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What will you do if you need to replace your MBP but Apple is not releasing a new one at WWDC?

  • Continue to wait

    Votes: 185 47.6%
  • Just buy what they have right now even the keyboard has issue and they are one year old machines

    Votes: 49 12.6%
  • Go for a Windows laptop

    Votes: 75 19.3%
  • Turn to Hackintosh

    Votes: 11 2.8%
  • Others

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Others

    Votes: 4 1.0%
  • Go to a temple and become a monk for a year. Then, come back and check.

    Votes: 56 14.4%

  • Total voters
    389
It's been years now of Apple not introducing new laptop/desktop class hardware with any regularity and when they do, it's old tech and over priced. It's been time to move on for a while if you want the latest and greatest at a fair price.

Sorry, and how is that different for any other maker? Nvidia Pascal series are now over two years old for example, so all these new laptops using Nvidia graphics are essentially using 2 year old tech as well. CPU situation is similar, since Intel has basically kept the same architecture (Skylake) with minor improvements for over two years as they are seeing considerable troubles with newer chips production.

In addition, Apple's problem is that they traditionally rely on higher-tier Intel CPUs (with higher-end GPU package), but Intel has been slow in delivering those. The Kaby Lake R (which is nothing more but a 45W CPU reconfigured for less energy consumption) comes with the Iris 620 GPU thats up to 50% slower than the Iris Plus 650 Apple uses for their dual core CPUs. Similar story was with their 2016 model — Skylake with Iris Pro never had high enough availability so they had to wait until better GPU options were available. All in all, its difficult to introduce new hardware with regularity if there is nothing on the market to replace it with. Don't forget that Apple needs higher volumes of the components as well — since they sell more of a certain laptop model than most other laptop makers, while using premium components. Other makers, say, Dell, might sell more computers overall, but most of those will be budget versions that can use cheaper and more readily available hardware (like i3-class CPUs). Its easier for Dell to source high-end CPUs if they only sell a handful of workstations using those CPUs. Apple in contrast needs a steady supply of very high volumes of those chips.

And finally, if you are referring to Coffee Lake, well, those CPUs only really became available around two weeks ago, despite launch in March. My hope is that Apple updates their line coming Monday, although industry sources say this is unlikely.
 
I have waited for 2.5 years already. All work are behind as my current MBP 2010 is dying (e.g. fan sounds like a vacuum clearer even immediately after a fresh restart and sometimes crazy lags as I type). I need to think what to do if Apple does not release a new MBP with improved keyboard in June. What do you plan to do if you need to replace your machine but Apple will not release it at WWDC this year?
I know what i’d do because I just did it a few days ago - buy a new Macbook Pro 2015 with the specs
i want . Apple still sells them in the Apple store . I ordered the Macbook Pro 15” 2015 with 2.5ghz cpu , 16gb RAM , and. 512gb ssd .

problem solved !!
 
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I know what i’d do because I just did it a few days ago - buy a new Macbook Pro 2015 with the specs
i want . Apple still sells them in the Apple store . I ordered the Macbook Pro 15” 2015 with 2.5ghz cpu , 16gb RAM , and. 512gb ssd .

problem solved !!
That’s probably exactly the MBP I’ll get too, then wait it out until Apple releases a 32GB six-core MBP. Upgrading to Thunderbolt 3/USB-C when I’m more likely to need it suits me better anyway.
 
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I know what i’d do because I just did it a few days ago - buy a new Macbook Pro 2015 with the specs
i want . Apple still sells them in the Apple store . I ordered the Macbook Pro 15” 2015 with 2.5ghz cpu , 16gb RAM , and. 512gb ssd .

problem solved !!

I need Thunderbolt 3.
[doublepost=1527978576][/doublepost]I just tried out the Huawei MateBook Pro X. It is such a beauty. Thin and light. Keyboard is much better than the 2017 MBP's and the screen is excellent . The MBP is no match to this laptop. Apple should feel shame. How come Chinese company not majoring in computers can make such an excellent product but Apple can’t? Problem is that it is way in back order with no ETA and there are concerns about Chinese spying using their products. Otherwise, I would have just bought it.
 
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Apple products are also made in China. Why we don't have to worry about Apple products but Huawei's products?

They are manufactured in China, they are not designed or tested in China.

What I find quite funny about this discussion is why we are supposed to be wary of Chinese products but at the same time have no reservations in using USA, a country where meddling in foreign affairs is traditional part of the national culture ;)
 
They are manufactured in China, they are not designed or tested in China.

