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What is "Jailbreak Monte" and Why do you care...
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I have my iPhone4 jailbroken on 4.2.1 tethered. I have 4.2b3 SHSH's saved but I don't have a copy of the firmware. How am I suppose to untether without the firmware?
Maverick1337
macrumors 65816
You can only have access to 4.2b3 ipsw if you're an official developer (the $100 program). However, many people have just pirated the ipsw because it's all over the internet. The Dev-Team asks nicely not to do it and have made the program for Mac only to counter piracy (if you own a PC you def. aren't in the program b/c it's Mac only). That's how people are doing it.
Applejuiced
macrumors Westmere
Maybe a better way to put it is "if your only computer is a PC then you're definitely not an iPhone developer."
I have a MBP. I really appreciate what the dev team does, but they're not exactly helping with pirating issues by making it impossible to untether jailbreak with out getting a copy of firmware only developers have.
Sedrick
macrumors 68030
Why would the Dev-Team care how you came about the ipsw file? Doesn't effect them either way. They have their notice about not pirating the ipsw so they aren't seen as condoning piracy.
ulbador
macrumors 68000
As mentioned before they are trying to do this with the 4.1 SHSH so that this will no longer be the case.
Applejuiced
macrumors Westmere
NoStopN
macrumors 6502
An untethered jailbreak is coming. Typically, it's made to be as user friendly as possible. Those of us who are non-jailbreakers could easily brick a phone. The dev team is practically preparing a product & then acting as quality control so that we may enjoy our experience. Geohot did the same when he was in the scene. Any jailbreaker who wants to be taken seriously will do the same. Just keep your shorts on. I personally don't upgrade my Apple firmware until I know that an untethered jailbreak is out for my phone. I don't miss 4.2 yet, because my iPad has 4.2.1. 😛 I just tried a tethered jailbreak for my iPad (first tethered JB). It's not bad. I don't turn off the Pad, which I don't do for the phone either. The only time when it might be a problem on the phone is with MyWi 4.0. It occasionally asks for a reboot of the phone. It does allow you the option to reboot later. Tethered JB is better than no JB to some people.
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That is part of the GeoHot's Fans Clubs rules, always make no points at all on any thread about new jailbreake and make sure everyone idolized GeoHots, and as you know by now we got the Club's President on board. 😀
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CZK, Maybe you should look up the term "open source" and read up a bit. ENTIRE OPERATING SYSTEMS are free out there (think linux for one), mostly developed by people who just want to better the software for everyone.
I, myself, work a full-time IT job supporting corporate servers. But in my free time I also write and distribute programs FOR FREE just for the sake of helping other people fill the same need I had. I know i'll never get any money for what I do, but it's not about that. If I knew how i'd probly work on the iPhone too. But since i'm not a hacker like the Dev-Team I went the only route I could and instead wrote an elaborate, FREE, script to run in linux that will not only back up your iPhone, but also fully restore it after updating firmware (PM me if you want the link to download it).
What i'm saying here is that some people don't have to have a hidden agenda to do something nice for other people. Programming is fun for me so I solve my needs with it and share what i've done with others to help them solve the same need...same as the Dev-Team is doing. (Don't even get me started on Geohot and his motives).
OK, so I read this entire thread, and I am trying to understand this.....
I have an IP4 with 4.1 that is JB with Greenpois0n. I noticed on my Cydia homepage that it says I have a 4.2b3 SHSH saved. Can I now upgrade to 4.2 and then re-jailbreak UNTETHERED? Is that what all this "jailbreak monte" talk means? Someone please give it to me straight. (and NO, I did not spend $100 on the dev program).
I have an IP4 with 4.1 that is JB with Greenpois0n. I noticed on my Cydia homepage that it says I have a 4.2b3 SHSH saved. Can I now upgrade to 4.2 and then re-jailbreak UNTETHERED? Is that what all this "jailbreak monte" talk means? Someone please give it to me straight. (and NO, I did not spend $100 on the dev program).
Nobody did spend the 99$ ... Everyone is pirating it. That why many people are against this method
Paying someone on eBay to add you to a developer account is probably against Apple's guidelines in someway, so is that really that much better than just finding the IPSW and downloading it?
Ok, lets play on words. I'm not attacking devs, i am saying that Monte require piracy ( free vs 99$) and MN should stop putting effort into that.
According to me, 90-99% of people are pirating it.
Betas are everywhere on torrents and a lot of people are downloading them.
''Why pay 99$ when you can have it for free in less than 5min ?'' A lot of people are thinking that way.
You think in reverse mode.
It should looks like:
Pirate it, this way no need to pay 99 $ ( or even 1$).
Ps: I am on 4.1 on all my idevices. Not saying that i think that way, i say that a HUGE majority of people is thinking that way ( No matter what they say on forums to look good)
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Morality is defined locally, in a specific time, location, circumstance, and culture. Pirating, sharing, copying or whatever word you could use to define it is only immoral to those who decide it so. Right or wrong, good or bad is meaningless. If people have the means to get the software for free, they will. Does anyone have a solution? Nope. There won't be one. I think its only practical to do what you can to mitigate it as much as possible, get over it and find other means to generate revenue if your business model is threatened.
And so I see this arguing, over the "pirating" of a version of software that is ultimately given away for free, completely insane. This act doesn't detriment Apple's revenues. Why should any person feel morally conflicted in any way?
Why can't people argue over the fact that Apple sells computing devices that restrict usability and require all this trouble to gain full access in the first place. Its absurd that anyone has to deal with this bullsht at all. Stop btching at the people ambitious enough to actually counter it. Nobody owes you anything. You bought the device, as it was, exactly as Apple designed it. If you think you're obligated to have full and total access and ownership of the product you purchased take it to Apple, the courts, or don't buy it.
And please don't take it upon yourself to defend Apple's right's when they definitely are not reciprocating for their customers. Stop and consider which side of the fence you're actually on.
And so I see this arguing, over the "pirating" of a version of software that is ultimately given away for free, completely insane. This act doesn't detriment Apple's revenues. Why should any person feel morally conflicted in any way?
Why can't people argue over the fact that Apple sells computing devices that restrict usability and require all this trouble to gain full access in the first place. Its absurd that anyone has to deal with this bullsht at all. Stop btching at the people ambitious enough to actually counter it. Nobody owes you anything. You bought the device, as it was, exactly as Apple designed it. If you think you're obligated to have full and total access and ownership of the product you purchased take it to Apple, the courts, or don't buy it.
And please don't take it upon yourself to defend Apple's right's when they definitely are not reciprocating for their customers. Stop and consider which side of the fence you're actually on.
The law is the law. No matter if you like what Apple is doing or not etc etc.
Then end brah.
lucifiel
macrumors 6502a
Moralising the issue doesn't help.
However, piracy is 'illegal' in the sense that it is contrary to the law. You may disagree with this legal policy, but that does not absolve your responsibility to abide by the law.
Thus, as long as piracy, in this form, remains illegal, this conduct is not acceptable.