What can we REALISTICALLY see at WWDC?

[Armen]

Great list but if the UI and UX sucks it's not enjoyable for me to use those features. I was very confused at the time with iOS 7 which had many great features but it made my perfectly smooth iPhone 4 running and looking like a s**t. iOS 8 was with iOS 7 the buggiest release ever, iOS 9 suffered the input lag issue and iOS 11 is again very buggy with questionable UI changes.

"I was very confused at the time with iOS 7 " - Many users at the time were complaining that iOS was so stale and boring and hadn't changed much since 2007. Apple introduces a redesign and people lose their minds because it's different. I'm not quite sure what you were confused. The icons stayed relatively the same, apps were easily identifiable.

"It made my perfectly smooth iPhone 4 running and looking like a s**t." - Every new version of iOS is a bit more complex than the previous version and the slowest handsets suffer from performance issues. The solution would be not to make the update available for older devices but than you get the crowd of "Apple purposely did this so I upgrade my phone".

"iOS 8 was with iOS 7 the buggiest release ever, iOS 9 suffered the input lag issue and iOS 11 is again very buggy with questionable UI changes." - There are plenty of others who can disagree with you on this. Sure, every version has its glitches and quirkiness but none had a showstopper flaw in which the phone was not usable.

Apple under Steve Jobs stood for Quality, Attention to detail and great customer service according to general consensus. Steve Jobs was this visionary who "knew" what we wanted before we wanted it.

Well, under Steve Jobs:

- We saw Antenna gate with SJ responding to it with "you're holding it wrong".
- We saw Yellow screens on the iPhone 4, pink screens on the iPhone 5
- We were told the best size for a phone was one that fit your hand perfectly and yet Apple has a 6.5" iPhone coming this year.
- We witnessed the disaster known as Apple Maps in iOS 7 under SJ as well.

You can't just remember the "good ol' days" and leave out the screw ups that also happened.

I don't see Apple's software team turning things around anytime soon. The real question is can you live with it.

 

[Feyl]

"I was very confused at the time with iOS 7 " - Many users at the time were complaining that iOS was so stale and boring and hadn't changed much since 2007. Apple introduces a redesign and people lose their minds because it's different. I'm not quite sure what you were confused. The icons stayed relatively the same, apps were easily identifiable.

"It made my perfectly smooth iPhone 4 running and looking like a s**t." - Every new version of iOS is a bit more complex than the previous version and the slowest handsets suffer from performance issues. The solution would be not to make the update available for older devices but than you get the crowd of "Apple purposely did this so I upgrade my phone".

"iOS 8 was with iOS 7 the buggiest release ever, iOS 9 suffered the input lag issue and iOS 11 is again very buggy with questionable UI changes." - There are plenty of others who can disagree with you on this. Sure, every version has its glitches and quirkiness but none had a showstopper flaw in which the phone was not usable.

Apple under Steve Jobs stood for Quality, Attention to detail and great customer service according to general consensus. Steve Jobs was this visionary who "knew" what we wanted before we wanted it.

Well, under Steve Jobs:

- We saw Antenna gate with SJ responding to it with "you're holding it wrong".
- We saw Yellow screens on the iPhone 4, pink screens on the iPhone 5
- We were told the best size for a phone was one that fit your hand perfectly and yet Apple has a 6.5" iPhone coming this year.
- We witnessed the disaster known as Apple Maps in iOS 7 under SJ as well.

You can't just remember the "good ol' days" and leave out the screw ups that also happened.

I don't see Apple's software team turning things around anytime soon. The real question is can you live with it.

I was confused because I didn’t know how to feel about iOS 7, not because I thought it’s hard to understand. I’m not dumb as rock man. I kinda wanted change too, but not that radical and definitely not for the worst. It’s funny how people hated Scott Forstall so much back then and now they want him back. I’m convinced that some kind of redesign would happened anyway under his leadership because iOS 6 indicated that.

