Wall Street Journal Confirms Fingerprint Sensor in New iPhone Coming Tomorrow

[mabhatter]

Here comes the fingerprint sensor fad!

I'm really really looking forward to tomorrow.

So, which finger will YOU use to unlock?

 

[Born Again]

Wow how balsy of the wsj

I'd also gander that they would have a faster processor too!

Stop the presses

Where is the yup guy now?!

 

[gto55]

so "did" Jim Dalrymple

 

[kis]

Get off the internet and change your name, ASAP! Geebuz Christ! What meds / super paronoia planet are you into?

And you please go back to your desk job with the NSA.

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Get off the internet and change your name, ASAP! Geebuz Christ! What meds / super paronoia planet are you into?

Also, I'm looking forward to seeing the many creative uses Chinese and Russian hackers will come up with for your prints.

 

[mabhatter]

Have you been living under a rock? Read the news

They already do more with stuff than we know about... And have been since the late 1990's. it's too inefficient for them to chase everybody. That's why it's important to fight for legalizing all the stupid stuff... MJ, light drugs, kinky sex, etc so that those things come out in the open and nobody CARES, let alone makes them crimes. Then the government can know anything it wants...

There is a quote attributed to various politicians that invent laws they never intend to enforce fairly: "you can't rule lawful men" and THAT is the real enemy, not the spying.

 

[Jett0516]

will our fingerprint get sent to the NSA?

 

[Manzzle]

I'm sure Apple will take time to claim again how supposedly those big screens are inferior quality wise so why would anyone want one?

You know that's a good question, It's like why the hell did the iPad Mini sell so many when the regular iPad has a better screen.

I'm sure Apple will give people the choice of screen size for the iPhones that include sizes bigger than 4 inches if not later today then a year from now.

I just won't be the one waiting another year. Apple makes there products beautifully and stuff just works right, but I am in need now of a larger screen as I've wanted since the intro of the iPhone 5 last year.

To each his own on what screen size they think is great for them, but there is a WOW factor for me when I hold up my iPhone 5 close to a Galaxy S 4 or Note 2.

I am very weary of some things of Android thou. I don't like how the mail app is all black looking. I like the white in Apple's mail app.

 

[macs4nw]

you have no idea what you're talking about, do you? no, neither end up as a string of 0s and 1s (presumably in a database) to get hacked by brute force. that isn't how hacking works. 0s and 1s are at the binary level, the machine level. hacking happens much further downstream.

I don't see you laying awake at nite worrying about amazon passwords, so I don't know why you would here.

You can play with words, if you want, but the info somehow ends up in the binary domain. If you're telling me this isn't so, than please explain. I don't claim to be a hacking expert, far from it, but my original point was that if your authentication method gets compromised somehow, you would be much more vulnerable with one fingerprint for all your sites, than with multiple passwords for different sites.

You have no idea what I do at night, so let's not go there…..

doom! DOOOOOM!

Your dismissive reply to the 'general' seems to indicate that you truly believe fingerprint scanning is an ironclad, foolproof, unhackable technology. If that turns out to be the case, it would join a very, very tiny list of technologies that have never been compromised.

 

[BvizioN]

What will be interesting is if there's more to this than just unlocking your device. I'm hoping that's where we maybe get a surprise tomorrow.

I am almoust certain there is or there will be. They won't buy a company for $300 million and implement a fingerprint scaner just to evoid pascode. The bigger picture is yet to be revealed in my opinion.

 

[macnisse]

Ok, will be interesting to see how it is implemented. Will still wait till next iteration (at least) though before considering an upgrade from iphone5. So far the 5 has been VERY stable even WITH jailbreak!

 

[AdonisSMU]

Meh, wake me up again when the iPhone comes with a nice size screen. The iPhone 5s is just more of the same with slightly better specs.

and what would a bigger screen do to change that?

 

[0029937]

I am almoust certain there is or there will be. They won't buy a company for $300 million and implement a fingerprint scaner just to evoid pascode. The bigger picture is yet to be revealed in my opinion.

Bigger picture=future mobile payments?! Someone finally gets it. Wow, so refreshing to read someone with a bit of hope and imagination. So much damn negativity in people. They just don't see it. We'll all be using our phones to buy stuff in 5 years. This is the start of it, tomorrow!

 

[Yendog]

I am completely in the "don't want to feel my phone in my pocket" crowd.

Don't understand the lust for a huge screen. But then again if I find myself watching a movie on my PHONE something has gone terribly wrong.

 

[0029937]

and what would a bigger screen do to change that?

Don't feed them. Just tell them to go already and buy one of those nice big phones and leave us in peace while we enjoy what we're happily getting. I'll get a iPad Mini for my bigger screen enjoyment. I want my phone to slip into my jeans easily.

 

[AdonisSMU]

So basically just a minor update. iOS 7 isn't anything ground breaking, new colors, welcome to the 21st century, faster processor is a given, improved camera, again should be a given.

SO basically this is a minor update with an amazing new finger print scanner, wow.

How about a bigger screen, NFC, infrared, etc....

How about waiting until the announcement? secondly, NFC and infrared haven't gained any traction at all and a bigger screen is not innovation.

 

[Casiotone]

It's more difficult to revolt if you're repressed by a fascist government that have your fingerprints.

Good job apple!

Except that the output from the Authentec fingerprint reader cannot be used to reconstruct the fingerprint from the input.

 

[Nahaz]

But when do they ever have other surprises up their sleeves? The iPhone 4S didn't really have surprises. Neither did the 5 and neither did the 3GS or 3G.

