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iPhone XS Max What Are Your Expectations for a $1000+ phone?

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If you remove the price tag on the iPhone XS and XS Max, I think they’re really great products. Buttery smooth performance, awesome cameras, a tremendous OLED experience, nice speakers, speedy FaceID unlocking, etc.

The iPhone XS/XS Max also are worth it if you keep your phone for awhile. About 5 years worth of iOS updates, no bloatware, and a better commitment to privacy.

However, the price tag is very difficult to swallow. I only got my XS Max on a $700 off BOGO carrier promo. Not everyone has access to carrier promos and have to pay the full premium to enjoy a XS or XS Max.

I don’t think we can expect bleeding edge specs and features just thrown in to justify rising costs with respect to the TouchID devices of yesteryear.

Apple’s competition have similar specs at premium prices. For instance, both the Google Pixel 3 and Galaxy S9 have the same quantity of RAM as the XS. The iPhone XS 1125p display is a higher resolution display than the Pixel 3. Mind that the Pixel 3 and S9 don’t have the same software support and hardware support Apple gives. Plus the A12 professor is better than a Snapdragon 845.

Some Android OEMs outmatch Apple in features and specs. The OnePlus 6T and Pocophone have some better specs (like more RAM), but at the cost of less privacy and brand reliability. Xiaomi will beat Apple to a foldable display, but is it worth the risk to adopt new tech and suffer QC concerns if not implemented properly,

With that all said, what are your realistic expectations for a $1000 iPhone?

I think that it’s hard to innovate in a mature market. However, I don’t think Apple can skate by anymore because new life should be breathed into the iPhone line. Android has so many software and hardware features that can benefit iOS users.
 
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For the $1099 tag, I’d expect:

-Fast charging out of the box
-A USB-C cable (Apple should reward me for getting on the MBP bandwagon and not making me buy yet another cable)
-Actually good speakers
-Probably more base storage?

All in all I don’t think the lineup is bad, it’s just overpriced by $100 ($50-70 in the case of the XR). It was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

The current iPhone X line (XS/XR) is a great upgrade and people are holding off from upgrading because of the price, mainly, I think.

If they made a new-model iPhone with Face ID and notch that normal people could buy without thinking twice about whether it is too expensive (think the previous $649 price point, or iPhone SE) I think it would be a raging success. Maybe this year.
 
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nviz22 said:
Some Android OEMs outmatch Apple in features and specs.The OnePlus 6T and Pocophone have better specs, but at the cost of less privacy and brand reliability.
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They don't have better specs. The A12 processor in the XR/XS/XS Max is much faster than the Snapdragon 845 in the One Plus 6T.

Other differences: no official water rating, inferior camera and no wireless charging or stereo speakers. I don't think those phones will get the OS support either that iPhones get. That said, I do think that phone is a great value on the Android side of things (I think it's $570), but they did cut corners. The Pocophone is below the One Plus 6T in terms of even those specs, but it's also cheaper.
 
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They don't have better specs. The A12 processor in the XR/XS/XS Max is much faster than the Snapdragon 845 in the One Plus 6T.

Other differences: no official water rating, inferior camera and no wireless charging or stereo sound. I don't think those phones will get the OS support either that iPhones get. That said, I do think that phone is a great value on the Android side of things (I think it's $570), but they did cut corners. The Pocophone is below the One Plus 6T in terms of even those specs, but it's also cheaper.
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Oh, I meant specs like RAM quantity. The A12 processor is much better by far. I’ll update my original post to avoid confusion. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Headphone jack

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Sadly, there are other OEMs that are ditching it. I do miss that thing tbh.
 
must haves for a 1k smartphone
7nm chip, 2 day battery life, super fast charging 0-100% in 1hr, fast wireless charge, in screen fingerprint reader, face unlock, pin unlock, ir blaster, oled screen, expandable storage, 8gb ram, triple rear camera, thought protection, etc...oh wait that phone already exist
 
nviz22 said:
If you remove the price tag on the iPhone XS and XS Max, I think they’re really great products. Buttery smooth performance, awesome cameras, a tremendous OLED experience, nice speakers, speedy FaceID unlocking, etc.

The iPhone XS/XS Max also are worth it if you keep your phone for awhile. About 5 years worth of iOS updates, no bloatware, and a better commitment to privacy.

However, the price tag is very difficult to swallow. I only got my XS Max on a $700 off BOGO carrier promo. Not everyone has access to carrier promos and have to pay the full premium to enjoy a XS or XS Max.

