See what I mean? It's right back to desktop mode. And if you're not going to finish it, get rid of it. Stop loading it on Surface. Either finish it or drop it. It's been how long since this Metro has been half baked now? I lost count. No shame at all over there at Microsoft. If I were them I'd be totally embarrassed.
 
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I have Microsoft Office with Outlook on a PC and on my Mac I have Microsoft Office as well. I'm a subscriber of Office 365. I used to hate mail.app. When Apple finally made a vertical layout, I started to become ok with it. If you have a Mac, and iPhone, and an iPad, as I do. Then mail app provides a consistent experience between contacts and email, calendar and notes and reminders. So for Office, I have limited my use to Word, Excel, and One Note. My mail, contacts, notes, etc are all done on Apple's stuff. I use a few smart folders, I make use of flags (those are useless on the iPhone) and sometimes I have odd buggy behavior but for the most part, it works well.

I agree that the Apple Mail integration is much more well done on my iPhone than my Outlook is. Nonetheless, Outlook handles smart folders (which I have tons of), rules, and calendar integration much better.

I own/run a law firm, so I think my Mac use is probably substantially different than most MR posters who work as graphics professionals or aficionados. I point this out because when they (MR posters) scream and shout how the iPad is a great laptop replacement, and things of that nature, their lack of exposure to corporate reality shows. Even if my entire law firm is Macs, I still have to deal with clients and opposing counsel who operate in the past. For example, I routinely get Word Perfect files from counsel which are a nightmare to deal with. Then there is the reality that most others are on Outlook. Outlook will very nicely add events to iCal, but Apple Mail doesn't play as nice when creating calendar "exchange" invites to people that are not on Apple Mail. Half the time I can't tell if they ever even saw the invite, it's just the damn ? next to their name. This is problematic when appearances and deadlines aren't exactly optional. Moreover, despite inbox rules that say move all emails from x listserve, or y client to z folders, Apple Mail still screws up. It mostly gets it, but often won't and will clutter up my inbox with some or a ton of emails that shouldn't be there. This is a ton of fun on my phone when 300 emails a day end up polluting my inbox unnecessarily. Then, I open Outlook and boom it cleans everything up without a hitch.

Then how documents get produced is also an issue. I get surveillance videos as .exe files. I also get MRI and CT radiology images as .exe program files. Some courthouses are still in the process of updating their IT from 1990s systems. Point being, they aren't going to accommodate me, I need to accommodate them. Therefore Windows modulation is an absolute must, and also why I'm fearful of a rush to ARM or using an iPad as my laptop.

I wish the world was as cutting edge as we all wish it to be, but it's just not. Nonetheless, the quality of the product and reliability always made Mac a no brainer for me. Until now... here I am typing this on a two-year-old MacBook that had the stupid soldered in SSD die. So I'm running my laptop off a USB-C harddrive which solid state or not, made a useable computer super slow. Also, I can't just close the lid and run, I've gotta completely shut down, pack up, and then instead of picking up where I left off reboot, re-open, etc. Meanwhile, while never having any problems with my keyboard, I'm fearful of just picking up a current gen MBP because of the keyboard and flexgate issues.

I'm gonna buy another MBP, and I need it to competently handle Windows emulation, but this gen of Mac laptops is really the first go-round in which I haven't been excited about what an upgrade will bring me :(
 
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Windows, in my opinion, is a great example of a company that doesn't understand computing at all. If you are an office drone and just want to run Office and Accounting apps all day and that's your life, have at it brother. However, if your computer is your ongoing education, your creative outlet, your research tool, your writing instrument, your musical discovery engine and basically your augmented self then you owe it to yourself to buy a Mac. It has a soul. Windows is just the sum total of computer parts.

You are seriously misinformed and no real idea about real world usage. Do you think most schools in the world runs Mac? They run Windows and it has full potential. Talk about Creative outlet and you are forgetting millions of powerful Windows machines working worldwide in film studios, media houses, music creations and so on. For Research, almost o one uses Macs. Either they use Unix or Windows. The list goes on.

The only good thing about Mac is it's ecosystem.
 
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Hmm, that has me worried a bit - the fans on my MBP spin up all the time. They also return to normal after load, but it’s def not a quiet laptop.

I have the 13” SB2 - I think the 15” version is louder due to the faster GPU. Personally I’m having zero issues with it, except that it runs Windows lol
yes, remember, you are comparing the 15"MBP that has the fans always on at 2000rpm min on idle...while the 13" MBP the fans stay at 0 RPM until full load. But again, is not ok to hear the fans so loud ,maybe just at heavy load
 
Well, I absolutely live in fear of this 3rd gen butterfly keyboard.

