What are they doing about MBP Keyboard?? I’m 1 month out of warranty

The solution for Apple [for future designs] is obvious:
Go back to a more durable and easily replaceable keyboard that works.

Of course, this would probably add 2-3mm more "thickness" to the laptop.
Can't do that now, can we?
 
With all of these keyboard threads popping up here, I feel like they guy in my hometown that actually owned a long-lasting Yugo. I’ve only had it since June though so I guess it’s still early.

Same here. Got my 2017 15" since July of last year and zero issues.
 
You assume Apple did not field test the new design adequately. I suggest it might be planned obsolescence (an industry-wide practice). Which is worse--intentionally designed repairs or negligence?

Personally, I would not be shocked if the design was simply under-engineered and is failing prematurely; however, Apple clearly has no qualms about planned obsolescence and up-selling its customers to new hardware (see iPhone throttling).

I think it's more not doing proper long term testing more than built to fail.
 
The magic keyboard has a great design and no issues at all, it has a middle range between the old keyboard and the new ones.

A new MBP with that keyboard would be great!

I personally dislike the magic keyboard. If you are going to go with an external keyboard, I prefer one with lots of key travel, space between keys, and Cherry MX Brown switches.
 
I personally dislike the magic keyboard. If you are going to go with an external keyboard, I prefer one with lots of key travel, space between keys, and Cherry MX Brown switches.

Wasn't he talking about a keyboard to use in laptops though?

Magic KB would be a lot better than the current butterfly, at least in my view, and have no reliability issues.
 
I personally dislike the magic keyboard. If you are going to go with an external keyboard, I prefer one with lots of key travel, space between keys, and Cherry MX Brown switches.

Wasn't he talking about a keyboard to use in laptops though?

Magic KB would be a lot better than the current butterfly, at least in my view, and have no reliability issues.

Correct, I was talking about using the magic keyboard in the macbook pro, not as an external kb. Hope Apple use the same keyboard on the MBP (I think it´s not butterfly "technology")
 
Correct, I was talking about using the magic keyboard in the macbook pro, not as an external kb. Hope Apple use the same keyboard on the MBP (I think it´s not butterfly "technology")

Me too - It's not butterfly but a nice traditional and reliable (and thin!) scissor switch.

Works great - I personally even like it on the desktop side.
I wish Apple would "re-invent" things that need it, not just for the sake of it.

The keyboard on the laptops was a traditional strength of theirs and they f'ed with it and made it a weakness and liability.
 
I think Apple rushed out the 2016 because of huge criticism that they were no longer innovative. Plus the iMac pro, Mac Pro and Mac mini were far off from being completed - they wanted to throw us a bone which of course, could be argued as backfired despite how many people still bought them, keyboard problems or not.
 
OK. That is a good idea. I suggest the same thing in another post.

Apple's obsession with thinness created the issue.

Sadly I don't think they are going backwards with the keyboard... butterfly is here to stay IMO

Yes, thickness is an obsession but if the iPhone 8 is bigger and heavier than the 7, we have hope!
 
Sadly I don't think they are going backwards with the keyboard... butterfly is here to stay IMO

Yes, thickness is an obsession but if the iPhone 8 is bigger and heavier than the 7, we have hope!

iPhone getting bigger and thicker, laptop getting thinner. Soon they will add a radio and earpiece to an iPad and have only one device. It will probable be called "the Apple Device (tm)" or some other pretentious name.
 
I know that Apple makes a lot of money convincing people they need three devices to handle their daily routine. However like them or not, the Surface has proved that a convergence of platforms is possible. Even though Apple has denied it in the past, I've thought for a while now there will be an eventual convergence of Apple platforms using a single OS, and custom-made ARM processors.

I think it would be great to have an iPhone powerful enough you could bring it home and dock it so you could use it like a laptop/desktop. Again Microsoft has done this with their continuum technology albeit the success of the Windows phone should not be used to validate its viability. :) When Apple does this, I can justify spending over $1000 for a phone.
 

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As it stands right this moment, I have until the 29th of the month to return the 15" that I just picked up. And while It seems to be working ok so far, and my last one didn't have any issues with the keyboard, etc. I'm trying to figure out if there is some sort of way to kind of pare down what I need a mobile machine to do, and see if a 12" MacBook with upgraded specs, or maybe (if announced) the new Air would work as well.

I have a 5k iMac on my desk at home, and the only thing I use the MbP for is html/css/javascript/php. That's it. I don't need to run any VMs, and it truthfully doesn't need to be a powerhouse with Illustrator, but it needs to run without the graphical glitches that the current 13" model has in RGB color mode.

