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Weak iPhone 7 Demand Predictions Continue With 'Conservative' Chip Orders

MH01 said:
Can I ask what the changes were to subsidised contract structures ? In Europe we get 24 months plans, and you generally get the handset for very little depending on how much you want to spend on the plan.
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I'm going with "pro" they can charge extra for that
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Most carriers in the US have moved away from 24 month upgrades to "bring your own device"/month-to-month contracts. You can go to verizonwireless.com and build a plan to see how they work. It's really what it sounds like. No contract, you pay monthly and you either buy your device from Apple or essentially "finance" it from apple/whoever.

The key is the financing, I think. That's pretty much what the $450 (or whatever) subsidy was doing under the 2-year contracts. The thing is, now you have to actually have good credit to do the financing (I think, I haven't done it but I've read of others getting denied)...

But yeah, that's it in a nutshell. I am "grandfathered" into the 2-year "more everything" plan on Verizon so I get my phones subsidized for now and I'm still on a 2-year plan. I'll probably, eventually, have to switch but until then, I'm fine with it how it is.
 
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msi92 said:
Apple take notice! this is a sign.

People want something new!
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I don't know if that's the problem so much as people being put off by the supposed loss of the headphone jack and the rumours of significant improvements on the 2017 model.
 
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joeblow7777 said:
I don't know if that's the problem so much as people being put off by the supposed loss of the headphone jack and the rumours of significant improvements on the 2017 model.
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Yeah if I had been due for an upgrade now, I would've wanted the iPhone 7, but rumors of this super-innovative iPhone 8 make the 7 seem pointless to me.

Sure, there's always something new and better "around the corner", but the iPhone 8 seems like it's significantly new and better, and the iPhone 7 isn't.
 
msi92 said:
Apple take notice! this is a sign.

People want something new!
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I don't know if it's that people feel they want anything new rather when something really new is presented they'll suddenly want and need it. That my friends is the :apple: way!

MH01 said:
For a company that resolves around one product line, for the majority of its profits , for them to expect poor sales ( conservative orders)....not buying it. Apple cannot afford to have a dud year with the iPhone .
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Can they though? Pretty sure Apple can afford to ride out a few slower years. It'd have to be a perfect storm to really threaten Apple now. Like the EU and other countries finally demanding more tax, massive drops in iPhone sales, further trouble in China and that would have to be only the start!
 
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macs4nw said:
Everybody's waiting for that radically-redesigned, all-glass, wrap-around, OLED, iPhone8...... magical really..... :D
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I have this fantasy (sad I know) of an all-sapphire unbreakable iPhone where you can't even tell where the screen starts and stops!

Because the screen needs to be removable I doubt this is possible though unfortunately. There would have to be a barrier between the front and rear glass pieces.

What do you call a child that's boring before it's even been born? I think that's what this iPhone 6ss/7 is.
 
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I wouldn't call it "weak demand" but more of a testament to how long iPhones last and a but furthermore, market saturation. If the iPhone 7 was the very first model, you'd high no market saturation and high demand and high sales.
 
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Leonard1818 said:
Most carriers in the US have moved away from 24 month upgrades to "bring your own device"/month-to-month contracts. You can go to verizonwireless.com and build a plan to see how they work. It's really what it sounds like. No contract, you pay monthly and you either buy your device from Apple or essentially "finance" it from apple/whoever.

The key is the financing, I think. That's pretty much what the $450 (or whatever) subsidy was doing under the 2-year contracts. The thing is, now you have to actually have good credit to do the financing (I think, I haven't done it but I've read of others getting denied)...

But yeah, that's it in a nutshell. I am "grandfathered" into the 2-year "more everything" plan on Verizon so I get my phones subsidized for now and I'm still on a 2-year plan. I'll probably, eventually, have to switch but until then, I'm fine with it how it is.
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I see , thank you for the explanation.
 
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Eh, my iPhone 6S is good enough for another year (or more)...I'd wait on the iPhone 8 next year. Nowadays phone are so good you don't have to upgrade every year.
 
mark my words they will barely change anything yet charge 50€ extra cuz the entry model starts at 32GB.

thisisnotmyname said:
Just anything or are there specific missing features that make you not want the next handset?
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couldn't care less about features at this point to be honest. phones are mature enough now, you don't usually update your Mac book every two years either. I just want a new design. I am not buying the same thing twice especially at the price point the iPhone is
 
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simonmet said:
Can they though? Pretty sure Apple can afford to ride out a few slower years. It'd have to be a perfect storm to really threaten Apple now. Like the EU and other countries finally demanding more tax, massive drops in iPhone sales, further trouble in China and that would have to be only the start!
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I'm not sure how that would go down with the shareholders. Apple can definitely afford a few lean years, but I'm not sure the fans and shareholders will accept it, if it's due to crap products being offered. From rumours the 7 sounds like a lemon upgrade. Tech is not the issue, apple has always used existing tech to deliver, innovation is the problem . And innovation does not mean tech not being available.
 
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bushido said:
mark my words they will barely change anything yet charge 50€ extra cuz the entry model starts at 32GB.
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Agreed. There will also be a price hike due to increase in storage.

The removal of the headphone jack sealed it for me. First time I'm not upgrading .

Instead the inner geek in me went for this in 2016

http://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/events/injustice/

Big fan of batman, and could not resist.
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DrumApple said:
Hey what's more important, developing a next-gen iPhone or figuring out how to add bubbly effects and emojis in the Messages iOS 10 app!
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The ability to disable bubbly effects and emojis in messages......! Hope they got the best people on the disable button!!
 
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I know I will do what I've done the last couple of updates - I won't need a new iPhone, but someone in my family will accidentally destroy their iPhone (we have two 5s's, one 6, one 6+ and I sport a 6s+) and I'll grab the upgrade, passing down my 6s+ to whoever destroyed their phone.

Like others on here, I'm more interested in the next shift to a different case design / material, than I am for incremental upgrades of existing tech. The dual cameras sound interesting, but I could care less about any potential headphone jack change. I don't use wired headphones, so it's no loss or benefit for me if Apple moves to Lightning headphones. If they offer bluetooth buds, great, but I don't see that happening at this point.
 
I guess we'll see, but a bad scenario would be a modest update, followed by supply shortages due to timid buying of components, followed by faulty software and/or hardware. That's not really the technology cycle that Apple wants to be known for....
 
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They really need to start thinking outside of the box. Like iPhone in 2007 out of the box. Something very different. The current iPhone 6s is just a stretched and thinned hardware upgrade version of 2007. iPhone 7 seems more of the same. I'm perfectly happy with my iPhone 6s+ and really no reason to change until it wears out in a few years.

Show me something I didn't know I needed like in 2007. Until then, boring. Not buying.
 
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iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus
iPhone 6e and iPhone 6e Plus

e stands for Enhanced. A word Apple may use. Then in 2017 the big guns

iPhone 7
iPhone 7 Pro
 
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