I'm hoping they'll add the 2018 to the list of laptops elligible for the repair program. I'm quite impressed by the Apple repair programs. We bought a MacBook in an online shop in 2016 (model 2015). It developed the delamination problem. Took it to a brick-and-mortar reseller and they fixed it free within a few days. No hassle that we didn't buy here, no hassle that the Apple site doesn't list that repair program anymore. It's still a hassle that it develops a problem and we have to take it in, but this level of service eases the pain.

Microsoft creates the reference that both hardware and software developers follow. They have a lot of control. They're too thoughtless to use it in a meaningful way. I'll give you an example. When Microsoft decided to get into the next-gen smartphone business they started building on top of Windows CE, which was a disaster. They did this to get into the market faster, but they knew full well, and told their customers, that this was temporary.

Yeah, the industry is full of examples like that. Google dropped the Nexus series just like that. Of course, right after I bought the Nexus 6P. They "replaced" it with the Pixel line, instantly dropping the commitment to support the Nexuses for another few Android releases. Then there's Android tablets. There was one Android release that focused on tablets, right around when the first few machines came out. Right now, the official Google Android Tablet web page shows 2015 and 2014 machines. Way to go!

Microsoft is particularly sad, as you so rightfully point out. The Windows user interface is a complete mess of different styles from the last 25 years. The internals are supposedly even worse. Adding touch support? Let's just put more space between the icons and get it over with! Way to go!

You are seriously misinformed and no real idea about real world usage. Do you think most schools in the world runs Mac? They run Windows and it has full potential. Talk about Creative outlet and you are forgetting millions of powerful Windows machines working worldwide in film studios, media houses, music creations and so on.

You haven't really read what he wrote. Windows isn't unusable. Anyway, when you're talking about the creatives, there's a video editor here who just switched to Windows because he's in the apps 99,999% of the time anyway.

Pkoz' point was that Microsoft doesn't follow through with what they decide. They don't build a vision and execute it step by step, continuing to build the vision as they go along. Microsoft sees a market opportunity, builds something, then abandons it. Buying a Windows phone was basically the same as Porsche saying: thanks for buying a Macan, but we're not really interested in SUVs, so you're not getting spare parts. Oh, but look, we have this nice 911!
 
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I'm hoping they'll add the 2018 to the list of laptops elligible for the repair program. I'm quite impressed by the Apple repair programs. We bought a MacBook in an online shop in 2016 (model 2015). It developed the delamination problem. Took it to a brick-and-mortar reseller and they fixed it free within a few days. No hassle that we didn't buy here, no hassle that the Apple site doesn't list that repair program anymore. It's still a hassle that it develops a problem and we have to take it in, but this level of service eases the pain.

Yeah, the industry is full of examples like that. Google dropped the Nexus series just like that. Of course, right after I bought the Nexus 6P. They "replaced" it with the Pixel line, instantly dropping the commitment to support the Nexuses for another few Android releases. Then there's Android tablets. There was one Android release that focused on tablets, right around when the first few machines came out. Right now, the official Google Android Tablet web page shows 2015 and 2014 machines. Way to go!

Microsoft is particularly sad, as you so rightfully point out. The Windows user interface is a complete mess of different styles from the last 25 years. The internals are supposedly even worse. Adding touch support? Let's just put more space between the icons and get it over with! Way to go!

You haven't really read what he wrote. Windows isn't unusable. Anyway, when you're talking about the creatives, there's a video editor here who just switched to Windows because he's in the apps 99,999% of the time anyway.

Pkoz' point was that Microsoft doesn't follow through with what they decide. They don't build a vision and execute it step by step, continuing to build the vision as they go along. Microsoft sees a market opportunity, builds something, then abandons it. Buying a Windows phone was basically the same as Porsche saying: thanks for buying a Macan, but we're not really interested in SUVs, so you're not getting spare parts. Oh, but look, we have this nice 911!

You nailed it. Thanks for reading the post and understanding my point. I agree a lot of people on Windows use creative apps. Look no further than AutoDesk. Look no further than Avid. Quark said half of their user base was from Windows. But as you correctly reflected, my point is that Microsoft doesn’t follow through. I gave multiple examples of this. I’ll give another one. Microsoft is abandoning Groove, their music service. Microsoft is dropping its ebooks. When the Metro UI released, Microsoft dropped their Zune sync app, which was their version of an iTunes app. And they started over from scratch with the Metro UI with an app that was essentially alpha.

