Web Browsing Performance on Android 2.2 Hampered by Flash Compatibility

[After G]

I think you must have the Mac in mind rather than Windows PCs. Flash works, and it works well. I can turn it on and off as I desire. I'm sorry if your experience on the Mac isn't the same, but hey, you did pick a computer with a tiny marketshare, so you can't really complain that all software isn't super optimised. Maybe you should have got a Windows PC if you didn't want a crappy Flash experience then eh?

The problem is Flash only has worked "well" on Windows. I can turn it on and off just the same on the Mac. I could get H.264 hardware acceleration with Gala (which has taken far too long in coming, and doesn't support my old Mini). It has taken too long and Flash sucks hard for anything not Windows. "Not my problem, doesn't affect me." is hardly the best solution.

Apple + Adobe collaboration + Full Apple Hardware Support for Flash = Problem Solved.

Steve isn't trying to fix it, hes pushing his own agenda.

Making all computers require Flash hardware isn't a solution... That's pushing Adobe's agenda. Why doesn't Adobe make their own hardware support and sell it to chip vendors / phone makers?

Do the research, my statements are true. You're the one making numbers up. 100million iphone OS devices? Where did you pull that rabbit from? Oh or did you mean by the year 2020?

Android devices are selling at a rate of over 100,000 per day, every day.

http://www.tipb.com/2010/04/08/50-m...on-ipod-touches-85-million-iphone-os-devices/

Apple has sold 85 million devices (iPod + iPhone) since 2007. Only 15 million away to 100 million. Projections are for 8-10 million iPads and a large number of the next iPhone. You're getting pretty close to 100 milliion there, and that's by the end of this year.

If you divide the number of iPhone OS devices by the number of years they've been available, you get around 50,000 devices a day, even if you include the rest of this year and Apple doesn't sell a single device more.

More food for thought:

Apple has already sold 2 million iPads...over 200,000 per week, and is projected to sell 8-10 million by the end of this year. For only having 3 devices (phone, touch, and pad) Apple is doing decently.

Regarding your Android numbers ... I looked them up.

100,000 activations / day is the average for this month. Last month was quite a bit less at 65,000.

 

[solid12345]

I'm not going to comment about whether Apple should include Flash or not, what I will ask is why so many people are so damn adamant about having Flash on a mobile period.

95% of Flash games are amateurish garbage, animated ads are annoying in general, are websites built in flash something I sincerely want to go on a phone? Sure you got the 1% cases like Hulu but i'd much rather see them optimized for a particular platform like the iphone than get a choppy experience like this.

It is funny how it seems those who most demand Flash on a Apple product probably don't even own one to begin with, there have been little to no times the last 2 years i've owned an iphone I felt "damn I wish I had Flash!", if I want it that bad i'll go get on my PC, a phone is not meant to be the end-all internet browser.

 

[skyehill]

Innovation is not about doing things first. It is about doing things right.

Is the right way offering no option whatsoever to consumers that want it as an option? Have been asking for it as a configurable option for years? What's Apple waiting for that will make it this magical "right" you speak of? Put down the Kool Aid.

 

[Compile 'em all]

I did an experiment, I loaded a page with IMAGES on one phone, and the same page WITHOUT IMAGES, on a different phone. The results where as SURPRISING as the ones here. The phone WITHOUT IMAGES loaded A LOT faster! Can you even believe it?

In a related test, loading pages without INTERNET was much faster on very large sites, but slower on fast sights such as Google...

I totally recommend turning of IMAGES and the INTERNET as waiting for content slows down loading times.

What is it that you don't get?

The drat phone was acting like a turtle AFTER FLASH LOADED (even with some low-on memory goodness). Did you watch some other video?

Keep convincing yourself that FLASH IS GOOD AND MAKES YOUR BROWSING EXPERIENCE BETTER though.

 

[Compile 'em all]

Is the right way offering no option whatsoever to consumers that want it as an option? Have been asking for it as a configurable option for years? What's Apple waiting for that will make it this magical "right" you speak of? Put down the Kool Aid.

Yes. Offering no choice is the right way.

99.9% of consumers don't like choice. The other 0.1% will forever be ranting here on the forums or comment on Engadget articles.

 

[Lord Vader]

You are not completely accurate with regard to HD-DVD and Bluray. From a disc manufacturing point of view HD-DVD was more compatible with DVDs. However, the bulk of the patents for HD-DVD was owned by Toshiba. More hardware companies had stake in Bluray. Also, Bluray was more scalable compared to HD-DVD. Also, the max bitrate was also much higher. I am glad Bluray won out.

I have Serenity both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. No difference.

 

[Mal]

"We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it"

Steve Jobs
Thoughts on Flash
April, 2010

Hehe, that's still true today!

jW

 

[arbourable]

Is the right way offering no option whatsoever to consumers that want it as an option? Have been asking for it as a configurable option for years? What's Apple waiting for that will make it this magical "right" you speak of? Put down the Kool Aid.

If you want flash, then you're best getting an Andriod phone. Those that don't care about flash can go with Apple if they wish. There's an option for ya.

 

[skyehill]

Yes. Offering no choice is the right way.

99.9% of consumers don't like choice. The other 0.1% will forever be ranting here on the forums or comment on Engadget articles.

Yeah, who wants to watch movies at their most fantastic?! NO CHOICE IS GREAT. GO GO APPLE!

 

[FoxyKaye]

Proof positive that Flash is a dog no matter where it shows up. Adobe has been touting this partnership with Google to put Flash on Android like it's the Second Coming.

