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Porn sites often make money by stealing content from porn producers, and then selling advertisements. They make money, in other words, but leeching off the content producers, who are actually in real crisis now. Here's a link: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-fi-ct-porn10-2009aug10,0,3356050.story. In particular, this sentence: "At least five of the 100 top websites in the U.S. are portals for free pornography, referred to in the industry as "tube sites," according to Internet traffic ranking service Alexa .com. Some of their content is amateur work uploaded by users and some is acquired from cheap back catalogs, but much of it is pirated."

National Geographic could simply put all their content on a website, but no one has figured out how to make a website pay enough to support traditional content creation. This is why the New York Times, for example, is in real financial trouble. Gathering the news, paying editors, proofreaders, reporters, etc. is very expensive. And their website, which is very successful, has cut into their subscription sales. It's a terrible bind. Without the website you risk irrelevance, but with the website you risk bankruptcy.

This is where Apple has a chance to make an impact. If Apple can offer a way to distribute the intellectual content of the dead-tree printing industry profitably through electronic media, they'll have a huge hit.

DRM is fine if it's both unobtrusive and helps publishers keep their profit margins intact. Do you object to it simply on principle?

National Geographic have all their content on a hard disk http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?productId=1076014 and can be all yours for $199.

The point being print media is dying and has been for a while. Now the time is ripe for a product like the Apple Tablet to come along and make these enterprises profitable or at least stay afloat until a better deal comes along.

The problem with websites is they are a dime a dozen, how can you tell the good from the bad? What's worth paying for and what is rubbish? The physical form of the device will quickly relate to users that I have to pay for this kind of content. We have always had to pay for good content that doesn't come with a keyboard.

The 30/70 split is what made the app store a success and that success will provide the incentive and momentum to create a viable business model for all print mediums. Everyone will be jumping on the bandwagon. The opportunities are too great to continue to fumble with your own website or bring out your own ebook reader to compete.

The question now is not if but when. If the tablet takes 9 months to arrive I may buy a kindle dx to tide me over, but if not then I'll wait. :)
 
I just don't see why people don't get it.

I don't get why you don't get why people don't get it. ;)





(BTW, in the past couple pages of this thread I particularly enjoyed reading the effective and insightful answers given to Knight WRX's points/questions by the following MacRumors contributors: peterdevries, nastebu, and sactoguy18 - - nice to see some thoughtful input amongst all the dross.)
 
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Whilst this thread is far too big for me to completely read, the posts i have read and the article have been fascinating, especially the varying opinions on the iSlate.

A good read!
 
Yeah, and if Apple decides that a particular app encroaches into their territory, or.. god forbids.. competes with Apple's offerings.. You simply will never be able to install it on your precious $700 iSlate. Ever heard of what happened to Google Voice iPhone apps?

Apple can take their "guarantees, control, and security" and stick it where the sun don't shine. If they lock it down to App Store a'la iPhone - no sale.

That's just incorrect, both on the iphone and on the mac there are plenty of apps that directly compete with apple offerrings.
 
Yeah, and if Apple decides that a particular app encroaches into their territory, or.. god forbids.. competes with Apple's offerings.. You simply will never be able to install it on your precious $700 iSlate. Ever heard of what happened to Google Voice iPhone apps?.

Except there's no evidence that Google Voice was rejected due to competitive reasons and much more reason to believe that it had UI that would have been confusing to the average end user, use private APIs and other reasons that don't encroach on paranoia.
 
Yeah, and if Apple decides that a particular app encroaches into their territory, or.. god forbids.. competes with Apple's offerings.. You simply will never be able to install it on your precious $700 iSlate. Ever heard of what happened to Google Voice iPhone apps?

Apple can take their "guarantees, control, and security" and stick it where the sun don't shine. If they lock it down to App Store a'la iPhone - no sale.


There is only a fraction of a percentage of potential buyers that won't buy a tablet because of Apple's strict AppStore approval system. Besides, even as strict as it is, developers have pushed out over 100k+ apps, several of which compete with Apple's offerings, as others mentioned above.
 
