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Exactly. What a dumb idea Apple has going, as you can do this in any other Unix based/like system.
Actually, you CAN launch just about anything multiple times, including GUI apps, without copying them (good for things like QuickTime Player and other Apple apps that don't like being copied). The trick involves doing this:
  • Launch instance 1 in the usual way.
  • Launch subsequent instances by right/control-clicking the app bundle and choosing show package contents
  • Navigate to Contents -> MacOS
  • Double-click the binary file in here to open it
This will cause a Terminal window to appear for every additional instance launched. Note that each instance is tied to the Terminal window - attempting to close the Terminal window will cause the instance to quit. Annoying, certainly, but I've tried it and it DOES work.
 
apart from needing it for logic, expose is one of the most frustrating things not to have when i use a windows comp at uni

Amen to that.

I constantly find myself in Windows at home pressing the side button on my Logitech mouse, and Firefox just goes backwards. I'm always forgetting "Oh yeah, this is Windows isn't it... gah...". Expose is likely the best feature in Leopard :D, no doubt. I use it every 20-30 seconds!

Windows has never come close to such an amazing window manager. They tried to mimic Coverflow with that Flip3D garbage, and they failed epicly. I can't wait to see what they'll try and rip off of Expose. :rolleyes:
 
You can have multiple windows in iTunes. I do it all the time. And I don't think iTunes should quit when the window is open (even if it was a single window app) because it can still be playing music. iTunes would be an exception.

How so? The only other window you can open in iTunes other than the Library is Equalizer -- at least AFAIK. I wasn't counting secondary control pallets.

But you're right, creating a rule that makes sense and works 100% of the time isn't easy, maybe not even possible.
 
Exactly. What a dumb idea Apple has going, as you can do this in any other Unix based/like system.

maybe give below a try :)

Actually, you CAN launch just about anything multiple times, including GUI apps, without copying them (good for things like QuickTime Player and other Apple apps that don't like being copied). The trick involves doing this:
  • Launch instance 1 in the usual way.
  • Launch subsequent instances by right/control-clicking the app bundle and choosing show package contents
  • Navigate to Contents -> MacOS
  • Double-click the binary file in here to open it
This will cause a Terminal window to appear for every additional instance launched. Note that each instance is tied to the Terminal window - attempting to close the Terminal window will cause the instance to quit. Annoying, certainly, but I've tried it and it DOES work.

How so? The only other window you can open in iTunes other than the Library is Equalizer -- at least AFAIK. I wasn't counting secondary control pallets.

But you're right, creating a rule that makes sense and works 100% of the time isn't easy, maybe not even possible.

i think the poster is talking about having multiple playlist windows open..

you know, double click on a playlist and it opens up with just those songs.. you can have many many of those windows open.
 
Forgive my ignorance is this happens on other OS':

Does the Mac OS X read from every drive in the system when you open up a 'Open' file dialog window?

I have a couple of external USB drives and they spin down fairly often. Everytime I open up the open window, the system hangs for about 3 seconds when the drives spin up. Annoying when you just want something grab something like out of the download folder.
 
The rule would only apply to applications that can have only a single open window, like iPhoto or iTunes.

That would work, except:

You can have multiple windows in iTunes. I do it all the time. And I don't think iTunes should quit when the window is open (even if it was a single window app) because it can still be playing music. iTunes would be an exception.

And then you have messed up HIG with exceptions! :) I must note that I don't have much of an opinion. Right now I think the clearest way is to make all apps close only when quit.

Ugh that would annoy me no end. I regularly start playing music in iTunes and then close the window to get it out of the way.

What you are suggesting would require me to keep the iTunes window open if I ever wanted to listen to music.

What a perfectly cromulent screen name! This question has no hostility in case the internet seems to somehow add it: why not just hide iTunes? When I'm working I have iTunes open and I set some music to play and then I hide it. Is there a reason to close the window instead other than keeping a vis window open?