I'll likely just disable it on my Nexus One, since the only time I'd use it would be to watch Hulu (which is currently possible using a 3rd party browser on Android in "desktop" mode and the new Flash support), I can't really see the point of keeping it enabled.

 

[cleric]

From the video "And lets see how scrolling is, oh its much better on froyo now that we turned off flash."

No it isn't smooth and it never will be cause google doesn't give a ****. This blows me away that the rendering is still bad this far in to android.

 

[skyehill]

If you want flash, then you're best getting an Andriod phone. Those that don't care about flash can go with Apple if they wish. There's an option for ya.

Based on everything else it showed, without Flash, it smoked the iPhone. And here's some tests they didnt run but I've done on my own during my two years with an iPhone - Making phone calls. The iPhone's biggest drawback is that its a god-awful PHONE. What's amusing is that my wife has a phone on the ATT network as well and it never drops calls like the iPhone does. Hmmmm.

 

[rdlink]

I hope Flash is around for a while. It's why I got an Aluminum MacBook Pro. Go to MLB.com, turn on the baseball game, throw a hot dog on one of my palm rests, and viola! Fully cooked by the 2nd inning.

 

[arbourable]

Just a question... if Flash is such an integral part of the web, why does Google offer it as an option? Is it because what SJ says is true?

 

[kiljoy616]

Better to have the choice to view Flash if you want rather than no choice at all. Looks pretty good actually! And this version of Flash is beta, so hopefully it'll get better still. Google are doing a really great job with Android right now, there's a lot of impressive things coming from them just now.

You do have a choice, get a Google Phone. Choice is good.

 

[gianly1985]

The funny part is that this is supposed to be the best implementation ever
So people in the last 3 years tossed **** at Apple because the other phones could run Flash WORSE THAN THAT?

 

[WilliamG]

I hope Flash is around for a while. It's why I got an Aluminum MacBook Pro. Go to MLB.com, turn on the baseball game, throw a hot dog on one of my palm rests, and viola! Fully cooked by the 2nd inning.

lol!

 

[arbourable]

Based on everything else it showed, without Flash, it smoked the iPhone. And here's some tests they didnt run but I've done on my own during my two years with an iPhone - Making phone calls. The iPhone's biggest drawback is that its a god-awful PHONE. What's amusing is that my wife has a phone on the ATT network as well and it never drops calls like the iPhone does. Hmmmm.

Hmmm, I worried about that too, but over here in the UK (on O2) I've not had a dropped call in over 6 months. So I guess it depends on your experience, or maybe carrier?

 

[Lord Vader]

There is no such thing as "Google Phone". One of few HTC templates with android on top is not "A Google Phone". You need actually design it for it to be yours.

 

[andy721]

what

a complete utter moron, no s**t it's slow it'll always be slow until you upgrade to dual core.

 

[wovel]

Point is, even with flash.. Android browser is still faster than iphones..

If you really wanna know lets test non-flash vs flash or

flash vs. flash.. oh wait...

So Android is better for looking at Ads, excellent. They did not show a single page where android was faster at loading any content you actually wanted to look at.

I did an experiment, I loaded a page with IMAGES on one phone, and the same page WITHOUT IMAGES, on a different phone. The results where as SURPRISING as the ones here. The phone WITHOUT IMAGES loaded A LOT faster! Can you even believe it?

In a related test, loading pages without INTERNET was much faster on very large sites, but slower on fast sights such as Google...

I totally recommend turning of IMAGES and the INTERNET as waiting for content slows down loading times.

Except people want to look at pictures and they are a standardized part of the web where browser developers can use their own code to render them. On the other hand, we have flash..A closed proprietary pile of suck that depends on one company that has demonstrated time and again they are not very good at making a working browser plugin.

If you want flash, then you're best getting an Andriod phone. Those that don't care about flash can go with Apple if they wish. There's an option for ya.

+1 X2 etc...It is not like Apple is telling you that you can use flash and then keeping it from you. There is a very easy choice to make for anyone who wants flash 10 on a phone. Wait till Adobe releases a stable mobile flash 10 player (And good luck with that!) and then buy a phone that supports it...

There is no such thing as "Google Phone". One of few HTC templates with android on top is not "A Google Phone". You need actually design it for it to be yours.

http://www.google.com/phone was my reply. Then I re-read your post and found I agree with you

 

[arbourable]

Yes. Offering no choice is the right way.

99.9% of consumers don't like choice. The other 0.1% will forever be ranting here on the forums or comment on Engadget articles.

+1

Choice is a crock. The "Tech Savvy" will never understand that.

 

[twilson]

Is Nexus One faster than 3GS really that surprising?

Preliminary indications based on benchmarks suggest that its speed easily exceeds that of Android 2.1 and should significantly surpass that of the iPhone 3GS.

To be honest it would be a piss-poor effort if Android 2.2 on a Nexus One wasn't faster than an iPhone 3GS, considering it has a 66% faster CPU and more than twice the RAM of a 3GS.

One from the no-****-sherlock dept really.

 

[wovel]

To be honest it would be a piss-poor effort if Android 2.2 on a Nexus One wasn't faster than an iPhone 3GS, considering it has a 66% faster CPU and more than twice the RAM of a 3GS.

One from the no-****-sherlock dept really.

I think this really says something about just how bad flash is. "Making your web browsing experience feel like you are using a device that is 66% slower with half as much ram -- one block ad at a time."

 

[skyehill]

+1

Choice is a crock. The "Tech Savvy" will never understand that.

I have Netflix. I have a ps3 that plays blurays and DVDs. I CHOOSE to rent the Bluray versions unless I'm taking the movie to a family members home that has no bluray player. Hmmm choice is a wonderful thing. ...to everyone except fanboys apparently.