Creation(ism) vs Consumer(ism)

One concern I have is will the device be good for the creation of content or is it just for the consumption of content. I am a Creator (Capital 'C'). I make stuff. I write. I photograph. I paint. I program. I engineer. I draw. I design. I invent.

The iPod/iPhone is a nice little device for consumerism but I want tools I can create with.

I hope the tablet will be a too with which iCreate.

Cheers

-Walter
 
keep going guys we might be able to hit 1000 replies on an article about telling us nothing new. WE CAN DO IT.
 
I have never seen one, nor heard of anyone I remotely know owning one. The only mention I've ever heard of te Kindle is here and on Amazon. But I'm sure they're big in Europe.

Err no - same over here.

Never seen one, not heard of anyone who has one and they are about to be resigned to history by Apple imho.
 
With these high quality displays, the highly-interactive digital version of a magazine or newspaper now becomes possible, as Time Incorporated's recent "fantasy demo" of Sports Illustrated on a tablet computer so clearly shows.

But there is something else that these new tablets could change: the comics industry. Imagine instead of going to a comic book store, with the iSlate you get to a Wi-Fi hotspot or turn on the 3G cellular connection and within a few minutes get all the comic strips, comic books, etc. you chose released that week in high-resolution digital form, often in full color.

It might even change the Japanese manga industry, too. Imagine being able to schedule automatic downloads once a week of a full issue of Weekly Shounen Jump onto the "iSlate," with a mix full-color pages and high-quality black-and-white graphics (since we're no longer limited by the cheap printing process used normally in manga anthologies).

Remember the Sports Illustrated demo I mentioned earlier? A digital version designed for the "iSlate" will be nothing short of spectacular, not only with the ability to customize how you read each issue, but also display a lot more pictures, hear interviews or see video--in short, freed from the limits of "dead tree" distribution. A long story in Sports Illustrated--let's say for example coverage of the Super Bowl--will now include a lot more pictures, possibly a longer story, and audio and video from the story.

Alternative newspapers could now become available on the "iSlate" very cheaply--probably free since each issue will include ads--in sophisticated, highly interactive issues. I could see the Village Voice going in this direction within the next few years.

There are many good ideas here for potential "wow" content for the Tablet. But again, think it through a little more. Who's paying for all those comic subscriptions? Sure, such a device (or a laptop or desktop) could easily hold all of someone's favorite comics, but that someone will need to pay for those comic book subscriptions on top of the price they pay for this new device to carry them. I'm under the impression that the large market for comics & manga tends to be a cash-strapped market. Or are you assuming that since they can be delivered without being printed on paper, pricing- and thus profits- will be heavily cut? (and if so, why will those publishers want to cut their own profit throats?)

Sure Sports Illustrated super multi-media edition would be incredible. But you do understand that if the publisher has to put a lot more into the job of publishing their publication, they'll want to charge a lot more for the subscription. Or are we imagining the price of a subscription to this new super Sports Illustrated will stay about the same (or be lower since no paper is necessary), yet they'll spend all that time & trouble to give us all that added multimedia content?

The last thing the newspaper industry needs is reasons to charge less- thus make less revenue- from sales of their papers. The Ad model can't carry such businesses alone, which contributes to why so many of them are struggling- if not downright failing- now. The Tablet will offer them another distribution channel- and some minor cost savings over a printed edition (if they don't have to add a lot of new multimedia content to jazz it up), but if it gets them 2X their subscriber base but no new subscriber revenues, is it a winner for them? What that industry needs is more people valuing their content enough to want to pay them more for it. The Ad model doesn't carry their cost load.

I don't see the availability of a Tablet changing these kinds of realities very much. Comic/Manga/SI/Newspapers ALL can distribute their publications as you describe them NOW, via devices that are already in people's hands. Is- say- a laptop NOT going to be able to deliver much of the same publisher consumption experience as this Tablet? Is the missing link for all this built-up demand for print media content a need to touch a flat surface to turn a page (instead of hitting an arrow key or similar)? Why does the Tablet revolutionize the print industry over the tools we already have? Thinness? No keyboard? Need to Touch to turn a page? Cause Jobs says it's cool?
 
