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I have no problem with people objecting to the upgrade fee, or seeking to get it waived

I do question lying to get it done
IMO it does become a character issue
 
You're on a roll today PBF!

As for the OP, next time you don't have to lie. Just tell them you are unhappy with the upgrade fee, and they probably will remove it.

I know I didn't have to lie, but I think it was more like a shortcut, I was busy today and had to save time.
 
I called AT&T and complained about why I have to wait until November to get iPhone 4S for 199 dollars. AT&T explained that they are not allowed to change the upgrade eligibility date. 250 dollars is not a small Money.

At the end, AT&T credited 250 dollars on my account and I am upgrading in November.

There.... OP got 18 dollars and I got 250 dollars.

But, I did not lie, so I feel better.
 
You guys do realize that the $18 fee is one of those "We charge it to everyone, and remove it from anyone who complains" fees right? The entire point is that there is no legitimate reason for the charge, they just know the vast majority of the people will never raise a peep.

It also gives them something very easy to 'give' the customer if any other issues should arise during the upgrade process. Oh, phone is a week late? What's that, your unlimited data got knocked off in the process due to our poorly designed (or, more likely, well designed to cause the drop) site? Here, let me waive that $18 fee we charge specifically so that we can waive it and look good to make you happy.

The O.P. is certainly not a scumbag for getting it knocked off, or devoid if any "character."

thank you!

I also forgot to mention that I am a law student, So i am a good liar.
And no, I am not lying about being a law student :)
 
It seems a bit arbitrary how they charge that fee. The day before I ordered the phone I called ATT to see if I could save any money with a different plan based on my history. Since I had accumulated 6000 roll over minutes, it would make sense to drop down to lower minutes. All the roll over minutes are not suppose to transfer to new plan but they would allow them to carry over in my case along with waiving the upgrade fee.

I don't think I ever paid an upgrade fee since I always just ask to have it waived. I don't upgrade all that often. You probably didn't need to lie, just ask.
 
I love it when people **** up and **** people over then they use their religion as a crutch saying they're safe because they'll ask for forgiveness. I call ********.

Actually (not to go all PRSI on this thread) the Bible itself condemns such behavior. The Christian faith stipulates that we are saved by grace but if you continue in unwanted sin and rely on "asking forgiveness" later. That's an abuse of the grace and one must really re-examine his or her spiritual relationship.
 
I called AT&T and complained about why I have to wait until November to get iPhone 4S for 199 dollars. AT&T explained that they are not allowed to change the upgrade eligibility date. 250 dollars is not a small Money.

At the end, AT&T credited 250 dollars on my account and I am upgrading in November.

There.... OP got 18 dollars and I got 250 dollars.

But, I did not lie, so I feel better.

But I am getting my 4S on Friday and you have to wait a month. So I feel better.
 
But I am getting my 4S on Friday and you have to wait a month. So I feel better.

Nope... I am upgrading my another line to get it for 199 dollars. I am going to Sim swap. I will decide to whether I will upgrade another line in November or wait for next iPhone.
 
Nope... I am upgrading my another line to get it for 199 dollars. I am going to Sim swap. I will decide to whether I will upgrade another line in November or wait for next iPhone.

gotcha!, thats actually a good idea. I used my dad's account to upgrade and I will preform a sim swap.

I will use my own account to upgrade when the iphone 5 comes out
 
"Abdulfattah "John" Jandali -- Steve Jobs' biological father -- had no comment Wednesday on the untimely death of his world-famous son, with whom he had no relationship.

Jandali, 80, a Syrian-American Muslim and ex-political science professor, had earlier expressed his regret for giving his son up for adoption."

I have my facts straight

Must feel good to be right.
 
"Abdulfattah "John" Jandali -- Steve Jobs' biological father -- had no comment Wednesday on the untimely death of his world-famous son, with whom he had no relationship.

Jandali, 80, a Syrian-American Muslim and ex-political science professor, had earlier expressed his regret for giving his son up for adoption."

I have my facts straight
Hmm, interesting. I remember reading somewhere that Steve Jobs was Jewish who converted to Buddhism. I guess his biological mother must've been Jewish then. I always thought his dad was.
 
You guys do realize that the $18 fee is one of those "We charge it to everyone, and remove it from anyone who complains" fees right? The entire point is that there is no legitimate reason for the charge, they just know the vast majority of the people will never raise a peep.