Forgive my ignorance is this happens on other OS':

Does the Mac OS X read from every drive in the system when you open up a 'Open' file dialog window?

I have a couple of external USB drives and they spin down fairly often. Everytime I open up the open window, the system hangs for about 3 seconds when the drives spin up. Annoying when you just want something grab something like out of the download folder.

Yeah, Mac OS X does that. It's kind of dumb since it doesn't do that when you're in the finder itself, only in an open/save dialog. I don't know why it can't wait to spin up those drives until you actually click on them in the dialogs.
 
I just knew it would be a partition issue. I can't say much about that. I don't like to partition my drives and most users don't do it.
More than likely most Mac owners will have one of the following: an external drive, a network drive, a bootcamp partition, a USB memory stick, etc. That means OS X will react differently to drag 'n drop for all of those items.

[I'm talking about] a likely scenario for someone typing a large document.
No, it's not a likely scenario. 90% of the computing world uses Windows and I don't see, hear or read about people having issues with cut 'n paste. The only time I've seen cut 'n paste become an issue is here on macrumors.

They like to make their metaphors clean and simple. Just look at how long it took them to come up with cut, copy, and paste for the iPhone.
The iPhone's cut, copy and paste is hardly mindblowing. The reason it took so long to come out is because they only have so many software writers and copy 'n paste was probably lower on the list of things to code.



Now, for my pros and cons of OS X:
Pros:

  • Super easy file installation and removal. Although OS X should have a built-in program removal tool that removes all the extraneous files such as plists.
  • iChat with its screen sharing feature built-in.
  • Quicklook.
  • Different screen capture options blows away Windows print screen.

Cons:
  • No cut 'n paste.
  • Finder sucks. No wildcard searches, no saved views for different folders, can't open up multiple folders in multiple drives in the same window, etc.
  • Save dialog box. You can't rename, copy, cut, paste, delete files in the save dialog box like you can in Windows.
  • Can't FTP natively from Finder like you can in Windows Explorer.
  • Can't burn multi-session CD without jumping through ridiculous hoops. Why does OS X finalize the disc and not have an option box to leave the disc open?
  • Can't tile opened windows on the desktop.
  • Caps lock key doesn't react like other keys. Takes a slow press to activate. Not good for a fast typer.
  • Can't resize windows anywhere except lower right corner means more clicks if you have multiple overlapping windows blocking the lower right corner.
  • Lack of a full screen maximize button. Just put another button next to the green button already.
  • No Blu-ray playback support.
  • No way to change video drivers for when Apple screws up a new release (my Mac Pro graphics perform worse with 10.5.3, .4 and .5 vs 10.5.2).
  • The window close, minimize and maximize buttons aren't consistent in size. On some (small) windows they're tiny and harder to hit.
  • Lack of controls for the built-in iSight camera. For example, you can't control shutter speed.
  • Lack of a proper forward delete key on my MBP. Using Fn+delete is clumsy.
  • Flash turns the computer into an oven.
  • Hot corners sucks in a mult-monitor setup.
  • Lack of software.
 
This thread is for kudos, gripes, and discussion of the design and features of Mac OS X.

Every operating system has advantages and disadvantages. Mac OS X is no exception. What features of Mac OS X do you find especially useful or well designed? What features of Mac OS X annoy and frustrate you?

I view all of my pros and cons as states of version and feature requests rather than good and bad points. Where OS X in now is just where it is. What I find lacking are the very thing I would classify as feature requests. So here's what I want it to do that it doesn't do now:

  1. Easy Access to the scheduler's process control. Set priorities, assign cores.
  2. More support for image folder displays - I want larger previews in finder without having to use CoverFlow.
  3. I want more control over the video card functions. System Preferences --> Displays is extremely weak!
  4. I want 3D window transition and switching kinda like Parallels DeskTop has now.
  5. I want more column fields to sort by in list mode. For audio, movie and image files especially.
  6. A more open and/or common architecture would be nice so that we don't have to flash the cards we want to buy from 3rd party vendors. The current system is down tyrannical!
  7. Better user control over system cooling facilities. There's smcFanControl but it should be more robust, automatable, system specific and offered by Apple as opposed to a 3rd party.
  8. Better/easier renaming facilities for Finder users would be cool.
  9. Remove the global F-Key definitions which by default interfere with Application F-Key assignments.
There's probably more but right now that's all I can think of.
 
