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Is it probably worth waiting on the iPad Pro rather than an iPad Air 2?

Do most of you feel that if sitting in your comfortable chair or couch, the iPad Pro is going to be "the" experience at home over a traditional iPad?

I'm very skeptical about the iPad Pro coming out this year. The rumors and the hype level hasn't reached the stage yet where it feels like a product release is imminent. So if you wait for the iPad Pro, expect to wait a year or more.

And if your use case is sitting back in the couch at home and relaxing with an iPad, then the only feature of the Pro that might affect you is the screen size. And whether or not a bigger screen offers a better experience is iffy. Because yes, a bigger screen is a better screen, but a bigger device is more bulk, so it will be more awkward to handle. Maybe Apple will manage to make an iPad Pro at the same weight as the current Air, but if two devices weighs the same, the smaller one would be more compact and easier to handle. And it's a guarantee that whenever Apple comes out with an iPad Pro, the latest regular iPad released at that time will be lighter. Now, you might think the weight difference doesn't matter because you aren't taking it out of your home. But when you are sitting on the couch, holding an iPad in your hand or resting it on your lap... I think weight matters.

So for some people, bigger screen will be worth the drawbacks of bigger, heavier device. But for others, the current size iPad will be their sweet spot.
 
I've been through this. Look at comment #37
:apple: is already working on fusing OSX and iOS.
I don't think we are there yet, but eventualy we will see one universal OS.

I don't understand how people come up with ideas like "when the keyboardcase is attached"? You don't seriously think that apple is going to creat a frankenstein device life the surface?
 
I don't understand how people come up with ideas like "when the keyboardcase is attached"? You don't seriously think that apple is going to creat a frankenstein device life the surface?

Apple won't keep making laptops forever. I think it's time that the MacBook Air is replaced. This is the point of this device. A lot of people say that they use iPads for the most part, but they still go to PCs for tasks like work and other things. Adding a keyboard case brings a lot of those things into that universe.
It's as Apple says, 'It just works'
 
Apple won't keep making laptops forever. I think it's time that the MacBook Air is replaced. This is the point of this device. A lot of people say that they use iPads for the most part, but they still go to PCs for tasks like work and other things. Adding a keyboard case brings a lot of those things into that universe.
It's as Apple says, 'It just works'
These keyboard cases are atrocious.
What is the problem with using the touch keyboard?

Mark my words: :apple: will never bring out a keyboard-ipad combo like the surface.
 
Apple won't keep making laptops forever. I think it's time that the MacBook Air is replaced. This is the point of this device. A lot of people say that they use iPads for the most part, but they still go to PCs for tasks like work and other things. Adding a keyboard case brings a lot of those things into that universe.
It's as Apple says, 'It just works'

Remember the keyboard dock that Apple made for the original iPad? So yes, Apple did think that people might like to use keyboards with iPads. However, Apple stopped making the dock, and instead of making a keyboard case/cover, they have left the iPad keyboard market to third-party manufacturers. The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with the iPad if you are so inclined, but Apple hasn't made a keyboard specific for the iPad. And it's not like the idea didn't occur to them, it's more that they tried it, and decided that it's not worth it.

Now, why could that be? Well, I'm but a sample of one, but when I got the original iPad, I thought I would use a keyboard with it a lot. I had a bluetooth keyboard that came with a Mac, so I even bought a bag that fit the keyboard + the iPad, in anticipation of carrying both around. But I quickly found that I didn't use the iPad with a physical keyboard. Either I typed on the on-screen keyboard, or if I needed to work on a long document, I went to my desktop or laptop. The iPad is great for getting out a first draft while on the go or sitting on a couch, but for editing large documents, the screen is too small. Anyway, by the time third-party keyboard cases were widely available, I had found that I wasn't interested in them, and I wouldn't be interested in one even if Apple came out with one.

Now, I'm just one user. But I'm inclined to think that Apple decided that users like me is more in the majority of iPad users than users who want keyboards with their iPad, and that is why they don't make keyboards for iPads anymore.

And this mythical iPad Pro people imagine sounds to me more like a MacBook Air with touch screen and detachable keyboard than a souped up iPad. And the only reason I can think of that it isn't feasible to own both a Mac and iPad and use whichever device best fit the task is to save on cost. Otherwise, what is wrong with having a specific device for one thing, and another device for another thing?
 
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These keyboard cases are atrocious.
What is the problem with using the touch keyboard?

Mark my words: :apple: will never bring out a keyboard-ipad combo like the surface.

If you asked MacBook owners why they chose a laptop over a tablet, a lot would probably say that they would prefer to have a physical keyboard and an accurate pointer. It's part of what makes this an all-in-one device.
 
If you asked MacBook owners why they chose a laptop over a tablet, a lot would probably say that they would prefer to have a physical keyboard and an accurate pointer. It's part of what makes this an all-in-one device.

Yes, that's true as far as that goes. But why would those people want a tablet, then? Wouldn't they be just happy with a MacBook only?

An all-in-one device just doesn't make much sense to me.
 
Remember the keyboard dock that Apple made for the original iPad? So yes, Apple did think that people might like to use keyboards with iPads. However, Apple stopped making the dock, and instead of making a keyboard case/cover, they have left the iPad keyboard market to third-party manufacturers. The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with the iPad if you are so inclined, but Apple hasn't made a keyboard specific for the iPad. And it's not like the idea didn't occur to them, it's more that they tried it, and decided that it's not worth it.