Microsoft consistently decides to be a me too company. But they fail even in that sense. I firmly believe that had it not been for DOS and riding the coattails of IBM, Microsoft would have never left New Mexico. They just want to license. Apple actually engineers hardware. Microsoft is one of those company’s that wants to make endless income on intellectual properties.
 
I have Microsoft Office with Outlook on a PC and on my Mac I have Microsoft Office as well. I'm a subscriber of Office 365. I used to really hate mail.app. When Apple finally made a vertical layout I started to become ok with it. If you have a Mac, and iPhone, and an iPad, as I do. Then mail.app provides a consistent experience between contacts and email, calendar and notes and reminders. So for Office, I have limited my use to Word, Excel, and One Note. My mail, contacts, notes, etc are all done on Apple's stuff. I use a few smart folders, I make use of flags (those are useless on the iPhone) and sometimes I have odd buggy behavior but for the most part, it works well.

Like I say, I don't hate Windows. If anything my issue with Microsoft is that I just think they are careless and lazy. I feel like they just don't give a **** about what they do. Do you know how some people do the absolute minimum to get by? That's how I feel about Microsoft. They just don't finish what they start. They constantly over promise and under deliver. They have zero shame about it. From what I hear, their own people want to work on code and tighten it up, but Microsoft won't let them. They care more about what they can market then what they can fix and make better.

Linux is actually a very good example of what I am saying. Since when have you heard anyone constantly talking about the constant evolution of a kernel? NEVER. It is constantly being improved and they are so passionate about it. Nothing is ever done. With Apple, they sometimes don't give us new features in a release cycle. Instead, they sometimes devote a release cycle to pure cleanup and improvement. With Microsoft its as if the marketing department runs the show.

Word and Excel feel like mature products. But Windows is one giant blunder. I would have so much more respect for them if they would just finish what they start. Make Metro UI a first-class citizen. Someone ought to be able to use that Surface tablet without a keyboard, without a mouse, solely in the Metro UI without a switch to Desktop at all. If they did that, I'd be the first one talking up Surface. Until then, I see them as I always see them. They started something, then abandoned it, and they just leave it in this limbo state. What developer wants to develop for Metro at this point? See what I mean? It's right back to desktop mode. And if you're not going to finish it, get rid of it. Stop loading it on Surface. Either finish it or drop it. It's been how long since this Metro has been half baked now? I lost count. No shame at all over there at Microsoft. If I were them I'd be totally embarrassed.

"I used to really hate mail.app. When Apple finally made a vertical layout I started to become ok with it."

Two issues with Mail.app--the first being the absolutely awful ways it handles attachments. It's truly terrible.

Second issue is the lack of features as compared to others---no snooze, no send later, no real integration with ToDo apps or notes, etc. I've fixed the second issue somewhat with MailButler, but the attachment support drives me nuts.
 
"I used to really hate mail.app. When Apple finally made a vertical layout I started to become ok with it."

Two issues with Mail.app--the first being the absolutely awful ways it handles attachments. It's truly terrible.

Second issue is the lack of features as compared to others---no snooze, no send later, no real integration with ToDo apps or notes, etc. I've fixed the second issue somewhat with MailButler, but the attachment support drives me nuts.

I don’t like the attachments handling either. I get why they do it. They like the whole see everything in email. For personal users emailing I can almost see it as a plus. However, I do think most people want attachments, not inline views elements. They could resolve this by making an attachment box or even an options floating menu that pops up when you add an attachment and ask which do you want, something inside the body or an actual attachment.

One way to deal with it is to zip things up. You can alter the behavior to view as icon by default. I used to do that.

I actually like the apps all separated like they are. I used to feel exactly the same way as you do. It was a bother that it wasn’t all integrated. Don’t know when or why I changed my mind but I did. I totally prefer it the way they have them all separated. My notes are amazing. I love reminders and I love how I see them on my watch whenever I look at the time.

Apple can do a lot of things that get under my skin, but the browser (mostly), the mail, notes, calendar, reminders and contacts I like. I sometimes try substitutes like AirMail, CardHop, Fantastical and so on. But I tend to go back to the basics Apple provides.
 
I don’t like the attachments handling either. I get why they do it. They like the whole see everything in email. For personal users emailing I can almost see it as a plus. However, I do think most people want attachments, not inline views elements. They could resolve this by making an attachment box or even an options floating menu that pops up when you add an attachment and ask which do you want, something inside the body or an actual attachment.