It also gives them something very easy to 'give' the customer if any other issues should arise during the upgrade process. Oh, phone is a week late? What's that, your unlimited data got knocked off in the process due to our poorly designed (or, more likely, well designed to cause the drop) site? Here, let me waive that $18 fee we charge specifically so that we can waive it and look good to make you happy.

The O.P. is certainly not a scumbag for getting it knocked off, or devoid if any "character."

You can't control the other "entity". You can only control yourself. And if you choose to lie, that's noone's responsibility but your own. Do you really think this "big bad corporation" isn't going to get the money they're looking for? Every time someone lies, deceives, or omits to get $18 here or $250 there, the company will recoup that money. They'll just spread it out over time so each and every one of US is paying just a little bit extra every time someone "pulls one over" on them.

Aaaah, good times. Nothing like letting yourself get dragged into a moral discussion on a MacRumors forum. lol
 
Man, many of you are replying like you never told a lie before.

I am a sinner myself, and when I see that I have done something wrong, I work to resolve it. If I lied, I then go to the person and apologize and ask forgiveness. I don't justify my actions by stating the other party is just is bad if not worse and so its ok to lie to them.
 
Man, many of you are replying like you never told a lie before.

The thing is that you're sitting her justifying your lie because it's to some big corrupt corporation and that's why it makes it okay to lie to them to get enough money to watch a movie and get a popcorn. I know someone else asked you about your religion and you didn't just volunteered it up, I also know this isn't the PRSI forum - but the truth brotha, is that integrity is integrity. Whether it's over $18 or $1K. Apart from religion I have a saying that I live by:
"There's only two things in this world that make a man a man, his word and his balls - and I'm not breakin' either for anyone" - The Californian

You do your thing brotha, just know that when you identify yourself as part of a group, whether you like it or not - you represent that entire group through your actions.
 
No. I think the replies are based on your need to lie to get out of an $18 fee. It's cheap, stupid, and sad.

AT&T doesn't care. They put the $18 fee up just so they have something to give customers who have complaints, any complaints.

The rep you are talking to doesn't care, they just need you to complain about literally anything so they can give you the $18 credit and get you off the line + get a good survey if you were randomly selected.

You don't care, you know damn well you'll get the $18 credit no matter what - why not say "someone else already got to this point with me, but seems to have failed to actually remove the charge" and save all parties involved time and money.

I find it downright hysterical that anyone would care about this particular lie, literally nobody involved in the process has any bit of care in their cup.

Sure, the O.P. could have just as easily raised a stink about something else and they would have offered to remove it anyway (since that's it's purpose) - but how is that any different in the end?

As someone who worked in a call center for a while - everyone, everyone knows damn well that the O.P. was lying. They simply don't forget to put things like that in the computer, or at least note the account that they had intended to (they type the notes up while talking to you). Nobody gives one flying **** though, since it frees up the line for other customers sooner, gives the individual rep a significantly higher chance of getting a positive survey, and the company created the charge just to make customers happy when they remove it. Nobody was hurt, everyone was - in fact - better off for it.

The annoying customers are the fishers, who won't just come out and say what they really want (a credit of some sort) - but will complain about unrelated things until you guess. They just take up the call centers time when a quick dirty lie could do the same thing so much faster.

If they gave even half a **** they would get supervisors involved and make it turn into a 30 minute process to give the credit - which would cause most customers to give up/hang up before getting the credit. Instead, it takes 2 seconds and no supervisor - because it's a ******** charge.
 
I always find it interesting how these types of threads invoke the "morality police" to unnecessarily express the state of their own moral character and the deficits in moral character of other people. Dudes, everyone in here is a liar. We all lie all the time, and most often we lie for some personal gain. Anyone who has passed judgment towards the OP for his lying is a liar himself, and perhaps may be of even less moral character than him for announcing your own righteousness (lack of).
 
Lying to save $18 is neither cheap nor stupid. Whether it's sad is a matter of opinion. If you don't think it's worth five minutes to save $18, I pity you. $18 goes a long way for a lot of people. You can feed a family for $18 if you're frugal and make things from scratch... or you can just buy two tickets to the movies. Either way, I don't think anyone should feel bad about lying to AT&T -- especially in a case like this, where they tried to sneak this 'fee' in at the last step of the ordering process, knowing they had their customers by the balls.
 
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