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What do you think about 13" Name changed to PRO??

thejadedmonkey said:
I don't like that Apple is calling it a pro machine, but I don't like it simply because it's not a pro machine. Pro implies features and ports not found on a similar, yet non pro model.

The only difference is the SD slot and appearance. That doesn't make something pro.

The 13" and 15" with the 9400m are just Macbooks, and should be called thusly, while a 13" with a a 9600 would be a "pro" machine.

Really though, the 13" MBP is the BEST laptop in Apple's lineup.
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The "pro" moniker is arbitrary at best and can be defined by different people in different ways. It is not a true definitive description. Nobody can say this feature = pro and lack of these features ≠ pro. That is a matter of opinion only and not an industry standard. Apple is free to define the terms as they see fit for marketing. It is incumbent on the buyer to know what he/she wants and purchase the computer that meets their needs accordingly. If they only buy because it says "pro" or not, then they are uninformed consumers to begin with.

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It is a marketing change folks, the MacBooks will probably show up again in a different form/design eventually.

Keep in mind that there always was a full-feature/smaller-form laptop in the "pro" lineup.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
The 13" and 15" with the 9400m are just Macbooks, and should be called thusly, while a 13" with a a 9600 would be a "pro" machine.
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Would it though? I guess it would depend on just what type of "pro" you were.
We used to buy some of our designers, creatives and systems architects
the white MacBook because hooked up to a 24" monitor it did what they needed, and they were professionals. However, the MBP wouldn't cut it for some of them when doing large video editing projects so what's in a name?
 
MacDawg said:
The "pro" moniker is arbitrary at best and can be defined by different people in different ways. It is not a true definitive description. Nobody can say this feature = pro and lack of these features ≠ pro. That is a matter of opinion only and not an industry standard. Apple is free to define the terms as they see fit for marketing. It is incumbent on the buyer to know what he/she wants and purchase the computer that meets their needs accordingly. If they only buy because it says "pro" or not, then they are uninformed consumers to begin with.
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I agree fully with this reply.

IMHO, I don't think any mac laptop qualifies as a "pro" machine (the 17" matte with improved gamut is close), but they can call it whatever they want.
 
MacDawg said:
Nobody is ganging up on the guy. We just don't care about the name of the computer like he/she obviously does.

And "no", that is not what he was saying... i.e. "What he means is not that his "ego" was deflated because now anyone can buy a MacBook Pro but that a Pro machine should be just that, a Pro machine, not an entry level notebook called Pro." What he said was... "Now everybody will have "PRO" and i don't think i'll be proud of saying i have macbook "PRO" anymore." And that IS ego.

And, the only ones offended are those who want the prestige of a "Pro" name, and want to be snobbish about it. Screw the names, they are for marketing. It is like GM calling the GMC line of trucks "professional grade" when they are the same trucks as the Chevy. Or Excedrin marketing their brand as "Excedrin Migrain" when the ingredients are exactly the same as their normal brand.

If you buy a MBP to show it off, you are wasting a lot of money. A computer is a tool for doing work, not to show off. Buy the specs you need, not the name on the lid.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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Really? Then why do some people buy Porsches instead of GMCs? Most people who buy Porsches bought it because of the name brand, just because you don't agree with it or might not be able to afford it, doesn't make it wrong, correct?

To each its own my friend.
 
HLdan said:
There are a couple of other threads about this but I can tell by your OP that you are not a Mac user from the past. If you were you would know about the 12" Powerbook. It was priced around the same as the 13" Macbook and it had far less features and capabilities of the 15" and 17". The 13" was the missing Pro machine in Apple's line because they never replaced the 12" Powerbook. People new to Mac don't know about the 12" Powerbook.
Also dude, don't take this too personal but just the idea that you don't like the fact that people with the 13" Pro now make your 15" seem less "Pro" sorta makes you come off as a elitist snob. We (Mac users) need to lose that bad rep.
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I'm still using my 2005 12 G4, 1.25 GB ram, 60 GB hd, 1.33 Ghz

It's served me so well for djing due to it's size and finally there is a 13" Book with firewire!!! I've only waited three years

Regardless of the name the spec is savage, my new 13" Pro could nearly replace my G5

just my two cents
 
stark4 said:
For 15" and 17" Macbook Pro users... what do you guys think about the 13" Macbook change to Macbook "Pro".

for me i feel pretty sad because i have 15" Pro and Now everybody will have "PRO" and i don't think i'll be proud of saying i have macbook "PRO" anymore. you know what i mean...

all the 13" users will say they have PRO also..

i dont hate 13" users but i'm just saying...

do you guys feel the same thing?
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I think you have issues if you measure your self worth by the computer you use...
 
thiagos said:
Really? Then why do some people buy Porsches instead of GMCs? Most people who buy Porches bought it because of the name brand, just because you don't agree with it or might not be able to afford it, doesn't make it wrong, correct?