The real dilemma is that to "future-proof" so to speak, I'd want to get the i7 / 512 / 16 MacBook and that right there is 2k + a hefty 10% tax here in Seattle. So 2200 out the door, and since I picked up this 2.9 / 512 / 16 / 4gb Radeon for 2600 out the door, it just doesn't seem like a good idea to hamstring myself *just in case* this one dies on me. . .

Tell me I've not lost the plot. Please.
 
@csurfr You sound like a similar situation to me.

What I really need/want is a 14-15" "Air" class laptop.

The only thing I want from a 15" laptop is the screen size.
I wish they'd make something like that
 
@csurfr You sound like a similar situation to me.

What I really need/want is a 14-15" "Air" class laptop.

The only thing I want from a 15" laptop is the screen size.
I wish they'd make something like that

Exactly.

And then the problem becomes when you add in the extra ram, and ssd (if you need/want) then it becomes more cost effective to just get the Pro. It's kind of frustrating to be honest.
 
As it stands right this moment, I have until the 29th of the month to return the 15" that I just picked up. And while It seems to be working ok so far, and my last one didn't have any issues with the keyboard, etc. I'm trying to figure out if there is some sort of way to kind of pare down what I need a mobile machine to do, and see if a 12" MacBook with upgraded specs, or maybe (if announced) the new Air would work as well.

I have a 5k iMac on my desk at home, and the only thing I use the MbP for is html/css/javascript/php. That's it. I don't need to run any VMs, and it truthfully doesn't need to be a powerhouse with Illustrator, but it needs to run without the graphical glitches that the current 13" model has in RGB color mode.

The real dilemma is that to "future-proof" so to speak, I'd want to get the i7 / 512 / 16 MacBook and that right there is 2k + a hefty 10% tax here in Seattle. So 2200 out the door, and since I picked up this 2.9 / 512 / 16 / 4gb Radeon for 2600 out the door, it just doesn't seem like a good idea to hamstring myself *just in case* this one dies on me. . .

Tell me I've not lost the plot. Please.

The 15 inch make a difference, I used to work (when travel) in the 13 inch, and the difference is noticeable.

You'll miss the 15 inch, trust me.
 
As it stands right this moment, I have until the 29th of the month to return the 15" that I just picked up. And while It seems to be working ok so far, and my last one didn't have any issues with the keyboard, etc. I'm trying to figure out if there is some sort of way to kind of pare down what I need a mobile machine to do, and see if a 12" MacBook with upgraded specs, or maybe (if announced) the new Air would work as well.

I have a 5k iMac on my desk at home, and the only thing I use the MbP for is html/css/javascript/php. That's it. I don't need to run any VMs, and it truthfully doesn't need to be a powerhouse with Illustrator, but it needs to run without the graphical glitches that the current 13" model has in RGB color mode.

The real dilemma is that to "future-proof" so to speak, I'd want to get the i7 / 512 / 16 MacBook and that right there is 2k + a hefty 10% tax here in Seattle. So 2200 out the door, and since I picked up this 2.9 / 512 / 16 / 4gb Radeon for 2600 out the door, it just doesn't seem like a good idea to hamstring myself *just in case* this one dies on me. . .

Tell me I've not lost the plot. Please.

Since you already have a nice desktop system as your main machine, a 12" MB for travel/coffee shop seems ideal for a little light development. If the rumored low price MB replacement for the Air appears I will take a look at if for doing casual development.
 
Since you already have a nice desktop system as your main machine, a 12" MB for travel/coffee shop seems ideal for a little light development. If the rumored low price MB replacement for the Air appears I will take a look at if for doing casual development.
Exactly what I was thinking. I’m coding for the web, not asp.net or Xcode. All it needs to be able to do is run chrome and a few other random bits (albeit most of the day). But the heavy lifting can be done by the iMac.

Tuesday could be interesting, though the front page is now saying there won’t be a new air released. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Exactly what I was thinking. I’m coding for the web, not asp.net or Xcode. All it needs to be able to do is run chrome and a few other random bits (albeit most of the day). But the heavy lifting can be done by the iMac.

Tuesday could be interesting, though the front page is now saying there won’t be a new air released. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I saw the info on the Air release also. My 2 cents is the air has outlived it's purpose and is not needed. Just stick a second USB port on the MB, drop the price $200 and be done. I would buy one just to have as a travel/coffee shop/watching TV machine.
 
I know that Apple makes a lot of money convincing people they need three devices to handle their daily routine. However like them or not, the Surface has proved that a convergence of platforms is possible.
Microsoft somehow created a less reliable and repairable machine when they made the Surface line.
 
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