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Waiting for the 2019 MBP [Merged]

I'm assuming you meant 8 core about the top end BTO? If so, that makes a lot of sense... If Apple were able to get that extra 400 MHz out of the top end i7, that solves the problem. I'm not at all sure the 15" Pro will be a spec bump. Apple's been unusually forthcoming about the keyboard for something they aren't planning to fix soon, and there's the rumor about a 16-16.5" machine.

Two thoughts about the 15" Air. One is that some substantial number of (unspecified, but low power) Sunny Cove chips are supposed to be shipping in summer/fall (but how many times have we heard that story)? They may or may not be the right chips, even if they do ship...

The second is that the chips from the 13" Pro would serve - even though they're technically 8th Generation.
 
Yes, 8 core i9 would be top end BTO. So could be 2.6-4.5 6 core i7 in the base. 3.0-5.0 (at the highest possible configuration) 6 core i7 in the upgraded model, with the BTO for one of those 8 core i9s (and I'm not sure it will matter much which one).

I think there is clearly something a foot for changing around the internals to 'fix' the keyboard issue and potentially add some cooling capabilities. I'm not sure that means a true redesign though. Maybe these 14" and 16" things shows up, but if that happens in 2019, I'd expect it to be late fall 2019, not summer. IMO, Apple would be best served to appear to fix the issue ASAP with a quick release now. That problem is costing them sales. Then save a full redesign for the 10nm Sunny Cove MBP. Totally my random hunch though, so take that for what little its worth.

And yes, I'll believe Sunny Cove is shipping in mass when I see it on shelves.
 
So according to the latest leak of Intel’s CPU roadmap it seems like we will see new Intel Core-U chips available on Q3 2019.



Intel-Client-Mobility-CPU-Roadmap-2020-10nm-14nm-Ice-Lake-Comet-Lake-Tiger-Lake-Rocket-Lake.png


Source: https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

If I understood the picture correctly the limited 10nm Ice Lake-U chips will be coming soon this Q2 2019 in 2 and 4 core options, the more available 14nm Comet Lake-U chips in 2, 4 and 6 core options will come on Q3 2019 with LPDDR3 support and on Q2 2020 with LPDDR4 support finally.

So I don’t know what Apple will do but it seems to me like they’ll stick to the more powerful Comet Lake-U for the 2019 13” MBP as that would allow us to have a 6 core 13” machine in the same 28W TDP we have now in the quad core one. So I guess we will see the 2019 13” and 15” MBP refresh this fall although the 15” chips are already available. It’s such a pity that it looks like we won’t have LPDDR4 support on the new 13” MBP but this 6 core thingy is something...
 
Aquamite said:
So according to the latest leak of Intel’s CPU roadmap it seems like we will see new Intel Core-U chips available on Q3 2019.



Intel-Client-Mobility-CPU-Roadmap-2020-10nm-14nm-Ice-Lake-Comet-Lake-Tiger-Lake-Rocket-Lake.png


Source: https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

If I understood the picture correctly the limited 10nm Ice Lake-U chips will be coming soon this Q2 2019 in 2 and 4 core options, the more available 14nm Comet Lake-U chips in 2, 4 and 6 core options will come on Q3 2019 with LPDDR3 support and on Q2 2020 with LPDDR4 support finally.

So I don’t know what Apple will do but it seems to me like they’ll stick to the more powerful Comet Lake-U for the 2019 13” MBP as that would allow us to have a 6 core 13” machine in the same 28W TDP we have now in the quad core one. So I guess we will see the 2019 13” and 15” MBP refresh this fall although the 15” chips are already available. It’s such a pity that it looks like we won’t have LPDDR4 support on the new 13” MBP but this 6 core thingy is something...
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Btw, Comet Lake-U does not include GT3e graphics. So none of these chips are suitable for the 13inch MBP.
 
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I have been reading this thread since the rumors about this model came up, and although I would love to see a complete beast of a laptop, history has thought me different.

What I don't believe they will do is:
- remove the touchbar and return to the physical keys
- add older ports like HDMI or magsafe
- add the newest CPU's from intel. They will still go with six cores though.
- add a 64gb RAM option

What I hope to see:
- a 120hz IPS "retina" monitor
- a better keyboard
- better speakers
- FaceID
- the audio jack :( please don't remove this

but as always, the media and users overhype the product, everyone expects a miracle, then Apple comes and presents a 10% change.
 
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Dave245 said:
If they fix that keyboard, I’m ready to buy! That’s all I’m waiting for a fixed keyboard.
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Apple needs to more than that for my liking, I don't want the thinnest, lightest 15"/16" notebook as it only serves to work against me. I'd prefer if Apple differentiates it's notebooks more, not follow a single solution that negatively impacts usability & performance at the higher tiers.

