What do your friends think?

[chris975d]

The difference is that YOU don't know as you are not a watch wearer. But Apple aren't holding their breath waiting for you or anyone else to say how much battery life they actually need. They probably have a Mark II that fixes the problem (and it is a problem).



My prediction is that there will not only be a newer version of this watch next year but there will be another productivity focussed watch as well which will strip out some non essentials and be a 'pro' version.

I actually love the idea of a Pro model. I'd actually prefer Apple make a Fitbit or Jawbone style bracelet that syncs constantly with my iPhone than an entire watch. I have watches that an Apple watch will never replace, so I don't need that. Give me all the health based features of the Apple watch in a good looking bracelet that Apple fully supported and designed for use with the iPhone, and I'd be a customer of that.

 

[5105973]

Hmm...because of the different bracelet form factor, (assuming I'm interpreting your concept correctly), that wouldn't be so much a Pro edition of the existing Apple Watch concept as a different and useful product entirely. Though with some functional overlap I suppose. Interesting. If they made it I wonder which I'd end up preferring.

 

[poppe]

I won't tell any of my friends. I already have a nice watch. I am hoping they won't notice. Most of my friends like to hate on Apple. They don't realize why I buy what I buy because they are so caught up on "things need to be open" and "apple price tag" etc.

 

[chris975d]

Hmm...because of the different bracelet form factor, (assuming I'm interpreting your concept correctly), that wouldn't be so much a Pro edition of the existing Apple Watch concept as a different and useful product entirely. Though with some functional overlap I suppose. Interesting. If they made it I wonder which I'd end up preferring.

Well my first sentence started out talking about a Pro watch model like the quoted poster mentioned, then I quickly revised changed to a bracelet only model. That would get me more than a watch. Nothing Apple makes, unless they partnered with Rolex, would get me to ever take off a Rolex (or Patek, etc if I ever move up in the watch world). So to get my (and most expensive watch owners business, at least all the ones I've talked to and on big forums like rolexforums.com) they are going to have to come up with something other than a "watch" format. And as uppity as Apple thinks they are, I'm positive they want Rolex, Patek, AP type people wearing the Apple brand. That's how you get prestige/clout/whatever you want to call it.

 

[Arran]

I actually love the idea of a Pro model. I'd actually prefer Apple make a Fitbit or Jawbone style bracelet that syncs constantly with my iPhone than an entire watch. I have watches that an Apple watch will never replace, so I don't need that. Give me all the health based features of the Apple watch in a good looking bracelet that Apple fully supported and designed for use with the iPhone, and I'd be a customer of that.

Yep, I'd buy that in an instant. Something to augment a good watch, NOT replace it.

Maybe next year we'll get our Watch nano

 

[chris975d]

I'd buy that in an instant. Something to augment a good watch, NOT replace it.



Maybe next year we'll see the Watch nano

See? If Apple would poll people for this product, I'll bet one of my watches that it'd go over better with current watch owners than this Apple watch business. But I'm firmly convinced this watch idea of Apple's has more to do with Jony Ive's arrogant ego thinking he can take i the Swiss watch industry than Apple actually thinking customers want a "watch" that's just a wireless controller for your iPhone.

 

[Multiverse223]

See? If Apple would poll people for this product, I'll bet one of my watches that it'd go over better with current watch owners than this Apple watch business. But I'm firmly convinced this watch idea of Apple's has more to do with Jony Ive's arrogant ego thinking he can take i the Swiss watch industry than Apple actually thinking customers want a "watch" that's just a wireless controller for your iPhone.

Its a lot more than a wireless controller for your iPhone. Maybe you aren't aware of all of the things you can do with it. Moreover, the future of this product is biometric sensors, which inherently can't be done on an iPhone, now, or in the future.

 

[chris975d]

What do your friends think?

Its a lot more than a wireless controller for your iPhone. Maybe you aren't aware of all of the things you can do with it. Moreover, the future of this product is biometric sensors, which inherently can't be done on an iPhone, now, or in the future.

