iPad Well....16 GB was a mistake

[gotluck]

Lol no one is forcing you to buy an iPad at all. Go and buy another competing companies tablet that offers a higher storage capacity for the price range.

Lots of people are very happy with a 16GB iPad still. Just because it doesn't match you doesn't mean other people aren't happy with it.

Btw, I do agree that Apple should increase their storage minimums, but this was about it being apples fault for not.

Who said I was forced? It is no one but apples fault the base storage is 16gig. I use network storage along with a hootoo tripmate for my storage needs. I fail to see how it is anyone but apples doing. iPad is best in class but I refuse to get hosed on the storage. Thankfully Apple hasn't lockdowned file management and streaming over wifi so I can work around the nauseating markup on storage.

 

[conorporter]

With the second from the bottom iPhone/iPad you pay £100 for 16GB extra storage.

With the top iPhone/second top iPad you pay £100 for 32GB extra storage. (or £200 for 48GB extra = £100 per 24GB)

With the top iPad you pay £100 for 64GB extra storage. (or £300 for 112GB extra = £100 per ~37GB)

Quite clearly that shows 128GB iPad/64GB iPhone = best value.

I am aware of the cost per GB and was suggesting that the teardown component cost will show Apple capturing larger MARGIN on 64/128GB models.

It only costs Apple $51 more to deliver the 128GB over a 16GB but YOU PAY $300 more. What is your argument exactly?

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/Ne...eration-iPad-Model-,IHS-Teardown-Reveals.aspx

 

[OTACORB]

I am aware of the cost per GB and was suggesting that the teardown component cost will show Apple capturing larger MARGIN on 64/128GB models.

It only costs Apple $51 more to deliver the 128GB over a 16GB but YOU PAY $300 more. What is your argument exactly?

I do not think there is an argument, clearly Apple is nothing but about profit and until folks start talking with there wallets instead of on forums it will not change.

I know your post was not directed to me but if you want or need higher capacity and wish to stay with Apple it's very simple! You gotta pay to play! Not defending them by any means just stating the obvious.

 

[rui no onna]

I am aware of the cost per GB and was suggesting that the teardown component cost will show Apple capturing larger MARGIN on 64/128GB models.

It only costs Apple $51 more to deliver the 128GB over a 16GB but YOU PAY $300 more. What is your argument exactly?

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/Ne...eration-iPad-Model-,IHS-Teardown-Reveals.aspx

I think his argument is the second from bottom model isn't best value like you stated earlier. From a storage perspective, from 16GB you're paying $6.25/GB ($100/16GB) to go to 32GB, $4.17/GB ($200/48GB) for 64GB, and $2.67/GB ($300/112GB) for 128GB. If you check the profit margins (wi-fi), the biggest jump in profit margin is from 16 to 32 (+8%). From 32 to 64, the increase is just +5% and from 64 to 128, increase in profit margin is almost flat (+1%). Incidentally, if they had a 256GB iPad at $899, profit margin would actually be lower than the 64GB iPad's.

Really, best value is 16GB. Alas, that's not really enough if you have tons of content and don't have easy access to free/inexpensive internet.

 

[three]

Depending on how many apps you plan on getting in addition to the movies for long trips, you could be ok or you may be better off getting 32. If you don't get any games at all and don't really do anything except browse the web and watch netflix, you'll be fine with 16

Thanks! I might just spend the extra money and play it "safe" with the 32.

 

[Robster3]

Personally the 16gb is the only one worth buying, the lottery is far too risky to be forking out for a bigger GB iPad air. Especially if you update yearly. Re sell is easier too.

 

[vito]

I started with 16GB devices, iPad and iPhone but broke convention with iPad 3 and went with 32GB, I was hoarding apps and music + movies, all those apps and games which I never used or not enough. I resell annually so for me the 16GB is ideal, I want to consume content not store it indefinitely.

This is what I do:

1) Only download apps and games that I use regularly.

2) Photos get synced to Dropbox and Box.com

3) Plex at home for TV Shows and Movies

4) mp4 - optimised files for playback when on the move

5) Any good Cloud music service for playback.

6) If you're travelling then only move across playlists you'll listen too not what you think you need to have, be realistic.

Never had a problem with 16GB - I just don't see the need to have vast amounts of storage filled up with media I'll never get around to enjoying as there are only enough hours in the day.

I use the rMBP for anything resource heavy.

I also now only go for the WiFi only models after getting cellular a few times in the past.

My toughest call is black vs white!

 

[macking104]

Aren't 64-bit Apps 20-30% larger than older 32-bit apps...?

Guess I'll get the 32gb Air...

 

[mcmul]

Idly wondering why people "carry" so many movies and TV shows around on their iDevices. When do you find the time to watch these every day, on the move?

 

[vito]

Idly wondering why people "carry" so many movies and TV shows around on their iDevices. When do you find the time to watch these every day, on the move?

