Except that the test described in the article didn't compare HTML5 to Flash. It compared various H.264 decoders to Flash. The author of the article has an awful understanding of the test.
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Except that the test described in the article didn't compare HTML5 to Flash. It compared various H.264 decoders to Flash. The author of the article has an awful understanding of the test.
One of the needs of *yours*, which means that you think that *your* needs are what Apple needs to meet. Not everyone has *your* needs. If Apple doesn't meet *your* needs, go elsewhere and stop complaining here.
I have no need for Flash, I'm happy with Apple - that's why *I'm* here. Why would someone who isn't happy with Apple come here and complain about something (over and over and over and over again) they will never provide?
"Insanity is when you keep doing the same things expecting different results."
Same story, different voice
Different take on the story. Especially the headline.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/24/faster.android.hurt.specifically.by.flash/
And having watched the video comparison, Froyo finished behind the iPhone in the first two tests, you know THE EASY ONES.
So much for significantly faster.
Different take on the story. Especially the headline.
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/05/24/faster.android.hurt.specifically.by.flash/
And having watched the video comparison, Froyo finished behind the iPhone in the first two tests, you know THE EASY ONES.
So much for significantly faster.
I'm a fan of Apple, I'm Also male - guess I'm a fan boy and? I never get this one. I'd be stupid to buy something I wasn't a fan of?
Some of us don't want flash on their Macs - we use C2F.
These same people don't want flash on their phones - we have a choice - don't buy a phone that doesn't support flash - easy!
I hated flash 10 years ago when I used windows, I don't remember getting the memo from Steve telling me to hate flash back then, guess I'm still waiting for it. Oh hold the phone I can think for myself.
I'd get the Mr Sheen out and give those crystal balls of yours a clean 'cause they don't seem to be working for you, if you are in fact trying to dictate to people what they are thinking?
Hey what colour underwear I'm I wearing?
Yawn zzzzzz
I use ClickToFlash on my Mac, it's not often I have to 'Click to Flash'!
Some people were saying, it's not up to Jobs to make these decisions etc etc,
I think Steve Jobs has been around longer than most in the Computing Industry, before Adobe & Google. I think he's got more rights....
Some people were saying, it's not up to Jobs to make these decisions etc etc,
I think Steve Jobs has been around longer than most in the Computing Industry, before Adobe & Google. I think he's got more rights....
It looks like flash is well... still flash.
As for the performance without flash enabled... I thought the Nexus One was slightly faster even before 2.2? You would expect it to be given it's faster CPU... but it isn't that much quicker and to me, given the choppy gestures and movements I'd much rather have the smoothness that the iPhone & the HD2 offered.
Can't really say I'm all that impressed after seeing it run in real world conditions. With the new iPhone around the corner & sure to be optimised code to be releases with it, Android's so called advantage doesn't seem all that big anymore.
Business as usual it seems.
As for the performance without flash enabled... I thought the Nexus One was slightly faster even before 2.2? You would expect it to be given it's faster CPU... but it isn't that much quicker and to me, given the choppy gestures and movements I'd much rather have the smoothness that the iPhone & the HD2 offered.
Can't really say I'm all that impressed after seeing it run in real world conditions. With the new iPhone around the corner & sure to be optimised code to be releases with it, Android's so called advantage doesn't seem all that big anymore.
Business as usual it seems.
Love is blind...
FACT: if an iPhone cannot load a given web page [with embedded Flash] then the time it takes to load that page - for comparison with Android etc - will be infinite; hence [for this type of browsing, where Flash is important to the user] the iPhone will always be slower than Flash enabled smart phones, as it will always fail (even given infinite time) to correctly render such pages..
FACT: if an iPhone cannot load a given web page [with embedded Flash] then the time it takes to load that page - for comparison with Android etc - will be infinite; hence [for this type of browsing, where Flash is important to the user] the iPhone will always be slower than Flash enabled smart phones, as it will always fail (even given infinite time) to correctly render such pages..