My Thoughts For a Killer iSlate

I am of the opinion that their "iSlate" will be more than a simple ebook reader. I think it will be the Next Big Thing in personal electronics, kind of like a big iPhone. I think it will:

:apple: have a color display
:apple: be an eBook reader and be movie/video capable
:apple: allow video chatting with enclosed camera and microphone, just as iMacs already have. Individual and group chatting w/ friends; business meetings could also be done virtually.
:apple: have a virtual keyboard for texting, writing, and data entry
:apple: include software to do simple computing
:apple: be an Internet browser
:apple: include seamless integration with iMacs
:apple: allow FTF/Internet gaming

Just imagine carrying a relatively small, lightweight, flat-screen computer with you for reading, writing, spreadsheet and database entry, Internet browsing, and reading. And it's a computer that allows you to go beyond texting or making voice-only telephone conversations with others. With the iSlate, you will also be able to do voice and video chatting anywhere, just like the Jetsons; and play games with other, either across the room or across the world.

Provided Apple can keep the price down, have lots of features that work well, and make it sturdy enough for everyday use everywhere, the iSlate will be a revolution in personal communication and recreation. The potential uses in your personal life, school, and business are almost endless.
 
I concur with you! I'm a Creator as well in illustration/design work and hail from the same state as you are. If Autodesk Sketchbook Pro can be used on iPod Touch (which I have), then Apple's tablet device will have a much more scaled up version of it. If people think it's not possible then they're effin' dumb not to realize that there is a Tablet PC port/version of it.

This device is designed for the purpose to be 'on the go' for working professionals as a mobile solution. And also for the family to share content or to read. I'm really positive that this device is much more powerful than the iphone/ipod touch and most likely give users the ability to multi-task, given the "real estate" size of the screen.

If it's just fingers only, then Steve Jobs is a short-sighted visionary. My hunch is that it will come with a stylus pen for other applications that require precise control. But it will not be a complete replacement for the Wacom tablet since what we do on the tablet is considered preliminary work and then do the 'heavy duty' work on the main desktop. The files can be moved via wi-fi between the 'slate' and other Mac systems. It's that blatantly obvious.

And to the person that posted many pages ago about having a keyboard in the back. Sorry but that will not work no matter how 'the kewl' you think it is. Coolness factor comes LAST, function comes FIRST. Once the functionality is worked out, then they can worry about making it look nice.
The masses will not be able to master 'behind the slate' keyboarding while holding. There are foldable keyboards that exist for people with carpal tunnels to type in vertical supinated position.

Apple is trying to keep the Slate design simple. Remember the rules of KISS (keep it simple, stupid)? That's what they're doing with it. It will most likely have high-end Apps, E-book/magazine Reader, Digital Presentation (portfolio/photos/movies), and web communications (browsing and chat). Web chat on the go? I'm sold. It'll be perfect for me to communicate with deaf people on screen or other friends. If I'm sick in bed, I can just use it when holding without the clunkiness of the laptop.

One concern I have is will the device be good for the creation of content or is it just for the consumption of content. I am a Creator (Capital 'C'). I make stuff. I write. I photograph. I paint. I program. I engineer. I draw. I design. I invent.

The iPod/iPhone is a nice little device for consumerism but I want tools I can create with.

I hope the tablet will be a too with which iCreate.

Cheers

-Walter
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To HobeSoundDarryl and SactoGuy,

It is going to be a reality when comics hit the tablet market. Like I said in many posts ago, Disney BOUGHT Marvel Comics. Who was the shareholder of Disney?

That's right. Steve Jobs. People can b---h and argue all day about it, but it already happened. The reason it will be cheaper to buy comics or e-books for the tablet is because there is NO paper involved to be used for printing. In the publishing market, it is very expensive to print books and if they can go digital, it'll save trees and money. Win-win for the 'treehuggers' and the 'Corporate Moguls'.

So SactoGuy, that idea of comics on the tablet is already in motion. You're going to have a choice of either the printed comics, web comics or the actual 'ecomic' which will probably be a port of the actual issue.

To Darryl,

Publishers won't need to do much more work because all it needs is a plug-in app for InDesign/Quark to convert the files to digital reading format. I suspect it will be interactive PDF. Advertisement? That's easy. They're going to be similar to a web banner link. Like the ad you see? Touch it and you're transported to that company's website via browser from the e-book app. That's blatantly obvious right there.