I think for some its when they travel, I just add what I want to watch but hardly get time these days! A work colleague has almost filled up his 64GB Air but hasn't got around to watching any of the movies / tv shows!

 

[madeirabhoy]

I started with 16GB devices, iPad and iPhone but broke convention with iPad 3 and went with 32GB, I was hoarding apps and music + movies, all those apps and games which I never used or not enough. I resell annually so for me the 16GB is ideal, I want to consume content not store it indefinitely.

This is what I do:

1) Only download apps and games that I use regularly.

2) Photos get synced to Dropbox and Box.com

3) Plex at home for TV Shows and Movies

4) mp4 - optimised files for playback when on the move

5) Any good Cloud music service for playback.

6) If you're travelling then only move across playlists you'll listen too not what you think you need to have, be realistic.

Never had a problem with 16GB - I just don't see the need to have vast amounts of storage filled up with media I'll never get around to enjoying as there are only enough hours in the day.

I use the rMBP for anything resource heavy.

I also now only go for the WiFi only models after getting cellular a few times in the past.

My toughest call is black vs white!

this. dont get me wrong, i tell myself id love to have more space, but in practice all i'd do is fill it up with even more stuff i dont use. the only time i do wish i had more space is when i have a few flights, but even then, i can still stick 10 episodes of a tv series for 3 gigs, or 5 films.

i use itunes match for music, and i since my iphone is a 3gs i dont use it for gaming or films so fill it with music, plex is the most important app on my ipad for streaming tv to.

gaming wise, whilst there are some big graphically challenging 'proper' games out there, and i own most of them, i actually play simple games like scrabble, new star soccer, snooker more, so carrying one 'proper' game, deus ex, which i never play but like to know i can, is enough. if i finally batter through deus ex on the plane, i can always delete it and download something else using the hotel's wifi.

16gb isnt an issue for me.

 

[JUiCEJamie]

Or you could have anticipated your storage needs and gotten something bigger from the get go.

Most voted commented ever? Brilliant!

 

[mcmul]

I think for some its when they travel, I just add what I want to watch but hardly get time these days! A work colleague has almost filled up his 64GB Air but hasn't got around to watching any of the movies / tv shows!

Absolutely. When you're traveling, fair enough; whack on all of the TV shows and films you fancy. When you're not traveling, why waste the space? I calculate my iDevice storage requirements by simply summing the photographs, audio, books and apps together, then add on an extra 10 GB for miscellaneous use and the occasional time I travel (though, "holiday travel", not "work travel").

 

[GoCubsGo]

Idly wondering why people "carry" so many movies and TV shows around on their iDevices. When do you find the time to watch these every day, on the move?

Travelers. There is a lot of down time on travel day to consume that much content.

Personally the 16gb is the only one worth buying, the lottery is far too risky to be forking out for a bigger GB iPad air. Especially if you update yearly. Re sell is easier too.

Really? I always thought the 32GB was the best in terms of resale. Not too small and not too big, but I'm starting to wonder if you're right. I've never purchased 16 GB unless that was all that there was in the lineup.


I don't blame anyone for thinking 16 GB was enough. With cloud storage being pushed quite heavily these days then people who didn't own an Apple device before may think 16 GB would be enough. Some people aren't in a place where they can download apps sitting in the cloud on demand. Wifi is not everywhere in every state, unfortunately.

 

[DisplacedMic]

Who said I was forced? It is no one but apples fault the base storage is 16gig. I use network storage along with a hootoo tripmate for my storage needs. I fail to see how it is anyone but apples doing. iPad is best in class but I refuse to get hosed on the storage. Thankfully Apple hasn't lockdowned file management and streaming over wifi so I can work around the nauseating markup on storage.

Well, when you use a term like "price gouging" for an iPad I think your argument goes out the window. Price gouging does not even begin to apply to this market and even less to a luxury item like a brand new iPad.

if you don't value that 16g iPad more than your $500 then don't buy it - nobody is forcing you to. I think that was his point, and I think it's a good one.

The market is pushing manufacturers to provide more and more storage. Unless something changes in the technologogy, presumably the 16g model will no longer exist in the future.

Triple constraint: price, speed, quality; at best you can have 2 out of the 3.
"fault" doesn't enter into it. Unless they misrepresent the amount of space they're selling, it's noone's fault but your own if you buy something that isn't suitable for your needs.

 

[gotluck]

Well, when you use a term like "price gouging" for an iPad I think your argument goes out the window. Price gouging does not even begin to apply to this market and even less to a luxury item like a brand new iPad.

if you don't value that 16g iPad more than your $500 then don't buy it - nobody is forcing you to. I think that was his point, and I think it's a good one.

The market is pushing manufacturers to provide more and more storage. Unless something changes in the technologogy, presumably the 16g model will no longer exist in the future.