Then it shouldn't be linked to the iPhone so hard. Trust me, I've read all about it and watched every video. I know what this thing does, and more importantly what it doesn't do. Which is precisely part of the reason I don't want one (aside from not wanting an Apple branded watch...that's as geeky to me as running around in Sony branded shoes). That's a step backwards in terms of quality for me. I don't need biometric sensors on me during normal activity. I barely need them when I work out. So that doesn't really matter to me. Once you take those away, it is more or less just a wireless remote display/remote control for my iPhone. I'm busy, but not so busy I can't take 3 seconds to get my iPhone out of my pocket.

 

[dannn]

As with most of my apple purchases, I am not vocal about them. The reasons are

1. The purchases are for my enjoyment/use and not others. I do not seek the input or approval of my friends when I purchase things
2. I know people will get worked up over it if I mention it. People think it's gloating or something?

 

[heeloliver]

Will the watch be successful? Yes. Can it be compared to the success of the iPhone? No.

Some people will just simply not wear a watch, even if it gets rid of cancer.

 

[Dmaynard83]

I have maybe 2 friends that are interested in buying it. The rest of my friends have absolutely zero interest in the watch.

 

[5105973]

See? If Apple would poll people for this product, I'll bet one of my watches that it'd go over better with current watch owners than this Apple watch business. But I'm firmly convinced this watch idea of Apple's has more to do with Jony Ive's arrogant ego thinking he can take i the Swiss watch industry than Apple actually thinking customers want a "watch" that's just a wireless controller for your iPhone.

Well I certainly think your concept has a place and a potential market either among people who won't give up their watches or among people who don't want to go back to wearing watches and offloading functions from IPhones when they are content with the status quo. And we've certainly heard from the latter in many threads on this forum.

I don't fit in either category so I think I'll be happy with the Watch. Only time will tell if I and Buunicula and others prove to be in an eccentric and eclectic minority.

Now about your remark on Jony Ive. I heard about some of those quotes of his that contribute to such a perception of his arrogance and a negative view toward the watch concept itself.

The thing is...by now I've also read other conflicting statements given out as the raison d'être for this final incarnation of the product line and I don't think what you stated quite covers it, either.

At this point the Apple Watch has had more than one person developing it and giving their account of why it exists in the state it does. They don't sound a thing like defeating the big players in the watch world. Perhaps there's been an effort on the part of Alan Dye and Kevin Lynch and others to downplay Jony's arguably rash words, but now it sounds more like they as a company had a vision to bring an outgrowth of the personal computing and telecommunications experience to wearables. They make it sound like they thought that an object to be worn on the wrist seemed the most natural progression and path of least resistance. This brought to mind wrist watches and then Jony went bonkers over horology.

I admit, this shrouds the Watch concept in murky origins and doesn't really help clarify the marketing concept to anybody. Which may explain why my sister-in-law who is both fitness and fashion conscience and fond of her Apple Products and does actually watch some TV (most of my friends and I watch little to no tv at all) did not even hear about the Apple Watch until we met at the family gathering yesterday and I told her about it. (After she left, the rest of us all agreed to buy her the pink sport model she liked).

Come to think of it, I only know about the Apple Watch because they debuted it at the debut for the IPhones.

 

[Multiverse223]

Then it shouldn't be linked to the iPhone so hard. Trust me, I've read all about it and watched every video. I know what this thing does, and more importantly what it doesn't do. Which is precisely part of the reason I don't want one (aside from not wanting an Apple branded watch...that's as geeky to me as running around in Sony branded shoes). That's a step backwards in terms of quality for me. I don't need biometric sensors on me during normal activity. I barely need them when I work out. So that doesn't really matter to me. Once you take those away, it is more or less just a wireless remote display/remote control for my iPhone. I'm busy, but not so busy I can't take 3 seconds to get my iPhone out of my pocket.

First of all, it's the first generation of this product. Do you know how linked to a computer the first iPhone was? You had to sync it to a computer to put anything on it, to download any updates, etc.. This will become less reliant on the iPhone as time goes on...