I don't understand the "no cut & paste" remarks. Mine has it. ???:confused:

C&P Text,
C&P files,
C&P folders,
C&P file names.

What else is there?
 
Seriously, why would I want to cut and paste an application when I can move the damn thing?
This whole cut and paste thing is a non-issue...well at least for me.


There are however a few things I kinda dislike:

- Non-consistency in closing windows/apps
Some programms/utiltilies like calculator and system preferences close when clicking the red button.
I know there's a good reason for that: with multi-window apps only the window closes, with one window apps the whole programm closes when closing the window.
But it just isn't comfortable in practice, I often find myself closing the System Preferences (window) and opening them numerous times...and I work with OSX for longer than 5 years.
Closing the window only has to close the window, not the whole app.

- Often mentioned: Flash on a Mac sucks, but it isn't Apple fault.

That's it.
I may come up with more cons...
 
Yep. I should have been more clear.

thats my job, make everybody understand :p

*writing of opinions etc*

*pros*


Cons:
  • No cut 'n paste.
  • Finder sucks. No wildcard searches, no saved views for different folders, can't open up multiple folders in multiple drives in the same window, etc.
  • Save dialog box. You can't rename, copy, cut, paste, delete files in the save dialog box like you can in Windows.
Can't FTP natively from Finder like you can in Windows Explorer.

uuhh, yes you can.. Go->Connect To Server (or :apple: + K), type in FTP:\\IP

tada!

Can't burn multi-session CD without jumping through ridiculous hoops. Why does OS X finalize the disc and not have an option box to leave the disc open?

wow never knew people actually used this feature, what does it even do?? toast allows you to not 'finalise'

Can't tile opened windows on the desktop.

explain..


Caps lock key doesn't react like other keys. Takes a slow press to activate. Not good for a fast typer.

uumm, righto. mines fine. im a fast typer and i dont need to 'slow down' for it, must be your keyboard. maybe there is sticky residue behind it

Can't resize windows anywhere except lower right corner means more clicks if you have multiple overlapping windows blocking the lower right corner.

ive grown up with it so im used to it :)

No Blu-ray playback support.

and windows actually does? to play a BD in windows you have to first 'decode' the disc with ANYDVD-HD to your HD then watch it..

Lack of controls for the built-in iSight camera. For example, you can't control shutter speed.

show me this feature on ANY PC laptop, who gives its just a laptop ****** camera for the interwebz

Lack of a proper forward delete key on my MBP. Using Fn+delete is clumsy.

get a full size keyboard, wala!! you have a 'proper' delete key


Flash turns the computer into an oven.

great one adobe :rolleyes:


Hot corners sucks in a mult-monitor setup.

ive got no problems with it at all, i love it on my dual monitor setup.

Lack of software.

there are more often then not MORE superior mac programs than their counterpart PC programs, and theyr cheaper too (sometimes even free)


just thought id wake you up to a few things
 
wow never knew people actually used this feature, what does it even do?? toast allows you to not 'finalise'
What this allows you to do is write multiple times to the same disc, so you don't waste a disc by only putting a little data on it then closing it.
explain..
Tiling windows is actually quite useful. It's certainly not a necessity on Mac OS X with Expose but it helps manage window clutter in one application that has multiple windows open, for instance, so you can see all the windows at once. Though I'm not a switcher I'd find this useful enough to use it occasionally.
 
- Often mentioned: Flash on a Mac sucks, but it isn't Apple fault.

It does? Hmmm... I hadn't noticed. How does it "suck"?


