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Finally! The stand hours is a joke right now. I can stand at my desk for an entire hour and not get credit unless I put my arm down by my side for a minute.
The point of the goal one minute of standing with movement, stand is just a shortened name.

In fact standing at your desk resolutely all day is believed to be as detrimental as sitting all day.
 
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Well.. this kind of ruins the whole concept of the rings. Straight to the trash pile... It's just pointless now. So many awards will now be... meaningless. (I mean yeah, digital awards are largely meaningless, but now even more so...) But hey, anything for a fitness streaming service amirite?

I mean people will find ways to cheat, but they are only cheating themselves.
 
I like the “accountability“ of the stand and exercise rings, but I am glad they have added the ability to customize those. I workout about 4-5 times per week and usually end the day well over 12 hours stand and 30 mins of exercise. Btw, unless I missed it, will WatchOS 7 on Series 5 allow for the sleep tracking or that sensor based only in the Series 6?
 
Cuddle culture, everyone is a winner, participation trophies, there’s no losers, now let’s all hug and share a secret.
Or the optimistic way to look at this is allowing lower exercise and stand hour goals, it allows people who are not physically able to get 30 minutes of exercise a day (yet) a way to reach goals (close rings). I did this with my move goals. I started lower as I was working on getting in shape and then increased it over time to increase the challenge. Being able to increase (or decrease) the other rings is great. There are obviously downsides but the stand hours and exercise minutes are somewhat arbitrary (although there are good long-term health reasons to get 180 minutes of exercise per week).
 
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stand goal makes absolutely no sense to me.

i work a job that requires i stand for almost everything i do. someone sitting at a desk can walk for 1 min when they get the reminder, i can go the entire day and not clear the stand goal despite not sitting down for easily 10+ hours

This. I use a standing desk for half the day and yet i'll look down at my watch and the past two stand hours are not lit even though I've literally been on my feet for the entire time.

I understand the reason - the watch is essentially just looking for the crown pointing towards the ground, the same "algorithm" it's used since gen 1. Which is why if you are sitting and hang your arm down off the chair you'll get a stand hour.

My stand goal will be set to the minimum and forgotten about. It's just incredibly annoying to double your move/exercise goals and be missing one stand hour.
 
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This article brings another question to mind: Apple's AW6 presentation conflates hardware improvements and plain OS features, without even mentioning the existence of AW4 as a past benchmark (but somehow they still compare with AW3?!?). Could we somehow separate what's what?
 
They need to let us develop off day profiles. For example on my off day, I only want to burn 250 cal, 10 work out minutes, and 8 stand hours.

then let me assign this profile to Tuesday and Thursday since those are my rest days.

while this is a step in the right direction, it still sounds very manual.
This is an excellent idea. Right now, my September Activity/Fitness app goal is closing all 3 rings 21 times. In a 30-day month, this barely provides proper rest days. At the moment, I've closed my rings 15 times (as of end of day Sept. 15) and you can do the math on what that means. I absolutely know, however, that when I do get done this challenge, my move goal is going from 400 calories per day to 225-ish so that I can be a sloth for a couple of days and let my body recover.
 
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My stand goal will be set to the minimum and forgotten about. It's just incredibly annoying to double your move/exercise goals and be missing one stand hour.
I’m in the same boat, stand almost all day but still miss an hour or two here and there.
 
I have actually moved my stand ring through a sitting conversation in which I'm gesticulating wildly with my arms, so it's an imperfect science at best.
 
stand goal makes absolutely no sense to me.

i work a job that requires i stand for almost everything i do. someone sitting at a desk can walk for 1 min when they get the reminder, i can go the entire day and not clear the stand goal despite not sitting down for easily 10+ hours
You only need to move your wrist gently for 20 seconds or so to get a stand hour. I can't believe you can't manage that.
 
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This is nice but the values seem odd. Basically they are letting people close their rings without trying now? I can understand increasing. Also, why the max values? Maybe I want to make sure to get 120 exercise minutes and 16 stand hours.
I assume to stop people from hurting themselves by going overboard.
 