Being Apple branded doesn't make it geeky, what makes it geeky in your mind is that it is a smartwatch, which you can't get passed until years down the road when they're common and Apple's is the fashionable watch that it will be.

You don't understand biometric sensors I don't think. Biometric sensors are far and beyond more useful than fitness sensors which is all any wearables do this far. In the future however, wearables will have numerous biosensors tracking extremely important information about one's vitals, as well as other biological, physiological, and kinesiological metrics. It's the future of health, and medicine. It will be extremely useful in preventing and diagnosing disease. You might not get it, understand it, imagine it, or think you need it yet, or in the future, but the future isn't here yet, and you are one person, not everyone (not everyone wants a smartphone, or a cellphone).

Finally, if you don't like the watch, I don't know why you have such interest in it, as to come post on forums specifically devoted to everything concerning it.

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Will the watch be successful? Yes. Can it be compared to the success of the iPhone? No.

Some people will just simply not wear a watch, even if it gets rid of cancer.

Some people will simply not go seek medical help, some people will simply not wear clothing, some people will simply not use a smartphone, or even a cellphone.

 

[chris975d]

What do your friends think?

First of all, it's the first generation of this product. Do you know how linked to a computer the first iPhone was? You had to sync it to a computer to put anything on it, to download any updates, etc.. This will become less reliant on the iPhone as time goes on...



Being Apple branded doesn't make it geeky, what makes it geeky in your mind is that it is a smartwatch, which you can't get passed until years down the road when they're common and Apple's is the fashionable watch that it will be.



You don't understand biometric sensors I don't think. Biometric sensors are far and beyond more useful than fitness sensors which is all any wearables do this far. In the future however, wearables will have numerous biosensors tracking extremely important information about one's vitals, as well as other biological, physiological, and kinesiological metrics. It's the future of health, and medicine. It will be extremely useful in preventing and diagnosing disease. You might not get it, understand it, imagine it, or think you need it yet, or in the future, but the future isn't here yet, and you are one person, not everyone (not everyone wants a smartphone, or a cellphone).



Finally, if you don't like the watch, I don't know why you have such interest in it, as to come post on forums specifically devoted to everything concerning it.

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Some people will simply not go seek medical help, some people will simply not wear clothing, some people will simply not use a smartphone, or even a cellphone.

Jesus Christ...yes, I've had every iPhone. Pretty sure I know how they've all worked.

But here...You're right. I know nothing. There. That make you feel better? But if you check the rest of this thread, there are obviously more people in the real world (as opposed to this forum) that don't want the watch. Or are we not reading the same posts??

Also, regarding your borderline laughable comment of "as to come post on forums specifically devoted to everything concerning it." So this entire forum is about the Apple Watch now? Suddenly all Apple makes is watches? Because, according to you, this forum (MacRumors) is devoted to everything concerning it. Is that what you're trying to say? Interesting...

 

[5105973]

Will the watch be successful? Yes. Can it be compared to the success of the iPhone? No.

Some people will just simply not wear a watch, even if it gets rid of cancer.

Actually my friend Shelle is obsessed with the idea that IPhones and IPads along with other brands of tablets and cell phones cause cancer and other health woes. I almost forgot about what her reaction will be when she sees something that looks like a tiny IPad strapped to my wrist. Oh Crap, girlfriend is going to have kittens!

I've been a bit concerned myself about allergic reactions to the metals and plastics involved. I did some research and it seems like Apple went to the effort and expense to use a lot of the same alloys and components considered safe enough for medical applications. For example their zirconium ceramic sounds similar to the material approved for use in dental implants. In their movie on the aluminum they mentioned Magnesium and zinc in the alloy. No nickel, which is a metal notorious for causing allergic reactions. There had been some stories of people getting nasty cases of dermatitis from handling Apple laptops and phones. Tests have revealed nickel in some Apple products but not others. At some point Apple must have reacted to those stories and quietly switched to a different alloy.

Sorry I digressed. Badly.