Iphone 4s had Siri, Bluetooth 4.0 and 1080p video, and was 16GB out of the box, unlike the 8GB iPhone 4. The iPhone 4s was a dual antenna phone doing away with the different phones for different countries BS. The 4s had all the bands in it. The earlier iPhone 4 models supported either GSM or CDMA networks, Bluetooth 2.1, and only supported a maximum theoretical HSDPA download speed of 7.2 Mbps.

iPhone 5 had a larger screen, even though Steve Jobs said the size on the iPhone 4/4s screen was the perfect size. It also had 4G LTE. It also has 2.4 and 5Ghz WiFi, unlike it's earlier siblings.

I would consider both of those, even though known or leaked, better surprises than the rudimentary CPU, OS and Camera upgrades we all know seem to be standard on all new phones.

Wouldn't you?

 

[taylormmills]

What will be interesting is if there's more to this than just unlocking your device. I'm hoping that's where we maybe get a surprise tomorrow.

Me too! Did you see that report a couple of days ago about the patent for a fingerprint sensor & NFC integration? Other than the report about the patent, we haven't heard any rumors on iWallet or anything like that. It would be a nice surprise!

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/09/phenomenal-patent-details-fingerprint-scanner-with-advanced-nfc-application-built-right-into-the-home-button.html

 

[WestonHarvey1]

you have no idea what you're talking about, do you? no, neither end up as a string of 0s and 1s (presumably in a database) to get hacked by brute force. that isn't how hacking works. 0s and 1s are at the binary level, the machine level. hacking happens much further downstream.

Nothing you've said here makes any sense whatsoever. Would you please clarify what you just said? I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't just talking totally out of your you know what.

 

[576316]

Wow! I am super excited! Can't wait to replace my iPhone 4! It'll be like going from a Ford Focus to a Farari! The iPhone 5S is stacking up to be an incredible phone. Will a finger print scanner tip the 5 users into upgrading?

Ps. What are the chances of us being able to place orders after the event when the store comes back up?

 

[0029937]

Except that the output from the Authentec fingerprint reader cannot be used to reconstruct the fingerprint from the input.

Can you expand more please. If your saying what I think you're saying then this could be huge to calm people's worries about their privacy. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

 

[1Life]

Don't feed them. Just tell them to go already and buy one of those nice big phones and leave us in peace while we enjoy what we're happily getting. I'll get a iPad Mini for my bigger screen enjoyment. I want my phone to slip into my jeans easily.

Agreed. I don't really understand the people in love with what Samsung and Android offers but come here to complain why Apple isn't more like them. If they are happy with what they have why don't they just switch and be happy. They can pay less for their large screen phones and enjoy the Android features they clearly love so much.

 

[phd]

Except that the output from the Authentec fingerprint reader cannot be used to reconstruct the fingerprint from the input.

Curious.. What is your source for that?

 

[seble]

Iphone 4s had Siri, Bluetooth 4.0 and 1080p video, and was 16GB out of the box, unlike the 8GB iPhone 4. The iPhone 4s was a dual antenna phone doing away with the different phones for different countries BS. The 4s had all the bands in it. The earlier iPhone 4 models supported either GSM or CDMA networks, Bluetooth 2.1, and only supported a maximum theoretical HSDPA download speed of 7.2 Mbps.

iPhone 5 had a larger screen, even though Steve Jobs said the size on the iPhone 4/4s screen was the perfect size. It also had 4G LTE. It also has 2.4 and 5Ghz WiFi, unlike it's earlier siblings.

I would consider both of those, even though known or leaked, better surprises than the rudimentary CPU, OS and Camera upgrades we all know seem to be standard on all new phones.

Wouldn't you?

The origianl iPhone came in just 16 GB and 32 GB variants. When the 4S was released the 8G iPhone 4 came into existance.

 

[Sharkey311]

As long as the fingerprint sensor can be turned off at the hardware level, much like location services, I don't really care that it's on the device, but I sure as heck won't be using it. It's not even paranoia about the NSA, it's that I know how easy fingerprint sensors are to fool. Your phone is much more secure using a password.

A password is digital, 1s and 0s, a pass-fail condition. Either you enter your password or you don't. A fingerprint is analog, and the sensor can only determine with a certain degree of certainty if it's your finger, somebody else's finger, a picture of your finger, or any number of things. So the software creates a probability, instead of pass-fail, and the software decides if the finger (or whatever) it's seeing is "close enough". It's only a matter of time before somebody figures out what Apple thinks is "close enough" and is able to bypass your lock screen without your finger. The more strict the software, the less usable the sensor and the more frustrating it is for the user, so to be sure, Apple's software won't be terribly strict.

Let's not forget, you're using your iPhone with your fingers all the time. It won't be difficult for somebody to get your print off of the iPhone, and use it with a fake finger of some kind to unlock your device. A fingerprint sensor makes your iPhone secure in the same way the password system makes your iPhone secure if you engrave your password on the back of your iPhone. I'll also point out, you can't give up your password when you're unconscious, but you can give up your fingerprint.

And sure, what the heck, if it's not the NSA grabbing your fingerprints right off the sensor, it's going to be somebody else. If Apple's software can get the fingerprint sensor to activate and take a reading, somebody else's software can to. Perhaps criminals, perhaps well-meaning but ignorant software developers who themselves may get hacked. Even if your fingerprint isn't terribly valuable today, plenty of people think it'll be valuable in a few years as biometrics of all kinds are used for financial transactions or whatever else.

A password is simply better. It's digital, so the software isn't making a probability-based decision to let somebody in, and it's hidden away in your head, instead of left behind on everything you touch hundreds of times a day.

Wow what a pointless essay you've written. Don't talk about **** you have no knowledge of moron. It's not going to be that easy.