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I'm not sure if I have the terminology right, but I think it was filmed in documentary style. My point has always been this can be done with a steady camera while thinking of the opening of Saving Private Ryan. I see no excuse for the jerky home movie effect, because it is too detrimental. The other aspect of this type of filming is that it boxes in the audience into only seeing what the characters see. It's a trade off between a dramatization and projecting the feeling the audience is watching something real. I'd also make a comparison with the flight scenes in War of the Worlds which was not documentary style, but it still gives an excellent "human masses trying to escape" vibe as I think of the van scene followed shortly by the ferry scene. Despite this, Cloverfield is a good movie if it does not give you motion sickness. However in this regard, it's much better than Blair Witch. If I remember correctly, Cloverfield previews went out of their way to minimize how it was filmed .:)

I agree 100% about the jerky home video effect. It's nauseating. And boxes you in to what you can/can't see. But I understand why it has to be that way (documentary style, as you said). I just don't enjoy it. Cloverfield was an exception, for me, because I got so sucked into the story that I didn't really mind or notice the effect as much.

What I really hate is when "normal" (not the home video style) movies have the jerky camera movements just to evoke tension/intensity/urgency/stress to an otherwise boring or poorly acted scene, when a steady camera would have sufficed. A prime example that comes to mind is the awful Denzel Washington train movie Unstoppable (just thinking about that movie makes my blood boil, I hated it so much). Even in non-moving indoor scenes, like in the dispatcher's office when the "runaway" train hits :gasp: 20 mph, the camera shakes all over the place, just to make a lackluster moment more intense, and it is so very unnecessary. A few minutes into the movie, I realized I was so tensed up. It wasn't because the movie was suspenseful, because it's not AT ALL, but I felt like I was bracing myself from all the camera shaking and moving. And that effect is used throughout the entire movie, its just detrimentally unwatchable.

There are a few, and very few in my opinion, instances in which it actually works though. One example is the final scene in Twister where they've run into the shack and they're trying to fasten their belts onto the metal pipes. The shaky camera works because of the actual urgency of the situation, and I think adds to the scene. It wasn't overused in the least throughout the movie, and in fact, it's hardly even noticeable when it is used unless you're looking for it.
 
P.S. Another Italian genre film Hemmings Recommendation: The Heroin Busters. A very O.T.T. undercover narc film with Hemmings as a wonderfully funny/cranky Interpol agent. Sadly, no italian dub on the U.S. dvd though.

Thanks for that, guess who did the soundtrack?
I'll check it out. Quite sad that even on the Italian Amazon site, the only version available is the American one.

Always a good feeling when on the brink to discover sth. new and thus challenging (for oneself at least). You think I should start with Dario's animal trilogy? Read good things about them, but never really read a lot about movies I know I'm interested in to watch but haven't seen already. Less academic but more entertaining that way. :D
 
I agree 100% about the jerky home video effect. It's nauseating. And boxes you in to what you can/can't see. But I understand why it has to be that way (documentary style, as you said). I just don't enjoy it. Cloverfield was an exception, for me, because I got so sucked into the story that I didn't really mind or notice the effect as much.

What I really hate is when "normal" (not the home video style) movies have the jerky camera movements just to evoke tension/intensity/urgency/stress to an otherwise boring or poorly acted scene, when a steady camera would have sufficed. A prime example that comes to mind is the awful Denzel Washington train movie Unstoppable (just thinking about that movie makes my blood boil, I hated it so much). Even in non-moving indoor scenes, like in the dispatcher's office when the "runaway" train hits :gasp: 20 mph, the camera shakes all over the place, just to make a lackluster moment more intense, and it is so very unnecessary. A few minutes into the movie, I realized I was so tensed up. It wasn't because the movie was suspenseful, because it's not AT ALL, but I felt like I was bracing myself from all the camera shaking and moving. And that effect is used throughout the entire movie, its just detrimentally unwatchable.

There are a few, and very few in my opinion, instances in which it actually works though. One example is the final scene in Twister where they've run into the shack and they're trying to fasten their belts onto the metal pipes. The shaky camera works because of the actual urgency of the situation, and I think adds to the scene. It wasn't overused in the least throughout the movie, and in fact, it's hardly even noticeable when it is used unless you're looking for it.

I don't even remember it in Twister so it must have been good application. Overall I agree with what your saying. Basically there are home movies with stabilization in them, no need for the real Blair Witch nightmare which was the jerky cam. ;)
 
I don't even remember it in Twister so it must have been good application. Overall I agree with what your saying. Basically there are home movies with stabilization in them, no need for the real Blair Witch nightmare which was the jerky cam. ;)
I only noticed it in Twister because of our posts about Cloverfield. :) I just caught the last half of the movie on TV a few days ago.
 
Thanks for that, guess who did the soundtrack?
I'll check it out. Quite sad that even on the Italian Amazon site, the only version available is the American one.