OMG you're so right!!! It's not like all computers lag from time to time.
The iPhone is good about covering its lag though. It just shows a long stretch of a checkerboard image whenever it can't keep up.
For some reason Apple thinks that users would rather see a blank page than see some minor tearing as they scroll.
If you want to cut corners in all the right places just look at the entire iPhone OS. Splash screens that look like the actual application, checkerboards when scrolling, killing all third party apps when certain boot issues occur (without telling the user), etc.
Trust me friend, sense ui is pretty but it's a laggy resource hog. I own a droid eris and every time I use it it makes me wish that my iPod touch made phone calls.
Android is a fun os but it's a bitch when it comes to resources. Any os that needs a 3rd party task killer installed almost by default means it has problems. I love google's ethics but android is a joke compared to the iPhone os. It just isn't well thought out nor is it user friendly.
Granted id rather have it than a dumbphone, but i tell you all, when the iPhone is out on verizon, my little eris is gonna be put down like one of those biological mistakes you see in scifi movies.
This makes me think of the lovely "Best viewed with IE" or "Designed for Netscape." Why have a single technology, product, or company rule what the user experience is? If someone's site is completely around Flash, that sounds like *they* are pigeon-holing themselves.
That is, until the website in question decides to switch to a Flash-less solution because they have no choice if they want to potentially reach 80+ million of these popular iPhone OS devices. Then, the webpage will load on the iPhone, and will load faster for everyone including Android users, thanks to Apple.
I know I'm going to get roasted for this but... choice isn't always a good thing.
Wait, hear me out before reaching for the flamethrowers. Yes, for technical users having the option to turn on flash when needed is a bonus but the iPhone isn't really targeted at that group. It's aimed, as are most of Apple's products, at a much wider market (although of course geeks will use it). That market will not, by and large, be comfortable with the idea of turning something off and on in order to view content or even tapping to activate flash content as they won't know what that content is or why it's asking them to decide whether to view it or not. If you go the other way and have flash on all the time you will have those same users complaining about poor performance and battery life.
This is the harsh reality of tech products today - the majority of people using them don't give a damn about anything technical, they just want it to be as simple to use as possible. In that environment you can't afford to have anything on the device that doesn't work and flash, as it is now, clearly doesn't work as well as it needs to in order to be seamless on a mobile device.
If you don't like it then by all means go buy an Android device. Buy the best device for you and ignore the complete and total numpities who will attack you based on your choice of OS, you'll be a lot happier in the long run. But also recognise that different markets need different choices and that there is a LARGE section of the smartphone market that doesn't mind trading some of their options for ease of use.
Wait, hear me out before reaching for the flamethrowers. Yes, for technical users having the option to turn on flash when needed is a bonus but the iPhone isn't really targeted at that group. It's aimed, as are most of Apple's products, at a much wider market (although of course geeks will use it). That market will not, by and large, be comfortable with the idea of turning something off and on in order to view content or even tapping to activate flash content as they won't know what that content is or why it's asking them to decide whether to view it or not. If you go the other way and have flash on all the time you will have those same users complaining about poor performance and battery life.
This is the harsh reality of tech products today - the majority of people using them don't give a damn about anything technical, they just want it to be as simple to use as possible. In that environment you can't afford to have anything on the device that doesn't work and flash, as it is now, clearly doesn't work as well as it needs to in order to be seamless on a mobile device.
If you don't like it then by all means go buy an Android device. Buy the best device for you and ignore the complete and total numpities who will attack you based on your choice of OS, you'll be a lot happier in the long run. But also recognise that different markets need different choices and that there is a LARGE section of the smartphone market that doesn't mind trading some of their options for ease of use.
Year-old iPhone against current Nexus One?
Is it just me? Or, is this comparing a current Nexus One with a 1GHz processor to a year-old 3Gs with a 640 MHz processor and a year-old OS? Let's see how the Nexus One with Froyo competes against the new iPhone when it is released in the next month or so. THEN, you will be offering a more fair comparison. No?!?