 

[5105973]

First of all, it's the first generation of this product. Do you know how linked to a computer the first iPhone was? You had to sync it to a computer to put anything on it, to download any updates, etc.. This will become less reliant on the iPhone as time goes on...

Being Apple branded doesn't make it geeky, what makes it geeky in your mind is that it is a smartwatch, which you can't get passed until years down the road when they're common and Apple's is the fashionable watch that it will be.

You don't understand biometric sensors I don't think. Biometric sensors are far and beyond more useful than fitness sensors which is all any wearables do this far. In the future however, wearables will have numerous biosensors tracking extremely important information about one's vitals, as well as other biological, physiological, and kinesiological metrics. It's the future of health, and medicine. It will be extremely useful in preventing and diagnosing disease. You might not get it, understand it, imagine it, or think you need it yet, or in the future, but the future isn't here yet, and you are one person, not everyone (not everyone wants a smartphone, or a cellphone).

Finally, if you don't like the watch, I don't know why you have such interest in it, as to come post on forums specifically devoted to everything concerning it.

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Okay that part in bold is getting too much along the lines of a personal remark. We can not presume to know the extent of any poster's knowledge of biometric sensors. For example I know zilch about them but can extrapolate enough from this forum to make the same statement you just made about them or agree with what you stated. And even my agreement and your statement are merely opinions until it all comes to pass. I've seen enough promise die in my lifetime to temper my hopes.

Secondly, I think we can agree that even people who do not like the Apple Watch have a right to be here and ask questions about it or point out flaws in the concept because it can promote healthy discussion about the product. We surely have the right to protest if they do so in a manner insulting to us as people. Insulting the product or its image is something we can discuss.

Let's just try to avoid remarking on each other as people and make the painful but necessary effort to discuss or debate the statements themselves.

I really don't mean to presume to play moderator but this is a really fascinating thread and I don't want to see it descend into attacks against each other as people. I think everyone here has demonstrated some intelligence and effort and deserves respect even during an airing of opposing viewpoints.

 

[chris975d]

What do your friends think?

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Okay that part in bold is getting too much along the lines of a personal remark. We can not presume to know the extent of any poster's knowledge of biometric sensors. For example I know zilch about them but can extrapolate enough from this forum to make the same statement you just made about them or agree with what you stated. And even my agreement and your statement are merely opinions until it all comes to pass. I've seen enough promise die in my lifetime to temper my hopes.



Secondly, I think we can agree that even people who do not like the Apple Watch have a right to be here and ask questions about it or point out flaws in the concept because it can promote healthy discussion about the product. We surely have the right to protest if they do so in a manner insulting to us as people. Insulting the product or its image is something we can discuss.



Let's just try to avoid remarking on each other as people and make the painful but necessary effort to discuss or debate the statements themselves.



I really don't mean to presume to play moderator but this is a really fascinating thread and I don't want to see it descend into attacks against each other as people. I think everyone here has demonstrated some intelligence and effort and deserves respect even during an airing of opposing viewpoints.

Don't worry about it. If there's one thing I've learned in my years of online experience, for whatever reason, MacRumors Apple fans are some of the worst, if not THE WORST on the Internet at getting defensive and launching personal attacks any time someone dares even criticize Apple. I'm sure many posters in this thread that aren't enamored with the Apple watch can agree. I've seen several of the same posters in this thread attacked in the past few weeks for not jumping in line regarding the Apple watch. But..it is what it is. However, it certainly doesn't help the borderline negative rep that balls-out Apple fans have gotten over the years as being members of a "cult". I know the personal attack can sometimes go either way, but the vast majority of the time it's against the person(s) who don't share the same blind love of everything Apple that is apparently generally required to be a member of this forum.

 

[5105973]

I will worry about it because I think all of us are capable of better behavior than insulting each other personally and causing the discussion to derail and I don't want to see anyone leave a simple online discussion feeling maltreated and disrespected. I have been impressed and engaged in points made on all sides but I'm a bit alarmed that as people grow frustrated that they can't sway someone to agree with them, they will resort to personal attacks.