I don’t think we can expect bleeding edge specs and features just thrown in to justify rising costs with respect to the TouchID devices of yesteryear.

Apple’s competition have similar specs at premium prices. For instance, both the Google Pixel 3 and Galaxy S9 have the same quantity of RAM as the XS. The iPhone XS 1125p display is a higher resolution display than the Pixel 3. Mind that the Pixel 3 and S9 don’t have the same software support and hardware support Apple gives. Plus the A12 professor is better than a Snapdragon 845.

Some Android OEMs outmatch Apple in features and specs. The OnePlus 6T and Pocophone have some better specs (like more RAM), but at the cost of less privacy and brand reliability. Xiaomi will beat Apple to a foldable display, but is it worth the risk to adopt new tech and suffer QC concerns if not implemented properly,

With that all said, what are your realistic expectations for a $1000 iPhone?

I think that it’s hard to innovate in a mature market. However, I don’t think Apple can skate by anymore because new life should be breathed into the iPhone line. Android has so many software and hardware features that can benefit iOS users.
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In 2019 the SOC is not so much relevant to me as it was before. The newer SOCs are super fast and can handle any modern task. Also, synthetic benchmarks are rather useless in 2019, let me explain... It's called hardware fragmentation. Not everyone is on an A12, or an 845, actually it's the opposite. Most people are on the older chips. This means developers will not release software that only works well on the newest processors. In reality all the means if you have an A12 is that your apps will load a second, or two faster, less skipped frames in first person shooters and shave a few seconds, to a few minutes off rendering times, that's it. What's really import is looking at Random access memory, or Simply put RAM. If Apple suddenly jumps from 2 gigs, to 4 gigs of RAM that implies they plan on making major changes to future iOS updates that requires a lot more memory. Meaning if you only got 2 and the newest phones have 4, it's pretty much guaranteed that sooner than later your device won't be supported, because it lacks memory to run the newest OS. The next biggest one IMO is how big your battery is. The higher the MaH the better. Then I would argue for a 1k phone it has to be larger than a regular phone. Meaning at least 5.5-6.5 inch screen. The more functionality the better, this includes a stylus. At 1k it should act as a computer replacement. Also have a high resolution screen and premium materials, such as metal and glass, plastic need not apply. Finally I think support really matters and this is where Apple makes up for it's high initial cost. Pay eleven hundred dollars and in theory get 5 years of support, vs paying 2-300 bucks less and getting only have the support on Android. IMO I think Android will have much better success in emerging markets, but I think as more people join the middle class, they'd probably be more tempted to pay a premium and have a luxury product such as Apple.
 
1 fully dust and waterproof
2 USB-C
3 no notch
4 Face ID cameras/sensors either in minimal bezel or under display.
5 under/in-display Fingerprint ID
6 log in and use can be done with only Fingerprint ID if Face ID not wanted to be used
7 no camera bump
8 4.7" display (same size as 6/6s/7/8)
9 weight not heavier than iPhone 8
10 512GB storage
11 8GB RAM
12 2019 version of Gorilla Glass
13 3D Touch
14 e-SIM
 
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niji said:
1 fully dust and waterproof
2 USB-C
3 no notch
4 Face ID cameras/sensors either in minimal bezel or under display.
5 under/in-display Fingerprint ID
6 log in and use can be done with only Fingerprint ID if Face ID not wanted to be used
7 no camera bump
8 4.7" display (same size as 6/6s/7/8)
9 weight not heavier than iPhone 8
10 512GB storage
11 8GB RAM
12 2019 version of Gorilla Glass
13 3D Touch
14 e-SIM
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It's almost like a high end standardized laptop to be honest.
 
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darksithpro said:
It's almost like a high end standardized laptop to be honest.
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its time apple pulls out all stops and firmly establishes itself as the pre-eminent mobile device maker.
i dont care if it costs 1800 or 2000 USD.
give us state of the art tech in one high end device.
stop making marketing mistakes like the Xr.
make it simpler to decide.
make the top end phone aspirationally priced.
but make it the absolute best.
consolidate features as per my above post, and give customers a solid phone that can last 3 to 4 years.
 
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I would expect some features like on the note 9, pencil support and a Dex like feature. However what I also expect is good after sales service, long term software support, a robust ecosystem/services. These are things Apple provides and other Oems don’t so it’s not only about hardware.
 