Triple constraint: price, speed, quality; at best you can have 2 out of the 3.
"fault" doesn't enter into it. Unless they misrepresent the amount of space they're selling, it's noone's fault but your own if you buy something that isn't suitable for your needs.

my point was that everyone buying the 32gig would not encourage apple to make 32gig the base. The only choice as a consumer is not to buy the product at all. Whatever the semantics you would like to use... the premium apple charges for storage is unrivaled in the industry.

 

[Richard8655]

Shouldn't the focus be on complaining to Apple about their walled garden approach and FORCE them to add a MicroSD expansion slot?

Excellent point. This is the kind of freedom Apple doesn't want you to have. Only they can dictate how much storage you get based on their inflated pricing schedule and strategy.

 

[rui no onna]

Idly wondering why people "carry" so many movies and TV shows around on their iDevices. When do you find the time to watch these every day, on the move?

I have no music or videos on my 128GB iPad. Those are easily streamed and for Blu-ray MKV rips (that I made myself), I just use one of my Android tablets with micro SD slot.

However, I've got quite a pretty large collection of comics on my iPad. Waiting time for download on those is pretty long (can't just stream them) and the large size makes them impractical to download again and again over a metered internet connection.

 

[mcmul]

I have no music or videos on my 128GB iPad. Those are easily streamed and for Blu-ray MKV rips (that I made myself), I just use one of my Android tablets with micro SD slot.

However, I've got quite a pretty large collection of comics on my iPad. Waiting time for download on those is pretty long (can't just stream them) and the large size makes them impractical to download again and again over a metered internet connection.

I understand. I store all of my books and articles locally so I can access them without any network bottleneck; luckily text isn't very "heavy" on the disk. I don't carry any films or tv shows though as I would rather watch them on a television or laptop. In general, I usually have one or two laptops with me when I travel and so the tablet is mainly for reading and browsing unless in a restaurant or bar in which case I would quickly transfer a video to the tablet; nice and easy.

 

[kalt]

It always is...getting 32 is a mistake too. Now that you can get 128 it makes no sense to get any less. Loving my new 128gb miniR. Already have over 64gb used. It's like getting a whole extra 64gb for 100 bucks. And in two yrs when 256gb is available I highly recommend you get that, too

 

[Artofilm]

Who said I was forced? It is no one but apples fault the base storage is 16gig. I use network storage along with a hootoo tripmate for my storage needs. I fail to see how it is anyone but apples doing. iPad is best in class but I refuse to get hosed on the storage. Thankfully Apple hasn't lockdowned file management and streaming over wifi so I can work around the nauseating markup on storage.

You're missing the point. The 16GB iPad still sells well, so there is no "fault" to be had. Why would Apple upgrade the base storage if the base model still sells?

What I'm getting at is just because you see the 16GB as a negative, a lot of others do not.

my point was that everyone buying the 32gig would not encourage apple to make 32gig the base. The only choice as a consumer is not to buy the product at all. Whatever the semantics you would like to use... the premium apple charges for storage is unrivaled in the industry.

So what you're saying is that if no one at all bought the 16GB iPad Apple would continue to sell it.... That makes no sense. Why would Apple continue to make something that doesn't sell or make any money off of?

 

[richardbb85]

It always is...getting 32 is a mistake too. Now that you can get 128 it makes no sense to get any less. Loving my new 128gb miniR. Already have over 64gb used. It's like getting a whole extra 64gb for 100 bucks. And in two yrs when 256gb is available I highly recommend you get that, too

Lol, must make a lot sense spending almost 1k on an ipad

 

[Richard8655]

It always is...getting 32 is a mistake too. Now that you can get 128 it makes no sense to get any less. Loving my new 128gb miniR. Already have over 64gb used. It's like getting a whole extra 64gb for 100 bucks. And in two yrs when 256gb is available I highly recommend you get that, too

Lots of money to burn every 1-2 years. For me, I'd rather put that excess cash into investments to build for later life. An iPad is nice, but not so much that it absorbs that much of my resources.

 

[gotluck]

You're missing the point. The 16GB iPad still sells well, so there is no "fault" to be had. Why would Apple upgrade the base storage if the base model still sells?

What I'm getting at is just because you see the 16GB as a negative, a lot of others do not.

And I'm saying that the 16gig sells because everything else is too much of a rip off. Fwiw I have a 16gig.

 

[DisplacedMic]

my point was that everyone buying the 32gig would not encourage apple to make 32gig the base. The only choice as a consumer is not to buy the product at all. Whatever the semantics you would like to use... the premium apple charges for storage is unrivaled in the industry.

you call it semantics, i call it precise language. once again throwing around terms like price gouging and "rip-off" is inappropriate to this conversation. people have different needs and therefore value things differently.

for me $100 for an extra 16g of storage is too much. that doesn't make it a rip off, or price gouging or any of the other hyperbolic terms people are throwing around. If you don't want it, don't buy it. The real pressure on Apple will come from the competitors which is part of the reason why their price premium is unrivaled - they are almost always ahead of the market curve.

This has obvious short term pros and cons for we the consumers but in the end competition drives prices down and quality up such that we all win.