What if Apple does not release a new MBP at WWDC in June?

[macintoshmac]

What if Apple does not release a new MBP at WWDC in June?

I think all hell will break loose if Apple does not release a new laptop this fall. A certain Korean might start a world war. China might rule the world. Like I said, all hell will break loose and the world as we know it shall be no more. That is, until Apple then releases a laptop either early 2019 or mid 2019, when the balance of life will be restored.
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It would take quite a course correction by Apple to pry me off of my 2015 15" MBP.

They were complete mobile portables. Having all ports and slots needed. That said, for my usage, I like the 2016 MBP primarily because of the speed boost that the storage received. USB-C is working fine with me, no dongles, because I just replaced the cables I needed. I would have loved to have the Secure Digital slot and the HDMI slot, but so far I have not had an occasion where I missed either. I have a card reader anyway. The display is beautiful when compared to my 2011 15" MBP and the keyboard itself is pretty good, for me. I, for one, can type equally comfortably on both my 2011 and 2016 MBPs. No errors due to the keyboard. Any error I make on the old one I make on the new one, that is on me.

 

[Webster's Mac]

I have waited for 2.5 years already. All work are behind as my current MBP 2010 is dying (e.g. fan sounds like a vacuum clearer even immediately after a fresh restart and sometimes crazy lags as I type). I need to think what to do if Apple does not release a new MBP with improved keyboard in June. What do you plan to do if you need to replace your machine but Apple will not release it at WWDC this year?

2010 is still a decent machine. Whether or not they announce new models, I would take the bottom cover off of your current one (use an iFixit guide to help) and clean the dust out with compressed air. Then, if it's still loud and laggy, reset SMC as well: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201295.
That should buy you some time on your current one. If it starts to run a lot better, drop some more RAM and an SSD into it and it'll work wonders!
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Among those who would go for a Windows laptop, which do you recommend? I cannot find one that can drive external display at 4K@60Hz.

XPS 15 maybe. Haven't looked into whether it can drive external displays at 4k 60hz but i know it is powerful enough to drive an internal display at 4k.

 

[dogslobber]

I have waited for 2.5 years already. All work are behind as my current MBP 2010 is dying (e.g. fan sounds like a vacuum clearer even immediately after a fresh restart and sometimes crazy lags as I type). I need to think what to do if Apple does not release a new MBP with improved keyboard in June. What do you plan to do if you need to replace your machine but Apple will not release it at WWDC this year?

You can still buy 2018 builds of the 2015 MBP. Nobody is being forced to buy the broken keyboard models.

 

[robvas]

Among those who would go for a Windows laptop, which do you recommend? I cannot find one that can drive external display at 4K@60Hz.

Dell XPS, Lenovo T series, HP Envy...

 

[hajime]

You can still buy 2018 builds of the 2015 MBP. Nobody is being forced to buy the broken keyboard models.

But it has 3 years less lifespan because each new version of Mac OS can support MBP of certain years old?

 

[Webster's Mac]

But it has 3 years less lifespan because each new version of Mac OS can support MBP of certain years old?

Apple is still supporting the 2010 Macbook Pro...it will be a long while before the 2015 is discontinued from getting the latest OS. Plus, each OS gets 2 years of security/Safari/iTunes updates.I'd say it has another 4 years atleast +2 years of security support. 6 years minimum. But it will most likely be supported longer than that, especially if Apple doesn't drop any models this year due to the OS being a minor, refinement release.

 

[ocnitsa]

Thanks. Just to double check. Do you mean this?

https://www.amazon.ca/Thermal-Paste...392&sr=8-1&keywords=mx-4+thermal+paste+arctic

Each day the first thing I hear after turning on the MBP is the crazy loud fan noise. This morning, when I turned it off, I could hear the sound of the birds. So I guess it is pretty loud. Now I even hear addition grinding sounds from the computer. Sounds like the computer is going to be in critical condition.

What will happen if I don't apply the paste? Will it run crazy hot to the point that the components got burnt down?

I used the Kryonaut Grizzly...I heard it was better than Arctic Silver (which is fine, too, though).

What will happen is up if you don't is up for grabs...depending on what the issue really is. The reason I would do it is because it's a cheap option to potentially make your computer more tolerable to use for a temporary period of time until you migrate to something that allows you to use the 4k you've grown accustomed to. While you are in there, you can use a little compressed air on the fans to make sure there is no dust in there.

Theoretically, your fans are running high because of high temperatures and the computer is slow because the OS is slowing down the CPU so it doesn't work so hard and get so hot. If it gets to a temperature that is dangerous for the components, it should automatically turn off.

If the thermal paste fixes the problem, what you'll notice is that the fans don't run on high unless you are doing something cpu/gpu intensive and the cpu won't throttle (slow down) for normal stuff like browsing and such.

But, if it seems like too much of a hassle, you could just put up with the machine as it is and limp towards June with the hope that they release a decent MBP...or buy a 2015 model, like people have said. If for some reason you do buy a 2017, I'd be sure to get Apple care.

