Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
actually, it’s quite incredible that so many here just put up with AppLe’s complacency and ineptness with their new products. 2020 iPhone was supposed to be the big one to wait for and upgrade to, but it’s turned into a disaster. Same boring and outdated screens, same boring and outdated camera, weak 5G radio and to top it all off, it’s going to be the most expensive iPhone ever. Please give me one good reason anyone with an iPhone 8 or newer should even bother with the 12.
1. What is boring and outdated about the screens, the notch? If so that’s subjective. No 120hz? That may matter to you but I’m not a spec chaser.
2. Same boring and outdated camera? Please share a link to the specs of the iPhone 12 cameras. I’ll wait....
3. Weak 5G confirmed? Show me a credible source. I’ll wait.....
4. Most expensive iPhone ever? Let’s see a link to confirmed pricing. I’ll wait....
Reasons for someone with an 8 or newer to update?
- they want Face ID
- they want the 5.4” size
- they want an OLED screen that was a premium price in the past
- they want a faster phone
- they want improved cameras
- they want better battery life
- they want a different form factor
- they have the money and feel like it

Lastly, if the new phones are guaranteed to suck, then why are your panties in such a bunch over the release date 😂
 
1. What is boring and outdated about the screens, the notch? If so that’s subjective. No 120hz? That may matter to you but I’m not a spec chaser.
2. Same boring and outdated camera? Please share a link to the specs of the iPhone 12 cameras. I’ll wait....
3. Weak 5G confirmed? Show me a credible source. I’ll wait.....
4. Most expensive iPhone ever? Let’s see a link to confirmed pricing. I’ll wait....
Reasons for someone with an 8 or newer to update?
- they want Face ID
- they want the 5.4” size
- they want an OLED screen that was a premium price in the past
- they want a faster phone
- they want improved cameras
- they want better battery life
- they want a different form factor
- they have the money and feel like it

Lastly, if the new phones are guaranteed to suck, then why are your panties in such a bunch over the release date 😂
Well this is just golden! I think the Internet has been won, people. Thank you for this.
 
Maybe I was incorrect about WHY Apple's stock dropped 18-20%, maybe it wasn't the iPhone delay, but there are several sources that claim they did take a hit over it.
No maybes about it.
Moving on, yes, we DO know what they iPhone will have. It will have the same old boring and outdated displays and the same old boring and outdated 12 megapixel camera. Every other company has massively upgraded both, why hasn't Apple? The richest company on earth is still stuck with 2018 tech, it's pathetic. Yet this will be the most expensive iPhone ever. Again, who's going to buy that?
Tens of millions, that's who.
The two biggest features that will get people to upgrade are better displays and better cameras, Apple failed miserably on delivering either. Unless you have something older than an iPhone 8, there is zero reason to upgrade.
And yet, you upgraded from a XS Max to a 11 Pro Max. Why? The XS Max is definitely not older than an iPhone 8. There is "zero reason to upgrade".
 
Lastly, if the new phones are guaranteed to suck, then why are your panties in such a bunch over the release date

Because we all know he’s going to get one and sell his Note. He’s desperate for a 12. No matter what rhetoric/entitled/toys-thrown-out-of-pram he comes out with he can’t wait for it to be released.
 
The same camera? You’re a professional photographer but don’t understand the difference a larger sensor makes?

Ho-kay...

There has been nothing confirmed about a larger sensor on the new iPhone. Even if they did make it larger, it would have to be at least twice as big to make any real world difference, and we know that's never going to happen. It would only be going in the Pro Max too, maybe I dont want an even bigger Max on the 12.

Megapixels don't matter much if you are talking about going from 12 to 16 or 20, but 12 to 108? Thats a massive difference and will for sure make for more detailed photos as many tests on the 108 megapixel camera phones have already proved. Check some out on YT. Even the jump to 64 would be a big upgrade.
 
There has been nothing confirmed about a larger sensor on the new iPhone. Even if they did make it larger, it would have to be at least twice as big to make any real world difference, and we know that's never going to happen. It would only be going in the Pro Max too, maybe I dont want an even bigger Max on the 12.

Megapixels don't matter much if you are talking about going from 12 to 16 or 20, but 12 to 108? Thats a massive difference and will for sure make for more detailed photos as many tests on the 108 megapixel camera phones have already proved. Check some out on YT. Even the jump to 64 would be a big upgrade.

How exactly does the jump in megapixel alone improve the quality, please explain?
Why does the jump from 12 to 16 not matter as much as the jump from 12 to 108mp?
 
How exactly does the jump in megapixel alone improve the quality, please explain?
Why does the jump from 12 to 16 not matter as much as the jump from 12 to 108mp?

Seriously? 2:40 of the video below should sum it up rather quickly for you...

 
Seriously? 2:40 of the video below should sum it up rather quickly for you...