We can talk about how bad Apple was then and how bad it is now but I want to tell you something. You should listen to the Vector podcast #119. The former Apple SW Engineering Director Bethany Bongiorno (the woman that was presenting iMessage at WWDC 2016) talks there about some interesting things and how hard was it at Apple when they were working on iOS 7. She calls it even hardest time than when they were working on iPad. Many people weren’t convinced about iOS 7 and there were talks about the future of the company. I’m pretty sure that Scott was very vocal about not making iOS the flatland that it is since iOS 7. So Jony fired him and executed his personall vendetta. The iOS 6 Maps was just an excuse for firing him. Here we are now and they’re slowly taking back lots of decisions they made with iOS 7.

The bottom line is you can say what you want but the company sure changed dramatically in 2013.

 

[zorinlynx]

I was confused because I didn’t know how to feel about iOS 7, not because I thought it’s hard to understand.

The biggest thing that iOS 7 brought that frustrated me (and many others here) is that the smoothness of iOS was gone.

OS animations and scrolling that used to be liquid smooth started stuttering all over the place, even on newer phones. It was horrendous for a while. In fact, I think post-iOS 7 stuttering didn't completely go away until later versions of iOS 10, and even then, it came back again for iOS 11 and only finally got perfectly smooth on 11.2 or .3.

Apple used to be OBSESSIVE about making the UI as silky smooth as possible, and it felt like their priorities changed with iOS 7. I came to the iOS platform with an iPhone 4 running iOS 4, and it was perfectly smooth and a beautiful experience until iOS 7 came out...upon which I started wanting to throw my iPhone 5 regularly. And it wasn't because I thought the UI was ugly! And the iPhone 4 was nearly unusable on iOS 7.

 

[Superhappytree]

"I was very confused at the time with iOS 7 " - Many users at the time were complaining that iOS was so stale and boring and hadn't changed much since 2007. Apple introduces a redesign ad people lose their minds because it's different. I'm not quite sure what you were confused. The icons stayed relatively the same, apps were easily identifiable.

"It made my perfectly smooth iPhone 4 running and looking like a s**t." - Every new version of iOS is a bit more complex than the previous version and the slowest handsets suffer from performance issues. The solution would be not to make the update available for older devices but than you get the crowd of "Apple purposely did this so I upgrade my phone".

"iOS 8 was with iOS 7 the buggiest release ever, iOS 9 suffered the input lag issue and iOS 11 is again very buggy with questionable UI changes." - There are plenty of others who can disagree with you on this. Sure, every version has its glitches and quirkiness but none had a showstopper flaw in which the phone was not usable.

Apple under Steve Jobs stood for Quality, Attention to detail and great customer service according to general consensus. Steve Jobs was this visionary who "knew" what we wanted before we wanted it.

Well, under Steve Jobs:

- We saw Antenna gate with SJ responding to it with "you're holding it wrong".
- We saw Yellow screens on the iPhone 4, pink screens on the iPhone 5
- We were told the best size for a phone was one that fit your hand perfectly and yet Apple has a 6.5" iPhone coming this year.
- We witnessed the disaster known as Apple Maps in iOS 7 under SJ as well.

You can't just remember the "good ol' days" and leave out the screw ups that also happened.

I don't see Apple's software team turning things around anytime soon. The real question is can you live with it.

Apart from antennagate (which has nothing to do with the software that was being discussed by the way, and was actually remedied in a point update), all of those points you made happened after Jobs passed. Sure, he may have oversaw some of it while he was alive, but didn’t see through enough of it to ensure the end product was executed without flaws. The Plus was released 3 years after he passed, and Jobs was the one who was reluctant to increase the size in the first place for the reason you explained so I don’t understand why you’re using that as an argument. Apple Maps was released a year after he passed, Forstall was in charge of that and got fired for it, which I still don’t think is justified to this day (they used him as a scapegoat because they wanted to get rid of him). The yellow and pink tints on iPhones has always been an issue, even to this day you’ll see those complaints in the iPhone forums about exchanging iPhones for the perfect screen.
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The biggest thing that iOS 7 brought that frustrated me (and many others here) is that the smoothness of iOS was gone.