Just because someone disagrees with my deeply held beliefs and fondest passions, it doesn't make them less than I am in any way. We can't all be or feel or think the same, and as we discuss points we need to remember that, so our emotions don't infect the discussion in a negative way.

It can be a fine line to walk and I've crossed it myself. I don't mean to name and shame someone else for doing it. I just wanted to direct their attention to where their very interesting point veered off into an insult that would totally detract from their point. Okay...back to the topic...

 

[CrAkD]

All my friends and girlfriend think I'm crazy for wanting one. But my girlfriend is willing to use one if I buy it for her. So nice of her lol

 

[5105973]

Lol! i think a lot of people wouldn't mind trying it under such generous terms!

 

[Lucifer666]

All my friends and girlfriend think I'm crazy for wanting one. But my girlfriend is willing to use one if I buy it for her. So nice of her lol

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[fitshaced]

Lol your words have a tone that seem grumpy and that's supposed to be my schtick! I think this product is already diversified to a considerable level more than Apple usually splits up a product line. A work vs play version would be unnecessary when people can add or subtract or ignore or use apps that suit their tastes. It's supposed to be a customizable product.

Okay that's my reply to your on topic remarks

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Now lets nip something in the bud here. I see this on this forum a lot and I do not know why it's allowed to persist, but it's a bad habit of people deriding each other personally instead of remarking on the discussion points of what people are actually writing. I'd imagine I've commited the same faux pas and I should be stopped in my tracks when I do.

Attacking me as a person and my place in this discussion is not civil or productive. You're welcome to refute anything I say, that's to be expected in response to what I posted to you. To say I want something because it's going to be a fun experience does open up the discussion of whether or not it's a balanced and sensible reason to purchase. But to disrespect me as a person by saying in sum total I'm an unbiased person over that remark is uncalled for. The remark may seem unbiased and may be too frivolous to have a place in the discussion or may be open for debate. My character is not. And as long as I observe decorum and forum rules, my place in the discussion is not for you to moderate.

You don't know me or my history beyond what I've posted in snippets here and there. You don't know of the interest I've shown in non Apple products because up to now I saw no point discussing that here. It's more extensive than you'd be able to infer from one anecdote or a few posts in this thread.

Because of my husband's job we are able to bring home a lot of non Apple tablets, phones, wearables, etc. I get to try what interests me before it goes back to the development team. I can't help it if it has been Apple that has held my interest because of their design, quality, smooth integration across device types and generally positive sales and service experience. That's hardly being sucked in. It hardly makes me unbalanced. If anything, exposure to so many non Apple gadgets gives me a wide perspective.

The only time I was unable to articulate a satisfactory reason why I preferred an Apple device to non Apple ones was that whole Zune vs IPod story I related earlier. Granted, that does not reflect well on my intelligence, but it is a snapshot of my history and not the sum total of it. And if you look closer, you'll see that I gave in because I could not articulate the reasons for my preference. And that even though I acknowledged the inferior sound of the iPod/iPhone, it has been the IPhone/iPod music experience that lasted in our home even for my resistant husband. He is totally brand agnostic. His livelihood demands a high level of objectivity.

And by the way my desktop is an HP running Windows 7. Will skip 8. And my MacBook Pro laptop is dual boot so I can run some programs that run well only on Windows. My husband owns a Basis fitness watch he likes a lot.

We can get an idea of what a person is like from posted comments but really we can't know them as a person from them. So it's really not wise to degrade discussions here to remarks about a person. I would not presume to stick a label on you based on anything you posted here. I even just took the effort to specify that your remarks and tone seemed grumpy, not you. I can only judge the tone of the remarks. For all I know you were happy when you wrote them.

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I keep calling it an iWatch myself and my husband keeps correcting me. It will take some getting used to. I wish it were called an iWatch.

I think you're being very sensitive. I didn't attack anyone and I'm certainly not grumpy. This is a discussion forum and discussion should allow for opinion and response. I've only shared my opinion. People will make observations about you throughout your life whether they are correct or wrong. No point in being offended by something like that on here, especially by what I said.