For the first time you bring actual facts Dex, I am actually impressed!
This seems to be dependent on scene and not an outright improvement going by GSMArenas camera test:

The 108MP mode seems to be quite a burden for the phone going by this comparison, seems most people will need to use the 12MP Binned mode if they don’t want to wait for the phone to process the huge 108MP image, really enjoyed this comparison, the iPhones 12MP still up there, the 108MP doesn’t seem to give enough of an advantage over other cameras though


The Auto focus issues of the S20 Ultra are big though even the video you posted the guy mentioned the S20 Ultra hunting for focus.
 
Last edited:
Disappointment because iOS 14 is to buggy. I really didn’t want to spend a lot of spare time making widgets and figuring out an operating system which is no longer intuitive (thank you macrumors for all the tutorials)
It seems to me as iOS 14 is a work in progress not a Gold Master version
 
Disappointment because iOS 14 is to buggy. I really didn’t want to spend a lot of spare time making widgets and figuring out an operating system which is no longer intuitive (thank you macrumors for all the tutorials)
It seems to me as iOS 14 is a work in progress not a Gold Master version
Doesn't quite seem like this thread is about that.
 
The thing with having an iPhone is you have more options In the things that matter, for my use case anyway. For communication you have both iMessage and WhatsApp. On android you only have the choice of WhatsApp. For navigation you get both Apple Maps and google maps. No Apple Maps for you android boy. For video we get both FaceTime and google duo. No faceytime(in borats accent) for you Samsung slugs. You can even set up google assistance using the shortcuts app on iPhone. So why would I get an android and be excluded from not having those choices and also developers make apps better, especially social media apps, for iPhone.

In all the years I’ve been using iPhones I’ve rarely used Apple maps. I tried it recently as I thought after 8 years of development it must have improved leaps and bounds. It went wrong and I have to say I find it rather crap. The interface is nice looking and I would imagine Apple have spent more on it for the US market. Waze and Google Maps are better options in Europe.
 
actually, it’s quite incredible that so many here just put up with AppLe’s complacency and ineptness with their new products. 2020 iPhone was supposed to be the big one to wait for and upgrade to, but it’s turned into a disaster. Same boring and outdated screens, same boring and outdated camera, weak 5G radio and to top it all off, it’s going to be the most expensive iPhone ever. Please give me one good reason anyone with an iPhone 8 or newer should even bother with the 12.
It’ll be a big upgrade for me coming from an iPhone 8+. I’m not interested in the Pro models which are supposed to be the better specs so that should be some indication that there are people out there who don’t upgrade based on specs alone.

For me it’s mostly about iOS and the continuity between iPad, Apple Watch and iPhone. Not bothered if the screen doesn’t compete against random Android manufacturers or it has one less camera. My phone is a tool firstly and offers enough at a cost I am comfortable with.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AreYouIn? and Tsepz
In all the years I’ve been using iPhones I’ve rarely used Apple maps. I tried it recently as I thought after 8 years of development it must have improved leaps and bounds. It went wrong and I have to say I find it rather crap. The interface is nice looking and I would imagine Apple have spent more on it for the US market. Waze and Google Maps are better options in Europe.
I used to have "Apple only" days - iWork, Maps, Mail etc. I actually like most other Apple-based peripherals but Maps was always frustrating. So disappointing to see it still that way. I HATE the Waze UI but it's features and functionality keep me coming back.
 
MR members: complaining how sucks Apple and the new iPhones will be
Also MR members: complaining how they cannot buy the new iPhones soon enough

Somebody needs to make a meme out of this. Just too funny. :D
 
MR members: complaining how sucks Apple and the new iPhones will be
Also MR members: complaining how they cannot buy the new iPhones soon enough

Somebody needs to make a meme out of this. Just too funny. :D
What else is there in the tech world? This is why progress is made, to be fair. We have an innate need for more, better, smaller, faster. I, for one, am NOT complaining. I'm coming back into iOS for the first time in a LONG time and I just want a quality phone that will last 4-5 years. Luckily, I know that's a guarantee with Apple.
 
And yet, you upgraded from a XS Max to a 11 Pro Max. Why? The XS Max is definitely not older than an iPhone 8. There is "zero reason to upgrade".

Because it was like $3 more a month on the iUP program, so why not? All the hype was for the 12 and everyone saying it was going to be amazing, quite wrong. If I had known the 12 was going to be so underwhelming, I would have just kept the XS MAX, paid it off, dropped iUP and picked up a Samsung or other phone that will be better than the 12. Live and learn.
 
I used to have "Apple only" days - iWork, Maps, Mail etc. I actually like most other Apple-based peripherals but Maps was always frustrating. So disappointing to see it still that way. I HATE the Waze UI but it's features and functionality keep me coming back.
I agree. Apple shouldn’t have released Maps when they did really, way back in 2012 with the iPhone 5. It was a major marketing point for that keynote and when I got my iPhone 5 like many others, I realised it was absolutely dreadful. It has meant that despite having it on every iPhone since, I just don’t find I use it because other reliable options have earned my confidence. I really don’t know why Apple continued trying to compete in the maps segment.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.