OS animations and scrolling that used to be liquid smooth started stuttering all over the place, even on newer phones. It was horrendous for a while. In fact, I think post-iOS 7 stuttering didn't completely go away until later versions of iOS 10, and even then, it came back again for iOS 11 and only finally got perfectly smooth on 11.2 or .3.

Apple used to be OBSESSIVE about making the UI as silky smooth as possible, and it felt like their priorities changed with iOS 7. I came to the iOS platform with an iPhone 4 running iOS 4, and it was perfectly smooth and a beautiful experience until iOS 7 came out...upon which I started wanting to throw my iPhone 5 regularly. And it wasn't because I thought the UI was ugly! And the iPhone 4 was nearly unusable on iOS 7.

Agreed about the smoothness being gone. Apart from the design being inferior (in my personal opinion), the smoothness that was once the staple of iOS and something I didn’t know I took for granted until iOS 7, once I noticed that I knew Apple’s software had changed for the worst. Sure, we’ve gotten plenty of features since then but the quality is no longer there. I disagree with you though that iOS 10 was perfectly smooth, I still noticed plenty of stutters, it was just one of the smoothest in recent times that made you think it was on iOS 6 levels of smoothness. It hasn’t been truly smooth since iOS 6.

 

[eoblaed]

what can we REALISTICALLY see next week?

Tim Cook, Craig Federighi, etc, presenting stuff on stage.

 

[duffman9000]

Well, under Steve Jobs:

- We saw Antenna gate with SJ responding to it with "you're holding it wrong".
- We saw Yellow screens on the iPhone 4, pink screens on the iPhone 5
- We were told the best size for a phone was one that fit your hand perfectly and yet Apple has a 6.5" iPhone coming this year.
- We witnessed the disaster known as Apple Maps in iOS 7 under SJ as well.

You can't just remember the "good ol' days" and leave out the screw ups that also happened.

I don't see Apple's software team turning things around anytime soon. The real question is can you live with it.

Was SJ really "there"? I think he was already very sick. There is plenty of blame to go around though.
I recall testing those early builds and thinking WTH. I thought surely the internal builds were much better. Imagine a train coming to hit you and no one is trying to get out of the way. I still don't understand why the leaders on that team didn't stand up and say hell no we are not shipping that. If Forstall had resigned in protest he could have saved face.

Damn, I still can't believe Apple shipped that ****!

 

[Armen]

Was SJ really "there"? I think he was already very sick. There is plenty of blame to go around though.
I recall testing those early builds and thinking WTH. I thought surely the internal builds were much better. Imagine a train coming to hit you and no one is trying to get out of the way. I still don't understand why the leaders on that team didn't stand up and say hell no we are not shipping that. If Forstall had resigned in protest he could have saved face.

Damn, I still can't believe Apple shipped that ****!

Apple is turning into Electronic Arts. Release software prematurely just to meet target dates and then spend the next 6+ months fixing it. I remember how crappy Battlefield Vietnam was on release day. You'd fire a rocket at a tank and it would pass through it. People were running and shooting a M60 at full auto with high accuracy. 6 months of patches and it still wasn't where it should have been.

iOS may be glitchy and buggy in some areas but I'm not outraged enough to go to Android. Lesser of 2 evils I guess.

 

[hank moody]

No new hardware
It is a DEVELOPERS conference.

So... https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/31/mark-gurman-wwdc-2018-preview/

 

[C DM]

So... https://www.macrumors.com/2018/05/31/mark-gurman-wwdc-2018-preview/

Well, to be fair, these are just expectations from an individual, and there's also the mention of "although a surprise hardware announcement or two cannot be entirely ruled out."