To each its own my friend.
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Or maybe they also bought it because it's a premium brand offering higher levels of overall performace?
 
thiagos said:
Really? Then why do some people buy Porsches instead of GMCs? Most people who buy Porches bought it because of the name brand, just because you don't agree with it or might not be able to afford it, doesn't make it wrong, correct?

To each its own my friend.
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Call me crazy, but maybe because they want the performance the Porsche gives over the GMC?

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thiagos said:
Really? Then why do some people buy Porsches instead of GMCs? Most people who buy Porches bought it because of the name brand, just because you don't agree with it or might not be able to afford it, doesn't make it wrong, correct?
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I bought my Porsche because I heard it gets the women all riled up. I haven't heard of too many GMC Jimmys doing that.
 
colmaclean said:
I've got a 15" uMBP and I haven't done a second's "pro" work on it. Should I just call it a MacBook?
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Because you chose not to. You choosing what to do and what not to do is totally irrelevant to what the product is called. If I only use books as paperweights, should I call it a paperweight? No...
 
MacDawg said:
Nobody is ganging up on the guy. We just don't care about the name of the computer like he/she obviously does.

And "no", that is not what he was saying... i.e. "What he means is not that his "ego" was deflated because now anyone can buy a MacBook Pro but that a Pro machine should be just that, a Pro machine, not an entry level notebook called Pro." What he said was... "Now everybody will have "PRO" and i don't think i'll be proud of saying i have macbook "PRO" anymore." And that IS ego.

And, the only ones offended are those who want the prestige of a "Pro" name, and want to be snobbish about it. Screw the names, they are for marketing. It is like GM calling the GMC line of trucks "professional grade" when they are the same trucks as the Chevy. Or Excedrin marketing their brand as "Excedrin Migrain" when the ingredients are exactly the same as their normal brand.

If you buy a MBP to show it off, you are wasting a lot of money. A computer is a tool for doing work, not to show off. Buy the specs you need, not the name on the lid.

Woof, Woof - Dawg
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This would make more sense with some other companies but not Apple. Apple is largely about brand recognition. There's a group of people that use Apple's because they need to. Then there's others who purchase based on other factors like: brand, aesthetics, etc.

You can argue until you're blue in the face but ultimately this was a great marketing move on Apple's part. They did this because: 1.) Global economy and 2.) Targeting the 'average' consumer; not the 'pro'.

Average consumer population > pro consumer population, which is more $ in Apple's pocket.

Consumers, no matter category or reasoning behind purchase or potential purchase have every right to complain. This fact renders every other argument moot.

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Why do you care what NAME your mac has, and that more people will have a computer with the same NAME. Its just a NAME. Dont worry about the name, worry about the user experience
 
MacDawg said:
Call me crazy, but maybe because they want the performance the Porsche gives over the GMC?

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The quality, the performance that is true but the name has a big influence on people's decision otherwise you'd see more Dodge Vipers on the streets...
 
Because "SuperSweeper 2000!" sounds better than "SuperSweeper 12". It makes the customer feel like they are getting more. Welcome to linguistic politics. Just listen to the news, all polititions do this stuff. Or think of "Janitor" vs. "Sanitary Engineer." Apple knows that slapping pro on it will give people on the fence a boost of confidence that they are getting something better. While all the while, in order for them to save money, they halved the cache and did the graphics drop. So you're not really saving money, they just took some features out and they passed along the savings...

It's a company, they are in to make money. When regular Apple Jacks cereal quits selling well, change the shape, box color and add a subtitle and WHAM, you have a "new" cereal that everyone has to try...
 
It's a step in the right direction, since they reintroduced the white Macbook I thought they might have pushed the metal Macbook to a Pro.
However it isn't pro. The single audio input/output isn't a good idea (unless someone comes along with a splitter) and soldering in the battery screams cheap laptop - not pro.

But hopefully they can work out these kinks. My next laptop will be the smallest sized pro laptop Apple offer.
 
thiagos said:
The quality, the performance that is true but the name has a big influence on people's decision otherwise you'd see more Dodge Vipers on the streets...
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Unless of course Vipers cost more than Porches, which (at least in this country) they do. Porsche also have German build quality and reliability as a selling point too.
 
Fizzoid said:
Unless of course Vipers cost more than Porches, which (at least in this country) they do. Porsche also have German build quality and reliability as a selling point too.
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Touaregs cost more than the BMW X5 but that's besides the point.

LOL this thread is getting nasty. In any way I meant to offend anyone and if I did, I do apologize. All I am trying to get to is that, the name brand has a lot to do in the society we live in today, most people (not everyone) buy things because of the name, the way it looks and status that that product gives you (I admit I am materialistic and so is most people), you might deny it but one way or another everyone does it, from the neighborhood they live in to the car they drive. I live in New York City, as much as I would like the world to be a less materialistic, it isn't and never will be.

You guys have a great day...
 
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