Q-6
 
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currahee2100 said:
Irony is when I listen to music on my iPhone using the lightning headphones, and I can't plug it into my MBP because it uses a standard headphone jack.
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What about the fact that you can't connect your 1500$ iPhone to your 3500$ MBP out of the box? You either need a dongle, or purchase a new cable.

Now that is simplicity for you. And it just works.
 
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Queen6 said:
Apple needs to more than that for my liking, I don't want the thinnest, lightest 15"/16" notebook as it only serves to work against me. I'd prefer if Apple differentiates it's notebooks more, not follow a single solution that negatively impacts usability & performance at the higher tiers.

Q-6
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For me the current Macbook Pro and Macbook Air look great, the trackpad is larger which is better for gestures, the Touch Bar on the Pro is helpful for video editing, the screen is great on both (altho the Pro is a little better) and MacOS is great (Mojave is my favourite so far). I just want them to fix the keyboard issues, then i will be buying one straight away.

The Macbook Pro being thinner and lighter than my old 2011 Macbook Pro is a great thing, it's not going to be as heavy when carrying it around, that is a consideration for a portable device like MacBooks. I just don't get on with Windows and so the Mac is where i'm at, they are great devices except for this keyboard issue.
 
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c0ppo said:
What about the fact that you can't connect your 1500$ iPhone to your 3500$ MBP out of the box? You either need a dongle, or purchase a new cable.

Now that is simplicity for you. And it just works.
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What's wrong with Wi-Fi?
 
BeatCrazy said:
What's wrong with Wi-Fi?
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There's nothing "wrong" with it, but AFAIK you still need to connect your iPhone/iPad at least once to a Mac per cable in order to activate Wi-Fi sync for it. Plus, I believe syncing your iPhone via a USB-cable is significantly faster than via Wi-Fi, so for people who do that often (for example because they put new music/audio books/movies on it that way, or prefer to do backups via iTunes rather than iCloud), connecting them via cable may still be the preferable option.

Don't get me wrong – wireless iTunes sync, once activated, is great for a majority of people. But these issues could easily be circumvented if Apple just put a USB-C-to-Lightning cable and their new USB-C fast-charging power adapter into the iPhone box, rather than that grumpy old 5w power adapter and a USB-A-to-Lightning cable that most people have hoarded ten times over already.
 
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Aquamite said:
I already posted it. It doesn’t matter that 10nm 45W CPUs aren’t there. The new 9th gen 45W CPUs suitable for the 15” MBP have already been launched on April 23rd.
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It does matter.

It means Intel is stuck from a thermal/power perspective. Cant continue to add cores and stay at 45w. Me thinks apple was counting on at some point, being able to put a smaller wattage processor in there.

The entire train is broken now.

Perfect time to make the jump to A12 or A13 or whatever they would call it.
 
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Salty Pirate said:
It does matter.

It means Intel is stuck from a thermal/power perspective. Cant continue to add cores and stay at 45w. Me thinks apple was counting on at some point, being able to put a smaller wattage processor in there.

The entire train is broken now.

Perfect time to make the jump to A12 or A13 or whatever they would call it.
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By 2021 or 2022, maybe, yes. It will be like A15 or something by then. They have a lot of work to do in order to catch up to Intel laptop/desktop parts for typical full fledge computer tasks, not those gimmicky benchmarks.

To an extent too, we have to wonder what's the goal of >8 cores on a laptop. Serious data crunching happens in the cloud, on clusters or at least workstations. I'm all for these low threaded highly clocked CPUs though. Its the finishing work I do on my laptop, and that's the type of CPU that's best for it. If Apple drops the A15XX or some thing in a MacBook Pro because they can cram 16 cores on there, but long running single threaded performance takes a serious dive, that will be a completely misguided direction.
 
Salty Pirate said:
It does matter.

It means Intel is stuck from a thermal/power perspective. Cant continue to add cores and stay at 45w.
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Actually they just added 2 more cores into their new 9th gen 45W Core i9 going 8 core from the 8th gen 6 core.

Did you even read anything about their brand new 9th gen H series CPU launch?
 
Aquamite said:
Actually they just added 2 more cores into their new 9th gen 45W Core i9 going 8 core from the 8th gen 6 core.

Did you even read anything about their brand new 9th gen H series CPU launch?
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Sure, but that is diminishing returns, plus the high thermals prevent sustained turbo boost.

So they can keep this game up one more cycle, they need 10nm.
 
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