Is it just me? Or, is this comparing a current Nexus One with a 1GHz processor to a year-old 3Gs with a 640 MHz processor and a year-old OS? Let's see how the Nexus One with Froyo competes against the new iPhone when it is released in the next month or so. THEN, you will be offering a more fair comparison. No?!?
And thats EXACTLY the problem. Thank you for pointing it out. These sites need to change things so that flash is not required, or they just need to go away.
As a few people have noted - just because the choice (re: Flash) doesn't matter to you doesn't make it meaningless to others.
For me, it doesn't matter - I think Flash is a technology that's past its prime and needs to go away. If I knew Flash was going to die tomorrow, I'd probably wake up with a smile on my face (Note to the thick: if this forum had a "hyperbole" tag I would've just used it). But if you like Flash, I'm not going to pretend having Android support it isn't good news for you. However if I had an Android phone, turning Flash off in the browser would be the first thing I'd do - just like it is on my computer.
For me, it doesn't matter - I think Flash is a technology that's past its prime and needs to go away. If I knew Flash was going to die tomorrow, I'd probably wake up with a smile on my face (Note to the thick: if this forum had a "hyperbole" tag I would've just used it). But if you like Flash, I'm not going to pretend having Android support it isn't good news for you. However if I had an Android phone, turning Flash off in the browser would be the first thing I'd do - just like it is on my computer.
I did an experiment, I loaded a page with IMAGES on one phone, and the same page WITHOUT IMAGES, on a different phone. The results where as SURPRISING as the ones here. The phone WITHOUT IMAGES loaded A LOT faster! Can you even believe it?
In a related test, loading pages without INTERNET was much faster on very large sites, but slower on fast sights such as Google...
I totally recommend turning of IMAGES and the INTERNET as waiting for content slows down loading times.
In a related test, loading pages without INTERNET was much faster on very large sites, but slower on fast sights such as Google...
I totally recommend turning of IMAGES and the INTERNET as waiting for content slows down loading times.
Did you make the move from Beta to VHS? I did, and the VHS decks at the time were incredibly clunky compared to the Beta decks.
Hit the "Fast Forward" button - after a fraction of a second the Beta deck was running the video speeded up with some artifacts. Hit "Fast Forward" on a VHS deck, and after about 3 seconds of noises that sounded like a garbage disposal digesting a whole chicken and a salad fork the video would start - but barely recognizable.
It's one of those "fit and finish" issues that Apple fans claim to be so highly important - Beta was like a nice German sports sedan. VHS was like an East German truck.
Then Sony came out with their high-end line of VHS decks - with the quietness and responsiveness of the Beta decks.
Yes - years after Beta was gone VHS could approach its quality. Any question about why Beta remained king in the professional space?
As The Steve might say in a brutally terse email - "educate yourself".
Anyway, Google won't stop flash even if they think it kinda sucks. That decision lies with the handset manufacturers. Google won't stop handset manufacturers stopping flash. You can get Google's software and can do pretty much whatever you wan't with it. If you want to print it out and burn it in your yard while screaming: "Die, Google, Die!", Google won't stop you.
Google has very little control over what the software is used for. That's kinda the point of all that openness they're talking about.
Google has very little control over what the software is used for. That's kinda the point of all that openness they're talking about.
Oh, and on the whole speed test versus iPhone thing, may I suggest waiting a few weeks and doing the same tests on the new iPhone with whatever hardware upgrades over the 3GS that has and iPhone OS 4? That'll be a much more interesting test as right now you're comparing the newest hardware (more or less) and software with a year-old product.
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Did you see the sunspider test done against the iPad at Google I/O? The Nexus beat it easily, even with the iPads 1ghz A4.
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Did you see the sunspider test done against the iPad at Google I/O? The Nexus beat it easily, even with the iPads 1ghz A4.
Indeed
I won't be looking at any iDevice anymore until Apple wakes up to users needs and one of those needs is definitely Flash support...
If Apple met the Flash need, you would be complaining about speed and battery life.