Now, why could that be? Well, I'm but a sample of one, but when I got the original iPad, I thought I would use a keyboard with it a lot. I had a bluetooth keyboard that came with a Mac, so I even bought a bag that fit the keyboard + the iPad, in anticipation of carrying both around. But I quickly found that I didn't use the iPad with a physical keyboard. Either I typed on the on-screen keyboard, or if I needed to work on a long document, I went to my desktop or laptop. The iPad is great for getting out a first draft while on the go or sitting on a couch, but for editing large documents, the screen is too small. Anyway, by the time third-party keyboard cases were widely available, I had found that I wasn't interested in them, and I wouldn't be interested in one even if Apple came out with one.

Now, I'm just one user. But I'm inclined to think that Apple decided that users like me is more in the majority of iPad users than users who want keyboards with their iPad, and that is why they don't make keyboards for iPads anymore.

And this mythical iPad Pro people imagine sounds to me more like a MacBook Air with touch screen and detachable keyboard than a souped up iPad. And the only reason I can think of that it isn't feasible to own both a Mac and iPad and use whichever device best fit the task is to save on cost. Otherwise, what is wrong with having a specific device for one thing, and another device for another thing?

Things have changed since 2010. Then, laptops and tablets were two completely different categories of devices. Now companies have nearly branched the gap between them. Apple, by doing this, will probably complete it.
 
If you asked MacBook owners why they chose a laptop over a tablet, a lot would probably say that they would prefer to have a physical keyboard and an accurate pointer. It's part of what makes this an all-in-one device.
I am a macbook owner. :)

I have a couple of iPads, an iPhone, Macs and several other computers.

I know about the advantages of a physical keyboard, but it doesn't make any sense with a tablet.
 
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Otherwise, what is wrong with having a specific device for one thing, and another device for another thing?

The iPad doesn't sell enough. It's simply too specific. Just check how the sales have been falling, how slowly people update their devices (if they update at all), etc.

IMO, a bigger screen size wouldn't change this. The iPad is limited mostly by a poor iOS, that is basically the iPhone iOS on a bigger screen. This is ill-suited for a productivity device, but just using the Mac interface wouldn't work either.

What I think is going to happen is that Apple will release an iPad with a bigger screen just so people have a more tangible reason to upgrade, but will keep the same broken iOS (including folders displaying up to nine icons only...). Simply because they don't know how to do anything better.
 
What I think is going to happen is that Apple will release an iPad with a bigger screen just so people have a more tangible reason to upgrade, but will keep the same broken iOS (including folders displaying up to nine icons only...). Simply because they don't know how to do anything better.

iPad folders before iOS 7 used to have 16 icons. So Apple does know how to do things "better," at least as far as folders are concerned. ;)

I do think it's stupid to have just 9 icons in iPad folders. But in general, I'm satisfied with iOS on the iPad. I know I definitely don't want OS X on my iPad. What I really like is what Apple is doing with Continuity, like how I can start working on a document in Pages for iPad, then keep working on it in Pages on a Mac, then go back to the iPad again. That's what I really want, to be able to work on a document on whichever device I happen to have. It's irrelevant if the devices all run on the same OS, as long as I can work seamlessly on the same document on all my devices.

As for iPad sales slowing down, and Apple making a bigger iPad just to increase sales, regardless of whether such a device is truly useful -- well, that is the day Apple betrays its fundamental philosophy, and becomes just another tech company.
 
I hope they just do a 12 mba retina. Last thing I wanna see while on vacation are people taking pictures with a 12 inch iPad smh

If you get bothered on vacation by people taking pics with an iPad then you're having a terrible vacation
 
If you get bothered on vacation by people taking pics with an iPad then you're having a terrible vacation


It's not that it bothers me it's more like realizing how dumb people are. They have iPhones and Galaxy smartphones with much better cameras yet they use an iPad. See it in Vegas all the time
 
It's not that it bothers me it's more like realizing how dumb people are. They have iPhones and Galaxy smartphones with much better cameras yet they use an iPad. See it in Vegas all the time

I see it also and I wouldn't ever do it myself but if they want to take pics with a giant screen over a phone who are you to call them dumb? They're not hurting anyone
 
How are you going to hold such a big device? Or are you going to use kickstand? Good luck reaching the upper corners without seeing a physician for shoulder and neck injuries afterwards.
 
Exactly. I'm asking for a MacBook Air with a touch screen, plus all the stuff that iOS uses to it's advantage, for the same or less money

I'm also expecting an ultra thin MacBook later on with the stuff that the MacBook Pro has, at 12 or 15 inches, for the same price points as the MacBook Air.

I'm sorry, but every time I read this post I have to laugh at you. MacBook Air + touch screen = ModBook.
 
You must be s very small person

Yes, I happen to be kind of short. I already often get stuck behind taller people at concerts and theaters, and find myself having to crane my neck to see the stage. I hate to think how much worse it will be if that person was holding up an iPad!
 
MacBook Air + touch screen = ModBook.

Not sure what your point is. Yes, the poster you are responding to wants what is in effect a ModBook, but right now, that is an after-market modification that costs quite a lot more than a regular MacBook. Nothing wrong with wanting Apple to offer one directly, and hopefully cheaper than the ModBook.

However, it does seem somewhat silly to want BOTH an iPad Pro and a touch enabled MacBook Air. Every time I read people's descriptions of these two theoretical devices, I keep thinking, "But aren't they the same device?" The only difference I can think of is maybe the touch MBA doesn't have a detachable keyboard. But really, if Apple does make a touch MBA, why wouldn't they make the keyboard detachable? And if the keyboard is detachable, then it is the iPad Pro many people are asking for. So why would Apple make two devices when one would do?
 
I'm sorry, but every time I read this post I have to laugh at you. MacBook Air + touch screen = ModBook.

The ModBook is just a MacBook and touch. I don't really want that. I want it to be more like an iPad. I did mention iOS, and the ModBook still runs OS X. Not to mention that the ModBook is expensive.
 
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