Tiling windows is actually quite useful. It's certainly not a necessity on Mac OS X with Expose but it helps manage window clutter in one application that has multiple windows open, for instance, so you can see all the windows at once. Though I'm not a switcher I'd find this useful enough to use it occasionally.

Umm, Mac isn't Windows. It doesn't do everything the Windows way. Mac OS X uses something called Exposé. It's a different convention for a different OS. It's better than tiling after you get used to it. I have it assigned to one of my mouse buttons. I'm glad OS X doesn't try to clone windows. It gets you to work the Mac way.


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I haven't noticed this either, but for some users it runs slowly and makes their computer(s) run hot. For others, it works just fine. :confused:
It's not nearly as random as most would think. For the ones who have the slow/hot problem, they are running flash version 9.x. For the people who have no trouble and it's working fine, they're running flash 10.x.

Go to adobe.com and download the latest 10.x version flash plugin and your slowness and 100% cpu problems will vanish.
 
It's not nearly as random as most would think. For the ones who have the slow/hot problem, they are running flash version 9.x. For the people who have no trouble and it's working fine, they're running flash 10.x.

Go to adobe.com and download the latest 10.x version flash plugin and your slowness and 100% cpu problems will vanish.

Oh... LOL it's pilot error. Heh!

Figures. :)
 
Hmmm is there an example page of a bad one?

I just tried a few:

http://www.wddg.com/
http://www.flashcartoons.org/Games/travdojo1.html

Seems fine here. <shrug>

It runs just fine, but worse and it requires much more CPU than on a similar Windows PC.

A 'youtube session' can result in 100% CPU usage for Safari.

Take Google Maps "Streetview", it loads quicker and without building up the image (when scrolling) on a similar Windows PC.

It's not nearly as random as most would think. For the ones who have the slow/hot problem, they are running flash version 9.x. For the people who have no trouble and it's working fine, they're running flash 10.x.

Go to adobe.com and download the latest 10.x version flash plugin and your slowness and 100% cpu problems will vanish.
I run Flash 10.
 
It runs just fine, but worse and it requires much more CPU than on a similar Windows PC.

A 'youtube session' can result in 100% CPU usage for Safari.

Take Google Maps "Streetview", it loads quicker and without building up the image (when scrolling) on a similar Windows PC.

I run Flash 10.
Oh, is that so? I'll have to try this, since I just installed Windows Vista on my iMac with Boot Camp. I'll go grab the Flash 10 plugin, load a Flash site like YouTube on both platforms, and attempt to draw some conclusions from the results.
 
Right now I have five windows open. When I tile them with Exposé, the one open Finder window is too small to determine the contents or even to read the title of the folder.
Well, as I said, I don't have a problem with it, but I can see it being annoying to have to figure out which one you're looking for by hovering over it. They could put the text over all of them by default or if it's over a certain number of windows.
Hold down the Option key.
 
More than likely most Mac owners will have one of the following: an external drive, a network drive, a bootcamp partition, a USB memory stick, etc. That means OS X will react differently to drag 'n drop for all of those items.

Mac OS X reacts the same to all of those except partitions. The rest are all technically external drives. It's not like you have to learn anything new for each drive you use. Tell me, did you complain to Apple about the inconsistency? Maybe there's a bug present that they're not aware of?

I didn't write Mac OS X, you know. As I don't have a partitioned drive, I wasn't aware of it. When you talked about it, I agreed that it was illogical and inconsistent.

I'm not arguing against cut and paste, I'm simply saying, as I did before, that Apple has probably chosen to leave it out until they figure out what to do with it because it functions differently with files and folders than it does with text. You can't argue that. You really have to leave undo out of the argument. Undo is a separate system function. If you cut text and cut more text, the original text is GONE. If you cut a file and cut another file, the original is UNCUT. The two are different, it's a fact.

I agreed that Mac OS X is inconsistent when it comes to quitting the application. It's inconsistent in many places, like Windows and like almost everything with a GUI.