One way to deal with it is to zip things up. You can alter the behavior to view as icon by default. I used to do that.

I actually like the apps all separated like they are. I used to feel exactly the same way as you do. It was a bother that it wasn’t all integrated. Don’t know when or why I changed my mind but I did. I totally prefer it the way they have them all separated. My notes are amazing. I love reminders and I love how I see them on my watch whenever I look at the time.

Apple can do a lot of things that get under my skin, but the browser (mostly), the mail, notes, calendar, reminders and contacts I like. I sometimes try substitutes like AirMail, CardHop, Fantastical and so on. But I tend to go back to the basics Apple provides.
Like you, I always end up going back to stock, even with mail apps.

The attachments though---I have to send Word documents all the time and the fact the .doc icon ends up below or above text drives me crazy and makes me wonder what the person on the other side using Windows and Outlook sees. I know it's fine, but such an eye sore. If they can fix that, I will be happy--plugins can mostly fix the rest. I don't mind paying for that functionality.
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You nailed it. Thanks for reading the post and understanding my point. I agree a lot of people on Windows use creative apps. Look no further than AutoDesk. Look no further than Avid. Quark said half of their user base was from Windows. But as you correctly reflected, my point is that Microsoft doesn’t follow through. I gave multiple examples of this. I’ll give another one. Microsoft is abandoning Groove, their music service. Microsoft is dropping its ebooks. When the Metro UI released, Microsoft dropped their Zune sync app, which was their version of an iTunes app. And they started over from scratch with the Metro UI with an app that was essentially alpha.

Microsoft consistently decides to be a me too company. But they fail even in that sense. I firmly believe that had it not been for DOS and riding the coattails of IBM, Microsoft would have never left New Mexico. They just want to license. Apple actually engineers hardware. Microsoft is one of those company’s that wants to make endless income on intellectual properties.
Microsoft and Google to some extent are sort of "drive by" companies. They'll come in and enter a market with a Zune or a Google + but then sort of move back to their core elements and let the other things die on the vine. They jones to get in a market, like Band and the wearables market and then just sort of let things lag and eventually give up. You can trust Windows, Office, Azure and Xbox will stick around, but not much else, just like Google with Chrome, Maps, Search (obviously) and I guess you can add YouTube, but I sort of see that as a standalone company.

Wait---wasn't this a forum about the 2019 MacBook Pro?

Just give me a new keyboard and we're good!
 
Microsoft and Google to some extent are sort of "drive by" companies. They'll come in and enter a market with a Zune or a Google + but then sort of move back to their core elements and let the other things die on the vine.

Yeah, just look at how many attempts Google has taken to build a messaging system. It seems like it's 7. ' Don't even ask what it feels like as an Android/gmail user to continually have to switch systems and to convince relatives and friends to switch as well.

It's just so silly. Google has been sitting on a goldmine with Android for 10+ years and all they do is half-hearted attempts at some features. There's been some serious effort (like Android Honeycomb for tablets, or project Treble to make OS updates independent from OEMs), but when it's delivered, they just drop it. It seems like they think they're delivering a house: once it's built, it just stands and nothing remains to be done. With tech, though, things are moving and the delivery is just the start.

Wait---wasn't this a forum about the 2019 MacBook Pro?

Just give me a new keyboard and we're good!

... the above is one reason why I like Apple. They think things through. Even with the infamous butterfly keyboard, they've at least tried to improve on it with every version. I'm very much looking forward to their announcements in June (hopefully). I'd be very surprised if they bring out a thicker version of the MBP, but I don't consider it impossible.
 
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So the first 9th gen mobile Intel CPU is expected to launch around April 21st being widely available from May. Specs known so far are the Intel Core i7-9750H suitable for the 15-inches MacBook Pro with 6 cores and 12 threads comes with 12 MB of Cache, 2.6GHz up to 4.5 GHz, 45W TDP, DDR4-2666 support and Intel UHD 630 gen 9.5 graphics (https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/core_i7/i7-9750h).

28% faster than the i7-8750H and twice as fast as the i7-7700HQ. Sources:

April 7th:

March 6th:
https://wccftech.com/exclusive-inte...nced-around-21st-april-availability-from-may/
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February 16th:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13969/intel-details-new-9th-gen-cpus-for-notebooks-9980hk-9300h
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Do you guys think they'll introduce new keyboard mechanism for 2019 MBP in july/august? I'm just honestly wondering if its worth the wait.
 
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