This is an excellent idea. Right now, my September Activity/Fitness app goal is closing all 3 rings 21 times. In a 30-day month, this barely provides proper rest days. At the moment, I've closed my rings 15 times (as of end of day Sept. 15) and you can do the math on what that means. I absolutely know, however, that when I do get done this challenge, my move goal is going from 400 calories per day to 225-ish so that I can be a sloth for a couple of days and let my body recovery.
My goal this month is to get 4,640 exercise minutes. Not sure why the weird number. Currently at 3,346 minutes of exercise this month. 😎
 
Finally! The stand hours is a joke right now. I can stand at my desk for an entire hour and not get credit unless I put my arm down by my side for a minute.

I work PT as a pharmacist for a large drugstore chain and, when I work, I am standing for 8-9 hours straight, yet my watch will remind me to 'stand' for a minute.... :p
 
Or the optimistic way to look at this is allowing lower exercise and stand hour goals, it allows people who are not physically able to get 30 minutes of exercise a day (yet) a way to reach goals (close rings). I did this with my move goals. I started lower as I was working on getting in shape and then increased it over time to increase the challenge. Being able to increase (or decrease) the other rings is great. There are obviously downsides but the stand hours and exercise minutes are somewhat arbitrary (although there are good long-term health reasons to get 180 minutes of exercise per week).

I agree, I should have said so, I was responding to the question about what “no child left behind” alluded too.

My opinion is, if people are stupid enough to cheat, let them, they’re the loser in this scenario. You can do it now, swing your arm for standing, use workout/other and sit on your backside for half an hour.

Like others, I just wish there was an option for rest days. I workout 5 times a week, deliberately doing very little on the other two days.
 
the hell does this mean?...lol?

When I lived in the US a program was launched in schools “no child left behind”. There was a lot of criticism for that program as it tended to dumb down the exams in favor of no child left behind policy.
 
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Finally! The stand hours is a joke right now. I can stand at my desk for an entire hour and not get credit unless I put my arm down by my side for a minute.
if I’m not mistaken, the idea is to like…stand up and move around a bit, not just literally stand up and stay still hahah—something to do with proper circulation/preventing things like DVT/etc. I only get it by a) standing up b) walking around a bit in my house (<30s), but I realize a work environment could complicate that in an infinite number of ways, so this does seem like a step in the right direction!
 
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Well.. this kind of ruins the whole concept of the rings. Straight to the trash pile... It's just pointless now. So many awards will now be... meaningless. (I mean yeah, digital awards are largely meaningless, but now even more so...) But hey, anything for a fitness streaming service amirite?
Not really...like anything else in life: Cheaters KNOW they have cheated. As long as one doesn't cheat nothing has changed!
 
My goal this month is to get 4,640 exercise minutes. Not sure why the weird number. Currently at 3,346 minutes of exercise this month. 😎

I have had months where Apple wants me to accumulate, say, 122.8 km of walking or running per month. Which is not only weird, it doesn't even convert to a nice even Imperial measurements number.

Which actually brings me to another pet peeve with the monthly activity challenges when it wants total distance - for me, it has *always* excluded cycling, which is one of my favourite cardio activities, in favour of walking/running/hiking. It won't even let me use elliptical workouts to cover that.
 
Well.. this kind of ruins the whole concept of the rings. Straight to the trash pile... It's just pointless now. So many awards will now be... meaningless. (I mean yeah, digital awards are largely meaningless, but now even more so...) But hey, anything for a fitness streaming service amirite?
they’re not “meaningless” to anyone who sets/meets them and actually takes them seriously, regardless of what their goals are set to. since we’re on the note of Fitness+, this idea was probably developed hand-in-hand with it, so that people who are just starting to get in shape can feel some sense of motivation/reward when they close their rings, even if it’s not a full 30 minutes of exercise. then maybe one day they can work up to 60 minutes! (former smoker who’s always had weight issues speaking here) it’s not unlike the difference between knocking one cig off your day every day and just going cold turkey. one gives you a goal to work towards, the other gives you a quite serious sense of physiological hell for…a while. (p.s.—major kudos to anyone who’s quit cold turkey, seriously!)
 
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My knee jerk reaction was this sounds like the everyone gets a trophy thing. I changed my mind though. If lowering the bar works better and motivates some folks then what the hell. These are personal goals after all.
 
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