 

[Txguy82]

Split screen would be nice.
Home screen app control & placement would def be a plus.
Dark mode for sure.
iMessages refresh would be killer!!

 

[Armen]

Bring me something useful. Like a dark mode,.

What exactly is useful about Dark mode? iOS already has the NightShift feature which makes it easier on your eyes when you are looking at the screen at night or in a dark room.
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Group FaceTime...

Less emoji

I'm curious how Apple is going to handle group Facetime. Facetime over cellular with 2 people is not exactly reliable let alone 3-4 people unless Apple expects us to Facetime over WiFI only.

 

[Brandonjr36]

What exactly is useful about Dark mode? iOS already has the NightShift feature which makes it easier on your eyes when you are looking at the screen at night or in a dark room.
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I'm curious how Apple is going to handle group Facetime. Facetime over cellular with 2 people is not exactly reliable let alone 3-4 people.

Nightshift it’s a joke. I don’t even use it. It makes the screen look like cigarette yellow. Dark mode is a lot nicer and it saves battery on an oled screen.

 

[Armen]

Nightshift it’s a joke. I don’t even use it. It makes the screen look like cigarette yellow. Dark mode is a lot nicer and it saves battery on an oled screen.

May want to read this: https://www.imore.com/night-shift-ios-93-explained

It does more than turn the screen "cigarette yellow".

 

[Brandonjr36]

May want to read this: https://www.imore.com/night-shift-ios-93-explained

It does more than turn the screen "cigarette yellow".

Thanks for the article but I don’t like nightshift, I hated it on my iPhone 7 and I’m sure I would hate it on my X.

 

[Armen]

Thanks for the article but I don’t like nightshift, I hated it on my iPhone 7 and I’m sure I would hate it on my X.

With Nightshift in place Darkmode suits no purpose unless Apple gets bored and decides to add it for the heck of it.

 

[Brandonjr36]

With Nightshift in place Darkmode suits no purpose unless Apple gets bored and decides to add it for the heck of it.

Well I guess we will see if they eventually add it or not. Til then I’ll use nothen. Cause I dang sure am not using nightshift. That’s the worst look on a display I have ever seen. It actually hurts my eyes worse then the regular display.

 

[Txguy82]

Well I guess we will see if they eventually add it or not. Til then I’ll use nothen. Cause I dang sure am not using nightshift. That’s the worst look on a display I have ever seen. It actually hurts my eyes worse then the regular display.

piss poor replication

 

[triptolemus]

systemwide dark mode perhaps?

System-wide dark mode... done!

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[nviz22]

Split screen would be nice.
Home screen app control & placement would def be a plus.
Dark mode for sure.
iMessages refresh would be killer!!

Doubt Apple will give split screen apps on iPhone. It’s been awhile since iPad offered it too. iOS 12’s unveiling is going to be the indicator I use to decide if I stick with iPhone or go Google Pixel next.

 

[mjschabow]

Doubt Apple will give split screen apps on iPhone. It’s been awhile since iPad offered it too. iOS 12’s unveiling is going to be the indicator I use to decide if I stick with iPhone or go Google Pixel next.

I think you'll be on the Pixel since iOS12 is supposedly not adding a bunch of features.

 

[Armen]

Doubt Apple will give split screen apps on iPhone. It’s been awhile since iPad offered it too. iOS 12’s unveiling is going to be the indicator I use to decide if I stick with iPhone or go Google Pixel next.

People tend to forget the customer service that comes with owning an Apple Product. If you need help with your Apple product:

• You can call Apple's customer service number or
• You can take your device to a local Apple Store for assistance.

Where do you go for for help with your Android phone? (Hint: If you have to google this question that should tell you something).

 

[nviz22]

I think you'll be on the Pixel since iOS12 is supposedly not adding a bunch of features.

Yeah I might go 2XL to save $. Or OP6. Leaning towards trying the OP6 to see if I can use it for two years and get near stock Android. Monday is basically decision day or at least an insight day.