The newspaper industry is already dying and the tablet is the way to save their a$$es by going digital. Steve Jobs is doing them a huge favor here. People need to realize that. The reasons print subscriptions are high are due to the expenses on their part for the paper. Did you think paper is cheap through printing houses? You'd be surprised how expensive they are.

So, who wants to blow off $4 on New Avengers #xx when you can get the same issue on the tablet for $1.00? THINK.

There are many good ideas here for potential "wow" content for the Tablet. But again, think it through a little more. Who's paying for all those comic subscriptions? Sure, such a device (or a laptop or desktop) could easily hold all of someone's favorite comics, but that someone will need to pay for those comic book subscriptions on top of the price they pay for this new device to carry them. I'm under the impression that the large market for comics & manga tends to be a cash-strapped market. Or are you assuming that since they can be delivered without being printed on paper, pricing- and thus profits- will be heavily cut? (and if so, why will those publishers want to cut their own profit throats?)

Sure Sports Illustrated super multi-media edition would be incredible. But you do understand that if the publisher has to put a lot more into the job of publishing their publication, they'll want to charge a lot more for the subscription. Or are we imagining the price of a subscription to this new super Sports Illustrated will stay about the same (or be lower since no paper is necessary), yet they'll spend all that time & trouble to give us all that added multimedia content?

The last thing the newspaper industry needs is reasons to charge less- thus make less revenue- from sales of their papers. The Ad model can't carry such businesses alone, which contributes to why so many of them are struggling- if not downright failing- now. The Tablet will offer them another distribution channel- and some minor cost savings over a printed edition (if they don't have to add a lot of new multimedia content to jazz it up), but if it gets them 2X their subscriber base but no new subscriber revenues, is it a winner for them? What that industry needs is more people valuing their content enough to want to pay them more for it. The Ad model doesn't carry their cost load.

I don't see the availability of a Tablet changing these kinds of realities very much. Comic/Manga/SI/Newspapers ALL can distribute their publications as you describe them NOW, via devices that are already in people's hands. Is- say- a laptop NOT going to be able to deliver much of the same publisher consumption experience as this Tablet? Is the missing link for all this built-up demand for print media content a need to touch a flat surface to turn a page (instead of hitting an arrow key or similar)? Why does the Tablet revolutionize the print industry over the tools we already have? Thinness? No keyboard? Need to Touch to turn a page? Cause Jobs says it's cool?
 
Thank you! That's EXACTLY what I think the features will be.

I am of the opinion that their "iSlate" will be more than a simple ebook reader. I think it will be the Next Big Thing in personal electronics, kind of like a big iPhone. I think it will:

:apple: have a color display
:apple: be an eBook reader and be movie/video capable
:apple: allow video chatting with enclosed camera and microphone, just as iMacs already have. Individual and group chatting w/ friends; business meetings could also be done virtually.
:apple: have a virtual keyboard for texting, writing, and data entry
:apple: include software to do simple computing
:apple: be an Internet browser
:apple: include seamless integration with iMacs
:apple: allow FTF/Internet gaming

Just imagine carrying a relatively small, lightweight, flat-screen computer with you for reading, writing, spreadsheet and database entry, Internet browsing, and reading. And it's a computer that allows you to go beyond texting or making voice-only telephone conversations with others. With the iSlate, you will also be able to do voice and video chatting anywhere, just like the Jetsons; and play games with other, either across the room or across the world.

Provided Apple can keep the price down, have lots of features that work well, and make it sturdy enough for everyday use everywhere, the iSlate will be a revolution in personal communication and recreation. The potential uses in your personal life, school, and business are almost endless.
 
I could'nt care less if they are trying to make money. EVERY company does that because they're doing their job. Did you think they're going to sell products for free? Of course not.

"To make money for Apple". That was blatantly obvious since 1984. Where were you at the time?

The role of the Apple Tablet is ultimately...

To make money for Apple.
Period.

NOW CRY.
 
Does Apple need to call it an iSlate? It already owns iBook.