What I find quite funny about this discussion is why we are supposed to be wary of Chinese products but at the same time have no reservations in using USA, a country where meddling in foreign affairs is traditional part of the national culture ;)

So they won't secretly put in very small component during the manufacturing of Apple products to spy on users?

If you find Huawei's products useful to your work, would you buy from them?

Considering that they are not computer company, I am impressed by their laptop.
 
The new iMacs aren't exactly getting shiny reviews either.
How so? Do you have link?

I'm not in the market but over in the iMac forum, people seem to be buying them over the non-pro iMac even though it seems some of those buyers don't fit the customer profile, i.e., not really professionals it seems
 
If Apple does not release a new MBP with improved keyboard on tomorrow, what suggestion do you have? After replacing the thermal paste, my 2010 17" has crazy fan issue again. The bottom is also super hot. Need to get a new laptop. Windows laptops with 8th gen CPU that I am interested in all have heat issues. Although there are so many choices, none seems to be well made without issue.
[doublepost=1528026645][/doublepost]I used my MBP for about 10 minutes and the skin of my lap already turned red due to the heat.
 
If Apple does not release a new MBP with improved keyboard on tomorrow
They won't be, you might as well embrace the idea that WWDC going to be software. In fact last year's hardware announcement was the exception, the last 4 or 5 WWDCs had no hardware.
what suggestion do you have?
The same models that people have been recommending to you for seems like months. Lenovo, Dell, Asus, HP, Razer.

I used my MBP for about 10 minutes and the skin of my lap already turned red due to the heat.
Aside from being too hot on your lap, what temps are your getting? Apple and others do not recommend it on your lap because all laptops get hot, if anything I recommend a lap desk if you want to use it on your lap.
 
They won't be, you might as well embrace the idea that WWDC going to be software. In fact last year's hardware announcement was the exception, the last 4 or 5 WWDCs had no hardware.

The same models that people have been recommending to you for seems like months. Lenovo, Dell, Asus, HP, Razer.


Aside from being too hot on your lap, what temps are your getting? Apple and others do not recommend it on your lap because all laptops get hot, if anything I recommend a lap desk if you want to use it on your lap.

For Lenovo, I am interested in the Carbon X1, T and P series but from the user forums, they all have thermal issues. Similarly, Dell and Razer users complain about the heat with Razer users in addition complain about the customer services and reliability issues. Asus laptops have no HDMI 2.0 to drive my 4K TV at 60Hz and HP chat agent told me that they don't have a laptop with HDMI 2.0 and 1TB SSD.
 
they all have thermal issues
Please define thermal issuesl. What do you mean, are Lenovos and Dells throttling, and under what circumstances? What temps are they incurring that has you worried?

Razer users complain about the heat
Actually most of the new owners seem very happy with the termal management. The Razer is a gaming 6 core thin laptop and its going to get hot. You're going to run close to 70c and up. You can undervolt it to keep the temps in the 70s, and not get into the 90s. If you look at their forums, it seems the majority of new owners (as few as they are at the moment) seem very happy with the thermal management.
David Lee's review (I love his reviews), mentions the heat but as he pushes it in gaming he states it doesn't get to the point of throttling and undervolting a bit makes a huge difference.

Razer users in addition complain about the customer services and reliability issues
Actually word on their forums has been very positve with their CS recently. I'm not making excuses for them but it seems Razer has made a concerted effort to improve their customer support.

You seem to be out of options then. You find things wrong with every laptop being recommend, even Apple's. I'm not sure what you should do since you're unhappy with all available options ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

I will say there is no such as a perfect laptop, but I've been happy computers from Microsoft Dell, HP. I found both MS and Dell's tech support to be more then adaquate and I think Dell rates #2 right behind Apple.
 
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Please define thermal issuesl. What do you mean, are Lenovos and Dells throttling, and under what circumstances? What temps are they incurring that has you worried?


Actually most of the new owners seem very happy with the termal management. The Razer is a gaming 6 core thin laptop and its going to get hot. You're going to run close to 70c and up. You can undervolt it to keep the temps in the 70s, and not get into the 90s. If you look at their forums, it seems the majority of new owners (as few as they are at the moment) seem very happy with the thermal management.
David Lee's review (I love his reviews), mentions the heat but as he pushes it in gaming he states it doesn't get to the point of throttling and undervolting a bit makes a huge difference.