Always a good feeling when on the brink to discover sth. new and thus challenging (for oneself at least). You think I should start with Dario's animal trilogy? Read good things about them, but never really read a lot about movies I know I'm interested in to watch but haven't seen already. Less academic but more entertaining that way. :D

Yes, that Goblin soundtrack for The Heroin Busters (a.k.a La Via Della Droga) is my favorite. I love the music playing behind the Hong Kong credits. I had a Japanese dvd 10 years ago that was only in Italian, but I understood the gist of the movie anyway. It's too bad I'd love this and Il Grande Racket in Italian with English subs (Racket is nowhere near as potent in English.)

Dario? If you liked the murder mystery angle of Profondo Rosso, his first film The Bird with the Crystal Plumage is excellent. Probably the most linear story Dario ever wrote besides Tenebre. The 2nd and 3rd Animal trilogy titles, I'd wait to see if you're up to exploring Dario more. Oh, the visuals you enjoyed in Profondo Rosso? They really aren't present in Cat or Four Flies (there's some great cinematography and color use in Bird though). So Bird, yes. Cat and Flies not right away.
 
Dario? If you liked the murder mystery angle of Profondo Rosso, his first film The Bird with the Crystal Plumage is excellent. Probably the most linear story Dario ever wrote besides Tenebre. The 2nd and 3rd Animal trilogy titles, I'd wait to see if you're up to exploring Dario more. Oh, the visuals you enjoyed in Profondo Rosso? They really aren't present in Cat or Four Flies (there's some great cinematography and color use in Bird though). So Bird, yes. Cat and Flies not right away.


Problem is that all these fanatic Amazon reviewers raving about wrong aspect ratios here, cutted versions and low quality transfers there do concern or irritate me a bit. Can't find a Birdy BluRay version that looks worth the price, also Suspiria; something seems missing, be it no Italian audio or bad picture quality, etc. Maybe I just get me a couple of cheaper DVDs and get a better overall idea first. If there is a true masterpiece at hand I can still dig for a better BluRay.

Also, I think I can't resist Dracula - despite his daughter. :D
 
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Problem is that all these fanatic Amazon reviewers raving about wrong aspect ratios here, cutted versions and low quality transfers there do concern or irritate me a bit. Can't find a Birdy BluRay version that looks worth the price, also Suspiria; something seems missing, be it no Italian audio or bad picture quality, etc. Maybe I just get me a couple of cheaper DVDs and get a better overall idea first. If there is a true masterpiece at hand I can still dig for a better BluRay.

Also, I think I can't resist Dracula - despite his daughter. :D

I think it's a wise decision in buying the cheaper edition of Bird (I am hoping the cheapy Bird blu will force the folks with the OOP Blue Underground edition to drop their prices a tad, I don't have a copy of that myself.)

The Blue Underground Suspiria set is very good despite not having the Italian dub, that is the copy I own. I will say this about BU they were in direct contact with Dario so the vault materials they received for their releases were the best they could get at the time.
 
yes it is

Isn't the BU roundabout $100? That's out of the question for me.

Yeah, it is around that price. :( One seller on ebay has a buy it now close to that. Too rich for my blood too.

Enjoy Dracula, despite Asia. :D

Oh what I've seen of Blood for Dracula is a lot of fun. Love Udo's campy, maudlin take on the Count. It seems like they had fun making it. Sadly no copies in a reasonable price range.
 
Oh what I've seen of Blood for Dracula is a lot of fun. Love Udo's campy, maudlin take on the Count. It seems like they had fun making it. Sadly no copies in a reasonable price range.

It's brilliant in my opinion. The intro alone is worth the money + great music too! Also worth knowing that the movie was directly (as inthe very next day) shot after finishing Flesh for Frankenstein featuring the same cast (bar Polanski and de Sicca I guess :)). Haven't found a decent copy myself yet, but Frankenstein is said to be great as well.
 
I felt that way too

Just watched District 9. Ummm, still don't know what to think. :confused:

And ultimately decided it was not for me - the whole Kafka side of it freaked me out (roaches are one of the few insects I cannot stand so.) That said, despite the preachy SF that Blomkamp makes, I do like some of his ideas and really like Sharlto Copley. I have a feeling these guys will eventually make a movie I like.
 
Got this tanga sale ad today and it made me think of this thread. There's been a lot of classic action/horror movie talk in here. :D

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This is not intended to be spam, but I did want to post the link just in case anyone was interested in seeing more of the movie posters that are available. If this violates anything mods, then please delete the post.
 
And ultimately decided it was not for me - the whole Kafka side of it freaked me out (roaches are one of the few insects I cannot stand so.) That said, despite the preachy SF that Blomkamp makes, I do like some of his ideas and really like Sharlto Copley. I have a feeling these guys will eventually make a movie I like.