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I would prefer a stylus for a larger phone like the Max (Similar to the Note). More specifically, if it was ‘built in’ the iPhone, but I gather with the current dimensions, that would be very difficult to do.
 
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5G
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You are willing to pay $1000 or more for a phone that has 5G when no carrier has the standard fully rolled out?

In about three or four years, 5G will be in just about any phone and the carriers will have 5G rolled out.

Will 5G still be worth $1000 to you then?
 
I must be missing something - can somebody please explain to me why there are so many posters on this forum hell-bent on having an iPhone with USB-C? What's the benefit? If we were still on the 30-pin I'd get it but lightning is just fine?
 
nviz22 said:
If you remove the price tag on the iPhone XS and XS Max, I think they’re really great products. Buttery smooth performance, awesome cameras, a tremendous OLED experience, nice speakers, speedy FaceID unlocking, etc.

The iPhone XS/XS Max also are worth it if you keep your phone for awhile. About 5 years worth of iOS updates, no bloatware, and a better commitment to privacy.

However, the price tag is very difficult to swallow. I only got my XS Max on a $700 off BOGO carrier promo. Not everyone has access to carrier promos and have to pay the full premium to enjoy a XS or XS Max.

I don’t think we can expect bleeding edge specs and features just thrown in to justify rising costs with respect to the TouchID devices of yesteryear.

Apple’s competition have similar specs at premium prices. For instance, both the Google Pixel 3 and Galaxy S9 have the same quantity of RAM as the XS. The iPhone XS 1125p display is a higher resolution display than the Pixel 3. Mind that the Pixel 3 and S9 don’t have the same software support and hardware support Apple gives. Plus the A12 professor is better than a Snapdragon 845.

Some Android OEMs outmatch Apple in features and specs. The OnePlus 6T and Pocophone have some better specs (like more RAM), but at the cost of less privacy and brand reliability. Xiaomi will beat Apple to a foldable display, but is it worth the risk to adopt new tech and suffer QC concerns if not implemented properly,

With that all said, what are your realistic expectations for a $1000 iPhone?

I think that it’s hard to innovate in a mature market. However, I don’t think Apple can skate by anymore because new life should be breathed into the iPhone line. Android has so many software and hardware features that can benefit iOS users.
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apple should've had figured out fingerprint under display
 
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eyoungren said:
...5G when no carrier has the standard fully rolled out?
In about three or four years, 5G will be in ...
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they have totally completed the physical 5G install last year in my neighborhood. A few days ago they applied power to the system and are in test mode. It is happening in second tier cities just now.

the re-sale value of a new none 5G phone will be zero. So why pay thousands of dollars for what will amount to a 2G flip phone. Hold on to what you have for a year or so and get 5G as soon as you can.

no my problemo Apple has upset their supply of modern modem technology. Wish them the best of luck in the courts tho.
 
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they have totally completed the physical 5G install last year in my neighborhood. A few days ago they applied power to the system and are in test mode. It is happening in second tier cities just now.

the re-sale value of a none 5G phone will be zero.
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I'm 100% positive an iPhone 4S had more residual value in 2013 than ANY other phone released in 2011, including all LTE enabled phones that were around then.

The new iPhones will have 5G when it is relevant, and the current phones will no longer be power-user devices by the time that happens.

The new iPhones are able to pull <10ms/200+ mbps CONSISTENTLY, the content's just not there to make more speed necessary (as of Jan. 2019). Whenever that happens, the iPhone will already have 5G. It's a non-issue.
 
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Whenever that happens, the iPhone will already have 5G. It's a non-issue.
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you know people living in Wyoming they still use 2g flip phones and its a beautiful thing. Introduction of 5G will be un even and some areas will never have 5G

cell providers are holding off making physical improvements to their 4g equipment here and not all houses get functional coverage anymore. Good or bad population continues to grow in this area.

I am limiting my cell purchase plans till the new technology comes out.
 
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niji said:
1 fully dust and waterproof
2 USB-C
3 no notch
4 Face ID cameras/sensors either in minimal bezel or under display.
5 under/in-display Fingerprint ID
6 log in and use can be done with only Fingerprint ID if Face ID not wanted to be used
7 no camera bump
8 4.7" display (same size as 6/6s/7/8)
9 weight not heavier than iPhone 8
10 512GB storage
11 8GB RAM
12 2019 version of Gorilla Glass
13 3D Touch
14 e-SIM
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this phone already exist it's called the mate 20 pro.
 
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