Traditional print media via the iTunes store (perhaps up for a rename) will bring proper revenue for electronic media as well as being environmentally friendly.

No need for Amazon.

Plans with bundled content allowance.

Can't wait. Will be Steve's crowning glory.
 
It is going to be a reality when comics hit the tablet market. Like I said in many posts ago, Disney BOUGHT Marvel Comics. Who was the shareholder of Disney?

That had a lot more to do with other ways to make money on Marvel properties... and very little to do with comic book revenues.

And, I'm not saying Comics can't or won't be content for sale on the Tablet- I'd say they will- just why do I need to buy a Tablet to enjoy my comics in paperless format? Won't my iTunes connected Laptop serve up those same comics at the same subscription price?

The reason it will be cheaper to buy comics or e-books for the tablet is because there is NO paper involved to be used for printing. In the publishing market, it is very expensive to print books and if they can go digital, it'll save trees and money. Win-win for the 'treehuggers' and the 'Corporate Moguls'.

No arguments against wanting to save trees, and that we are moving beyond the paper age in general. BUT, you are living in an illusion if you think it is the paper piece of the variable that makes up the bulk of the price of such publications. It's not. Sure, a digital copy of a magazine will cost less to "print" and distribute than a paper copy, but not much less (think salaries, etc.) More directly, look at the non-physical format media already for sale in the iTunes store and compare it to the physical media version. Doesn't it cost less to sell a movie via iTunes vs. on a DVD? So why can we often find DVDs (with all the extras) for the same- or even less than- the iTunes price? Doesn't it cost less to sell TV shows via iTunes vs. seasons on multiple DVDs? So why can we often find the DVD versions cheaper than the iTunes version... and again with a bunch of extras? Why is there a belief that the print industry content is going to be "bargain" priced when these other forms of physical media for sale via iTunes shows that content producers want to be paid well for their content... HOWEVER it is to be delivered to consumers?

Publishers won't need to do much more work because all it needs is a plug-in app for InDesign/Quark to convert the files to digital reading format. I suspect it will be interactive PDF.

What? You offered the idea of reading the usual article in SI, then having options to click for related video footage and similar NOT in the usual version of SI. Somebody will need to be paid for shooting, editing, etc that video footage. That adds cost. It's not like they are currently doing all this multimedia content for the magazine then just setting it all aside because they can't push videos into a paper medium. If the magazine on the Tablet has a lot of added multimedia features (which makes sense to me too), then it is likely to be priced HIGHER since it is an enhanced version of the magazine. The Print industry won't want to add a lot of work & cost to it's output and then charge a lot less for it.

Advertisement? That's easy. They're going to be similar to a web banner link. Like the ad you see? Touch it and you're transported to that company's website via browser from the e-book app. That's blatantly obvious right there.

There's no confusion about how ads can work in a computing device. Is anyone not familiar with online advertising methods? The point I attempted to convey is that an ad model doesn't carry the cost load of the print industry. More simply, they need subscription dollars to continue to be profitable businesses. That they'll take ad approaches they're already using with their online edition, and replicate the ads on e-pages of their print publication in the e-version, doesn't much change the amount of ad revenue they will capture when delivering via a Tablet. Their revenue woes simply continue, unless a lot more people subscribe. And a lot more people subscribing at a much lower subscription rate does not pave the way to success (unless volume is so heavy that it makes up for lower revenue-per-subscriber). The industry's problem now is that even $1 or so for a 60+ page daily newspaper stuffed with original content is often seen as "too expensive". So they've already been down the "try to do it in volume" path... and that's not getting the (profitability) job done. I can't imagine them cutting their pricing for Tablet distribution motivated by... what exactly? Why should they sell their subscriptions for less?

The newspaper industry is already dying and the tablet is the way to save their a$$es by going digital.
The dying part is true. Many have long-gone digital already, but that isn't saving them. That we will be able to read them on a Tablet doesn't seem so different than being able to read them through e-means already available. Sure, we might touch a flat surface to turn a page (instead of clicking an arrow key or clicking a mouse button), but how does that move the masses to want to save them (by buying subscriptions... many of which are already available via devices already owned).