 

[jerryk]

What will happen if I don't apply the paste? Will it run crazy hot to the point that the components got burnt down?

The purpose of thermal paste is to assist in the heat transfer between 2 surfaces even though the contact between those two surfaces is not perfect. The surfaces in question are the top of the CPU (or GPU) and a heat sink. The paste fills those differences and helps to ensure the heat transfer occurs. So by not putting on thermal paste you can reduce the effectiveness of the disposal of excess heat via the heat sinks, which may require your fans to run faster to bring temperatures down to acceptable levels.
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But it has 3 years less lifespan because each new version of Mac OS can support MBP of certain years old?

Apple is pretty good about supporting older systems. For a 2015, they will probably support if for a considerable number of years. The only issue is if Apple moves away from Intel powered systems to their own chips. Then I would expect Apple to drop support for Intel based systems as soon as they legally can, and even before then they might have Apple processor only features.

 

[Webster's Mac]

I used the Kryonaut Grizzly...I heard it was better than Arctic Silver (which is fine, too, though).

What will happen is up if you don't is up for grabs...depending on what the issue really is. The reason I would do it is because it's a cheap option to potentially make your computer more tolerable to use for a temporary period of time until you migrate to something that allows you to use the 4k you've grown accustomed to. While you are in there, you can use a little compressed air on the fans to make sure there is no dust in there.

Theoretically, your fans are running high because of high temperatures and the computer is slow because the OS is slowing down the CPU so it doesn't work so hard and get so hot. If it gets to a temperature that is dangerous for the components, it should automatically turn off.

If the thermal paste fixes the problem, what you'll notice is that the fans don't run on high unless you are doing something cpu/gpu intensive and the cpu won't throttle (slow down) for normal stuff like browsing and such.

But, if it seems like too much of a hassle, you could just put up with the machine as it is and limp towards June with the hope that they release a decent MBP...or buy a 2015 model, like people have said. If for some reason you do buy a 2017, I'd be sure to get Apple care.

Isn't the grizzly liquid metal? If so, while it is very conductive and will significantly lower temps compared to other thermal pastes, it also corrodes the copper heatsink. The OP should just use AS5 or MX-4. It's good enough nd should buy him some time. But before he goes tearing into it to repaste (as someone who works on Macs, this is an involved job), he should simply clean the fans and heatsinks out with compressed air and reset the SMC. That could work wonders, without tearing it apart.
[doublepost=1526915159][/doublepost]Here's a forum thread on TechPowerUp about Liquid Metal: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ntegrated-heat-spreader-copper-nickel.229039/

 

[hajime]

Apple is still supporting the 2010 Macbook Pro...it will be a long while before the 2015 is discontinued from getting the latest OS. Plus, each OS gets 2 years of security/Safari/iTunes updates.I'd say it has another 4 years atleast +2 years of security support. 6 years minimum. But it will most likely be supported longer than that, especially if Apple doesn't drop any models this year due to the OS being a minor, refinement release.

By support, you mean software support? I took my 2010 MBP to a store last year. They did a test on my computer but told me that they have no more replacement parts for this old computer. In terms of hardware, how many years do they still offer repairing?

 

[Webster's Mac]

By support, you mean software support? I took my 2010 MBP to a store last year. They did a test on my computer but told me that they have no more replacement parts for this old computer. In terms of hardware, how many years do they still offer repairing?

Sorry, I was talking about software (operating system) support.

 

[hajime]

Isn't the grizzly liquid metal? If so, while it is very conductive and will significantly lower temps compared to other thermal pastes, it also corrodes the copper heatsink. The OP should just use AS5 or MX-4. It's good enough nd should buy him some time. But before he goes tearing into it to repaste (as someone who works on Macs, this is an involved job), he should simply clean the fans and heatsinks out with compressed air and reset the SMC. That could work wonders, without tearing it apart.
[doublepost=1526915159][/doublepost]Here's a forum thread on TechPowerUp about Liquid Metal: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...ntegrated-heat-spreader-copper-nickel.229039/

Thanks. I have cleared the fans and reset the SMC already. When I opened the computer, it was surprisingly clean. No big dust. I guess the only option now is to apply the thermal paste. This computer is driving me crazy because of the noise, heat and pauses even when typing now.

 

[Webster's Mac]

Thanks. I have cleared the fans and reset the SMC already.

Does it run better? Or is it still running fans at full blast?

 

[hajime]

The purpose of thermal paste is to assist in the heat transfer between 2 surfaces even though the contact between those two surfaces is not perfect. The surfaces in question are the top of the CPU (or GPU) and a heat sink. The paste fills those differences and helps to ensure the heat transfer occurs. So by not putting on thermal paste you can reduce the effectiveness of the disposal of excess heat via the heat sinks, which may require your fans to run faster to bring temperatures down to acceptable levels.
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I supposed Apple applied thermal paste when they made the computer So, over time, the paste runs out and we need to re-apply?
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Does it run better? Or is it still running fans at full blast?