I am going to look at my next phone as an investment. What will get me the most efficiency in year 2 or 3?

Samsung will make cost of ownership high because of their screen protector dearth. Next, their software is cumbersome and intrusive. Why do I need duplicate apps taking up RAM and space? Why do I need resources given to features I won’t use?

Updates mean my phone has possible security protection and newer features. Support is key. Google and Apple lead the charge with warranties and exceptions. No frills is important to me now and I’ll go for that rather than kitchen sink.
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People tend to forget the customer service that comes with owning an Apple Product. If you need help with your Apple product:

• You can call Apple's customer service number or
• You can take your device to a local Apple Store for assistance.

Where do you go for for help with your Android phone? (Hint: If you have to google this question that should tell you something).

Google was quite awesome with my Nexus 4 experience. They sent me two day air speeds for a phone replacement. Plus I have an older Nexus 5X that’s a backup device in case if I need to be without my main phone for a little. Won’t pay an Apple Tax on products just for a diminished return on hardware, software, and support. Apple must convince me as a consumer to return with a 6.1” product or a budget iPhone SE X form factor along with major software improvements.

I want a UI change, split screen apps, PiP mode, dark mode, AOD, etc. I’ll gladly stick to iOS for most of those additions if a UI change doesn’t happen. It is stupid how the iPad offers most of that but a larger screen iPhone doesn’t maximize its real-estate.

 

[Brandonjr36]

Doubt Apple will give split screen apps on iPhone. It’s been awhile since iPad offered it too. iOS 12’s unveiling is going to be the indicator I use to decide if I stick with iPhone or go Google Pixel next.

Why not get your device on iOS 11.3.1 and jailbreak soon? Apple is still signing it at the moment. Should be a jailbreak next week.

 

[Armen]

Won’t pay an Apple Tax on products just for a diminished return on hardware, software, and support

Apple Tax on products:

Have you checked prices lately? All of Google's Pixel phones are priced similarly with Apple's iPhones. It's not like they are half the price. a Pixel 2 XL is $949.00, the iPhone X is $999.00

Diminished return on hardware, software and support:

Google released the Nexus 5P in 2015. It stopped supporting it in 2017
Apple released the iPhone 5S in 2013. It is still supported by Apple on iOS 11 today.

 

[nviz22]

Apple Tax on products:

Have you checked prices lately? All of Google's Pixel phones are priced similarly with Apple's iPhones. It's not like they are half the price. a Pixel 2 XL is $949.00, the iPhone X is $999.00

Diminished return on hardware, software and support:

Google released the Nexus 5P in 2015. It stopped supporting it in 2017
Apple released the iPhone 5S in 2013. It is still supported by Apple on iOS 11 today.

Pixel 2XL is $849. You get a notch with the X and only a 45p benefit over the 8+. The camera is almost identical to the 8+. You have to pay for quick charge on iPhones rather than get something out of the box. iOS is the same UI since iOS 7 and doesn’t offer good screen real estate usage like Android.

Specs are worse outside the processor. More money less benefits. You can get more from a Pixel 2 than an iPhone 8. No iTunes, no $350- 400 price point needed for a LTE watch, no need to pay extra for a HomePod. You can get a weaker camera at $1000 than at $649 for a Pixel 2.

You don’t need Apple support to get a good mobile experience either. I am not spending $1000 to be tethered to an os that’s worse than Touchwiz/Samsung Experience. Wall garden at best and you have to subscribe to Apple limitations if you use their products.
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Why not get your device on iOS 11.3.1 and jailbreak soon? Apple is still signing it at the moment. Should be a jailbreak next week.

I'll pass on jailbreak because Apple should include features out of the box. I still am dumbfounded how a big screen iPhone doesn't offer PiP mode or splitscreen multitasking. MR's iOS 12 speculative prediction further cements the idea iOS 12 will not be feature fledged.