No, it's not a likely scenario. 90% of the computing world uses Windows and I don't see, hear or read about people having issues with cut 'n paste. The only time I've seen cut 'n paste become an issue is here on macrumors.

I disagree. It's a perfectly likely scenario.

The iPhone's cut, copy and paste is hardly mindblowing. The reason it took so long to come out is because they only have so many software writers and copy 'n paste was probably lower on the list of things to code.

It does appear to be well thought out. They didn't just slap it together because now they have time. Sure, I bet it took a bit for them to figure out the best way to store the clipboard and retrieve it, but I think it's clear that Apple's programmers highly value UI. They wouldn't just slap it together and hope it works à la Microsoft.

  • iChat with its screen sharing feature built-in.

By the way, there's an app in Leopard that is specifically for screen sharing. You can use it like a remote desktop and you don't need iChat open.

As for your cons:

  • Save Dialog - I wholeheartedly agree, that's the only change I've ever really, really wanted. When I first bought my PowerBook, I checked every release to see if they added it. I finally gave up somewhere in the middle of Tiger. I'd also add the ability to copy from the new folder dialog.
  • FTP - Like someone else said Command+K. It's been there for ages.
  • Tiling Windows - I don't think I'd use it. At most I'm using a few windows at a time. It'd be useful in Photoshop though. And wait, Photoshop does it!
  • Caps Lock - What computer are you talking about? My old Apple keyboard reacts the same, and so does the keyboard on my PowerBook. Further, what exactly is the use of caps lock? I've never found that key to be very useful. If I need a word in caps, I hold shift and type. I have big hands and I'm a touch typist, so I don't need to use my pinky if I don't want to. Why would anyone need to type in caps for any extended amount of time? If you give me a reason I'll be happy to acknowledge it. The only time I ever use the key is to keep After Effects from displaying frames as it renders, unfortunately, this applies outside of AE to, so if I have to type, it shows the frames anyway.
  • Full Screen Button - Um Apple, if you're listening, please don't do this. I don't need my UI to be cluttered with another button I won't use. Thanks. When I used Windows I used maximize, now I don't miss it at all.
  • Blu Ray Support - This would be nice, but I don't own any. I don't pay full price for DVDs, I won't be paying double a DVD price for a BRD. Yeah, it looks awesome, and yeah I have a HD LCD panel on my computer and on my wall, but $25+ for a movie is nuts. At my old job, we tested how our Blu Ray player looked with a BRD vs upconverted DVD, and the difference wasn't as big as one would expect. In fact, it was hardly noticeable.
  • Button Size - Is there any chance you're talking about an Apple Pro app? For some reason they do that and get away with it. This one is really the fault of the software developers, not OS X specifically.
  • iSight Controls - What are you going to do with that camera? Shoot a movie with it? Would you like adjustable aperture too so that you can get really nice DOF while you're talking to a friend on iChat? I guess it would be fun to play around with, but how many people would use it to justify implementing it?
  • Forward Delete - You know I can see the usefulness in this, but I never use it on my full size keyboards. I know a lot of people do. I just rarely need to forward delete, but when I do, I hold shift and arrow to the right until the text is selected and then just delete normally. I don't know why one would end up needing to forward delete often enough to complain about it.

Hold down the Option key.

You know, I forgot about that. Touché.
 
Oh, is that so? I'll have to try this, since I just installed Windows Vista on my iMac with Boot Camp. I'll go grab the Flash 10 plugin, load a Flash site like YouTube on both platforms, and attempt to draw some conclusions from the results.

Try this link, just sit and watch the animation.
http://producten.hema.nl/

On my Mac it takes around 5-6 seconds to load, a loading circle pops up (do mind that it takes 5 seconds the first time this site is visited, the second time it is already cached and it will load instantly)
On a similar Windows PC at work (with slower internet) it loads in an instance, no loading circle.

Activity monitor will show CPU peaks for Safari up to 118%
(Camino is even worse: peaks of 128% )
On a Windows PC it will not peak any higher than 30%
 
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