No improvement. Getting worse over time.
[doublepost=1526916327][/doublepost]Even typing has lots of lags and the fan noise is really annoying. I may need to go to a mental hospital before WWDC.

 

[Webster's Mac]

I supposed Apple applied thermal paste when they made the computer So, over time, the paste runs out and we need to re-apply?
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No improvement. Getting worse over time.
[doublepost=1526916327][/doublepost]Even typing has lots of lags and the fan noise is really annoying. I may need to go to a mental hospital before WWDC.

Sounds like a repaste is in order, then. That should help a lot. While it is normal for Macbook Pros to run quite hot under load, it shouldn't be running that hot *all* the time. Is there anything using significant CPU time in Activity monitor?
[doublepost=1526917165][/doublepost]And the reason why you re-apply thermal paste is because either:

A) the manufacturer uses subpar paste
B) the old thermal paste dried out
C) too much thermal paste was applied
D) all of the above (which is the case on some Macbooks)

It doesn't "run out" per say, it has nowhere to go and it is way too thick to "flow" out of the space where it is. Thermal paste generally dries or hardens over time, it doesn't get softer.

 

[hajime]

It doesn't "run out" per say, it has nowhere to go and it is way too thick to "flow" out of the space where it is. Thermal paste generally dries or hardens over time, it doesn't get softer.

So it is like poop poop being dropped on the streets?

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You can still buy 2018 builds of the 2015 MBP. Nobody is being forced to buy the broken keyboard models.

From the specs, it seems to support 4K at only 24Hz rather than 60Hz? Is this the one you are talking about?

https://www.apple.com/ca/macbook-pro/specs-2015/

It looks like it supports only Thunderbolt 2 rather than 3.

 

[Webster's Mac]

So it is like poop poop being dropped on the streets?

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From the specs, it seems to support 4K at only 24Hz rather than 60Hz? Is this the one you are talking about?

https://www.apple.com/ca/macbook-pro/specs-2015/

It looks like it supports only Thunderbolt 2 rather than 3.

Are you a 5 year old?

 

[haydn!]

The 2015 MacBook Pro model in 2018 is not a good buy. In fact it’s a rip-off in the UK. It’s currently on sale for £250 more today than it was in 2015 when it was released. Anyone in the UK that buys it now brand new needs to give their head a little wobble.

 

[redheeler]

The 2015 MacBook Pro model in 2018 is not a good buy. In fact it’s a rip-off in the UK. It’s currently on sale for £250 more today than it was in 2015 when it was released. Anyone in the UK that buys it now brand new needs to give their head a little wobble.

It takes courage to raise the price of previous-generation hardware when everyone else would lower it. That is truly thinking different.

But seriously, the value-for-money of new MacBook Pros has hit an all-time low. At the very least Apple needs to drop the price of the TouchBar models and introduce a better keyboard which is hopefully already being tested.

 

[jerryk]

I supposed Apple applied thermal paste when they made the computer So, over time, the paste runs out and we need to re-apply?

It does move a bit which is why you do not want to put on any more than you need. Unless you want to clean it off components on your main board. But that usual happens when you initially apply it.

The bigger issue is it dries out over time and losses it ability conduct heat from the CPU/GPU to the heatsink.
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But seriously, the value-for-money of new MacBook Pros has hit an all-time low. At the very least Apple needs to drop the price of the TouchBar models and introduce a better keyboard which is hopefully already being tested.

Remember, the keyboard was a variant of the design on that had been on the MacBook for over a year. So it was "tested". And many people that tested the keyboard on the MacBook hated it.

I think Apple just does what they want and says "you are typing wrong, or "your fingers are wrong, and here is a new middle finger for you".

 

[lJoSquaredl]

I have a 2015 15" MBP. I can wait until Apple produces something with more power, and a reliable keyboard

I have a 2016 MBP and am considering going BACK to a 2015 model lol

 

[jerryk]

I have a 2016 MBP and am considering going BACK to a 2015 model lol

That bad?

 

[dogslobber]

From the specs, it seems to support 4K at only 24Hz rather than 60Hz? Is this the one you are talking about?

https://www.apple.com/ca/macbook-pro/specs-2015/

It looks like it supports only Thunderbolt 2 rather than 3.

I'd rather have a working keyboard than worry about 4K displays.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I'd rather have a working keyboard than worry about 4K displays.

Agrreed - Besides, tthinkk how annoying to have skippppping lettterrs shoing uup in 4kk

 

[leman]

They were complete mobile portables. Having all ports and slots needed.

Were they though? Having video adapters was always mandatory for me when traveling for work, since many places still only offer a VGA/DVI connections. Nothing has really changed in this regard with the 2016 model... the amount of dongles I carry around is still the same, but in total I need to carry less weight and volume, which helps.