Your feedback- and that of many others in this thread- reads like you anticipate a model that does work very well: buy this fantastic gizmo and it comes with a ton of valuable, desirable stuff for free. That worked with the iPod because the "free" part was CD collections people already had. As soon as you got home, you could rip all of your favorite music for free and then immediately enjoy it on your iPod. That worked on the iPhone because all the stuff you already owned in iTunes could flow into a single device that would now cover the mobile phone base very well too. That works with laptops because all the iTunes stuff you already own is already on that computer.

How will it work with this Tablet... if you already own some of this other iTunes connected gear? It's not going to be easy to "rip" paper magazine collections you already own. It's not practical to rip paper newspapers you have lying around. The big change relative to what made computers, iPods, and iPhone really appeal is that this time the hot stuff for this device will need to be purchased from iTunes... much of which via ongoing subscription. And if that same content will be available to other iTunes-capable devices we already own, what about this Tablet makes us want to buy it so that we can buy that new iTunes content?

People who don't already own iTunes-equipped electronics may find this the one device to cover all the iPod/iPhone/laptop iTunes benefits. For them, this could be their first iPod/iPhone "wow" experience. But for those that already have an iPod or iPhone and a laptop, thus already having all the "free" content able to travel with them NOW, this Tablet appears to be a device you buy so that you can then buy a lot of additional content to make it really enjoyable (and that somehow that joy won't be good enough on a laptop, etc).

So, who wants to blow off $4 on New Avengers #xx when you can get the same issue on the tablet for $1.00? THINK.
That's the main problem with your perception of the device: that all these other companies- such as the publisher of Avengers- is going to cut their revenue & profit throats to support Apple's sales of this Tablet. You can do the math yourself of cutting a $4 sale to a $1 sale (and then think about the volume increase requirements to make up the difference), but I'll simply point again at the media already available via iTunes, where I can't get 75% off of DVD prices to buy the same movie in an e-version, or 75% off the TV show media vs. buying the same show via DVDs, and so on. Why will this media be priced so differently than what is already there?

Understand, I'm not against your dream at all. It would be great to suddenly have access to a very rich world of original, professional, fresh print media at huge discounts. All consumers everywhere would win... right up until the content stopped coming because the print creators went out of business because they couldn't make a profit at 75% off rates that used to be marginally profitable in 2009.
 
I'll buy the new Apple tablet even if it's "only" an e-reader:

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Watch this Bonnier research piece on Vimeo (why they don't include video rather than only still images puzzles me a bit). Now, imagine the Apple version being even nicer... [Add to basket]

Source.
 
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I find so sad that some people are actually waiting this islate thinking it will be a macbook air with no keyboard, with iphone capabilities a full osx support and 8 hour battery life, wanting to spend something like 1000$ max.

Wake up, please.
 
Err no - same over here.

Never seen one, not heard of anyone who has one and they are about to be resigned to history by Apple imho.

Well I've bought 4 kindles myself. One for me, one for the wife, and two for Christmas presents for family members. Everyone, especially myself, loves it. Since this thread would take me a day to read in it's entirety, not sure of the context of this, but in y circle to kindle is used and discussed often, and has probably already paid ofr itself in less than a year in book savings.
 
I think that for all the speculation almost all of us will be wrong. I remember everyone being fairly surprised by the iPhone because they were expecting an iPod with a keyboard and phone functions tacked on. I think we will be similarly surprised by the tablet by expecting something like a large iPod Touch crossed with an ereader.
 
Yet, this is another long weekend, where there is not even a minor news entry, despite the thousands of collaborators.

Even though Macrumors concatonates news from other sources, how it is presented is an editorial choice. By leaving that article as a headliner over the weekend the editors assured a large fraction of their readership saw or emphasized it.

Macrumors makes its revenues off advertising and sales commissions. The most interesting commercial I heard recently was for a radio station where they were selling a product directly on the commercial.

I suspect that net of delivery and production costs, NYT to WSJ could make a pretty good profit off $0.99 per issue vs. the higher newsstand price. All traditional advertising would stay in place and the form factor would facilitate new media ads as well.

The majority of meaningful revenue from old media is from display advertising. Your eyeball is more important to them than to you in terms of shifting dollars.

Rocketman
 
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