 

[5105973]

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Looks more attractive, true. More thought into products doesn't say anything. If there is something in particular that you think Apple has done to demonstrate that other than it's looks, then explain.

As an exercise to demonstrate to yourself how much you have thought about your own needs first instead of just compulsively deciding to buy an Apple Watch, answer the following:

What are the limitations of the Apple Watch that will mean it's not perfect for your day to day use?

What would make a wrist based device more ideal based on current technologies and standards?

Would I have bought the same looking device with the exact same features if it was made by Samsung?

There are obvious hypotheticals in there but they can still be answered.

Sigh. Regarding the post telling me I'm too sensitive (again with assessments of me as a person) You missed my point. But I won't derail this with further attempts at clarification and defending my personality traits. So moving right along...

You had asked someone very good questions earlier that I've quoted. I do expect to answer some variations on these questions for my friends.

Regarding limitations, well my husband's Basis health tracking watch lasts several days in a charge and can track sleep cycles. With an 18 hour battery life that's not something he or I could do with the Apple Watch. It's also a very large watch I wouldn't want to sleep in anyway. As to why we want that feature, my husband has apnea and wants to know how it impacts his sleep. I have various health conditions and it would help my doctor to know for sure how these are impacting my sleep and vice versa.

I also have questions about how close the phone and watch have to be for certain features to work and how well they will actually synch with each other.

Lack of full waterproofing is a seasonal limitation. I work with ponds and pools in the warm months and have to submerge my hands to maintain filters. It will be annoying having to remove the watch to do that. So full waterproofing would have made the watch more ideal--to answer your other question.

Would I buy essentially the same watch from Samsung? Yes. I have Samsung products and did seriously consider the Note 3 at one point. And there are Samsung components in the Apple Watch. But it would have to work with my IPhone and the Apple ecosystem. I am still at this point in time committed to it. And it would have to be the same watch. I've seen and read about the other smart watches and they're good in their own way. This is what I prefer. For now. I'm not close minded about the future.

 

[eoblaed]

I don't solicit opinions from my friends on what they think of my purchasing decisions, least of all about something personal like a smart watch. Correspondingly, I have exactly zero interest in what they think.

 

[fitshaced]

Sigh. Regarding the post telling me I'm too sensitive (again with assessments of me as a person) You missed my point. But I won't derail this with further attempts at clarification and defending my personality traits. So moving right along...

You had asked someone very good questions earlier that I've quoted. I do expect to answer some variations on these questions for my friends.

Regarding limitations, well my husband's Basis health tracking watch lasts several days in a charge and can track sleep cycles. With an 18 hour battery life that's not something he or I could do with the Apple Watch. It's also a very large watch I wouldn't want to sleep in anyway. As to why we want that feature, my husband has apnea and wants to know how it impacts his sleep. I have various health conditions and it would help my doctor to know for sure how these are impacting my sleep and vice versa.

I also have questions about how close the phone and watch have to be for certain features to work and how well they will actually synch with each other.

Lack of full waterproofing is a seasonal limitation. I work with ponds and pools in the warm months and have to submerge my hands to maintain filters. It will be annoying having to remove the watch to do that. So full waterproofing would have made the watch more ideal--to answer your other question.

Would I buy essentially the same watch from Samsung? Yes. I have Samsung products and did seriously consider the Note 3 at one point. And there are Samsung components in the Apple Watch. But it would have to work with my IPhone and the Apple ecosystem. I am still at this point in time committed to it. And it would have to be the same watch. I've seen and read about the other smart watches and they're good in their own way. This is what I prefer. For now. I'm not close minded about the future.

You said I sound grumpy, I said you seem very sensitive. Glass houses and all that.

The apnea issue is something I had originally considered the Apple Watch for but I don't beleive it will record heart rate unless you are in an activity and will most likely not last for the duration of sleep. They are not very accurate either but maybe more comfortable than a chest strap.