Actually word on their forums has been very positve with their CS recently. I'm not making excuses for them but it seems Razer has made a concerted effort to improve their customer support.

You seem to be out of options then. You find things wrong with every laptop being recommend, even Apple's. I'm not sure what you should do since you're unhappy with all available options ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

I will say there is no such as a perfect laptop, but I've been happy computers from Microsoft Dell, HP. I found both MS and Dell's tech support to be more then adaquate and I think Dell rates #2 right behind Apple.


They wrote that their laptops have heat and noisy fan issues. Yes, Dell is rated #2 now. I read that Razer is "trying" to improve their customer services. When I tried a Razer yesterday, the system hang. No mouse cursor movement nor acceptance of key press.
 
They wrote that their laptops have heat and noisy fan issues
What do you see on reviews, not their forums but reviews? Forums can be a helpful tool, but you also have to keep in mind, that most people who visit a forum (even here at MR) are more likely to post problems. I'm not defending Lenovo, or Dell but rather point out if you want a more robust picture of a product you need to rely on other piece of information. Also I would recommend is find a laptop that fits your needs like Dell or Lenovo and try it out. They all offer money back guarantees, so instead of relying on strangers in an internet forum, see for yourself.
 
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They won't be, you might as well embrace the idea that WWDC going to be software. In fact last year's hardware announcement was the exception, the last 4 or 5 WWDCs had no hardware.
Not true. In 2013 they announced the new Mac Pro and MacBook Air.
 
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The clock seems to be running so slow today. I just want to see the announcements and get over it. If Apple is not going to release new MBP with improved keyboard nor IPP, I just give up this company as long as TC is still in charge.
 
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The clock seems to be running so slow today. I just want to see the announcements and get over it. If Apple is not going to release new MBP with improved keyboard nor IPP, I just give up this company as long as TC is still in charge.

They won’t be announcing new MacBooks at the keynote Mark Gurman confirmed this so I really wouldn’t get your hope up.

Your over expectations are not Apple’s fault, not to be funny here but they haven’t promised anything for WWDC. I

Get what you mean tho as I’m waiting for new MacBook updates but I’m not going to be mad at Apple if they don’t announce at WWDC as they haven’t confirmed or committed to anything.
 
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They won’t be announcing new MacBooks at the keynote Mark Gurman confirmed this so I really wouldn’t get your hope up.

Your over expectations are not Apple’s fault, not to be funny here but they haven’t promised anything for WWDC. I

Get what you mean tho as I’m waiting for new MacBook updates but I’m not going to be mad at Apple if they don’t announce at WWDC as they haven’t confirmed or committed to anything.

Is Mark Gurman kind of spokesperson for Apple? I don't know him.
 
I think this is one of Apple's dirty tricks to make us buy old products at high price.
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Unfortunately I have 2010 MBP. It cannot even connect to my 4K TV at any resolutions. Tried it with Moshi mindisplayport to HMDI adapter yesterday.
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Lucky you.

This makes no sense. Companies don't cripple new products to try and make people buy old ones.
 
He’s one of the most reliable leakers, he has inside people so it’s about as reliable as you can get from a leaker.

So unless Apple uses him to give us a surprise on tomorrow, the chance is zero.

Perhaps time to form a fellowship to go to a temple with the other 37 voters.
 
Apple don’t use him, he has insiders who give him information every now and then. He’s predicted no Mac’s or iPad’s at WWDC this year he has mentioned software.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...tal-health-ar-features-at-software-conference
It’s possible Apple do slip him ‘official’ leaks though, indeed he may be none the wiser to this himself... it’s a bit of crafty expectation management to reduce the undue hype that ends up being disappointed, and ensure people know when to get excited (or when Apple feel they should be anyway ;))
 
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It’s possible Apple do slip him ‘official’ leaks though, indeed he may be none the wiser to this himself... it’s a bit of crafty expectation management to reduce the undue hype that ends up being disappointed, and ensure people know when to get excited (or when Apple feel they should be anyway ;))

That’s true, I think they do like to manage hype. It’s possible that if they don’t mention the Mac updates at tomorrow’s keynote then they could do a silent update (especially if it’s just a couple of spec updates) but my guess is an October keynote with both Mac and new iPad Pro, September will be iPhone and Apple Watch so I can’t see them packing it all in to that keynote.
 
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