(Referencing District 9) Roaches or are you referring to "prawns"?

Watched Minority Report last night. This movie grew on me and I like it. What I don't like is the cold hard lighting Spielburg used, I guess to give the film a "future" feeling. Now I'm going to read the short story, another Philip Dick story. :)

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I can't imagine a store where every advertisement calls out to every customer, highly annoying! :p
 
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miss being active duty. love my family. start the count.

so finally got to see 'Oblivion'. thanks redbox for keeping it current and stuff. :rolleyes:

i liked it, just didn't love it. one of the better scifi movies i've seen recently, loved the cinematography and CGI, decent story and acting, just seemed like more of the same to be general about it. for me, there was no, holy crap moment like watching 'The Matrix' for the first time. i'd watch it again.

four nights ago, i got to watch 'The Numbers Station'. it's my new favorite movie, at least until i find one i like better. i'm a huge Cusack fan which probably didn't hurt, but it was more than just that. the cinematography, the story, the acting, everything actually, i liked. some reviews slam it for being slow, but they are missing the point. his life, the new assignment, it IS slow/boring and the film paints an amazing picture. watching the characters on the journey of self discovery, the split second decisions, deciding how much you believe in something and how far you'd go for that belief, all good stuff. also truly love the use of audio instead of video when they go looking for clues/answers as to what may have happened. amazing flick, two thumbs, several fingers, and a couple toes up.
 
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(Referencing District 9) Roaches or are you referring to "prawns"?

Watched Minority Report last night. This movie grew on me and I like it. What I don't like is the cold hard lighting Spielburg used, I guess to give the film a "future" feeling. Now I'm going to read the short story, another Philip Dick story. :)

I can't imagine a store where every advertisement calls out to every customer, highly annoying! :p

Re: District 9: thank you Huntn. The D9 Prawns made me think roaches, not shrimp.

Minority Report. I need to watch that again. The whole element about removing one's eyes in order not to be scanned was a neat tangent.
 
im watching white house down! and its not suppose to funny but its was pretty funny compared to olympus has fallen
 
Re: District 9: thank you Huntn. The D9 Prawns made me think roaches, not shrimp.

Minority Report. I need to watch that again. The whole element about removing one's eyes in order not to be scanned was a neat tangent.


Shrimp are good to eat... :D

The precrime concept in Minority Report is the basis for cool science fiction, although so flawed is the idea that the future is set in stone even if precogs could see it. People do change their minds. Still a good story. :D
 
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Shrimp are good to eat... :D

The precrime concept in Minority Report is the basis for cool science fiction, although so flawed is the idea that the future is set in stone even if precogs could see it. People do change their minds. Still a good story. :D

Shrimp see me and hide.

Excellent point about Minority Report. I'm a good example of why that future would not work. :D

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It's brilliant in my opinion. The intro alone is worth the money + great music too! Also worth knowing that the movie was directly (as inthe very next day) shot after finishing Flesh for Frankenstein featuring the same cast (bar Polanski and de Sicca I guess :)). Haven't found a decent copy myself yet, but Frankenstein is said to be great as well.

Eventually I will see a proper copy of Blood for Dracula. It looked like a lot of fun something vampire movies usually aren't (by fun I mean - a campy good time in this particular case.)

Keep me posted about Flesh for Frankenstein.
 
Minority Report Spoilers, only for those who have seen the movie.​

that's what she said. the precog of course, what where You thinking?!?

My own view. :) Tthe precog Agatha told Anderton (Tom Cruise) that he could change his mind/the future because he had seen his future. The neat part about this scene it shows the shooting, but it does not show Anderton trying to arrest the subject, not murder him. Another condemnation of the precog program! :p

Better not to dwell on it because the idea is that what the precog see (in the future) is what does happen, this is after any mind changing has taken place. And besides, I'm still trying to wrap my head around how specifically he was set up, (if enough info is given or maybe I'm over looking something) so there would be confidence he would murder someone, because the only reason he tracked down the character Leo Crow was because the murder ball had dropped on him. How would simply hiring a guy to have children's pictures including Anderton's missing child strewn around his apartment get Anderton to murder him, if he did not know about him? The only reason he did know was because the ball dropped. A chicken or egg situation, a paradox and the really weak point of the story.

And if you can't remember why Anderton was set up? It was because Agatha showed him a vision of the Ann Lively murder and he started researching it. Director Burgess because he murdered Ann Lively, set him up to take him out of the picture.

Update: After finishing the short story, although much different from the book, imo the movie did an excellent job converting the story to film.

Shrimp see me and hide.

Excellent point about Minority Report. I'm a good example of why that future would not work. :D

So we are left to speculate... :p
 
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Watched The Guilt Trip earlier today. Rogen and Streisands are goofballs, and they deliver a few funny moments. Overall, I'd recommend it because its lighthearted and funny at times, but it's definitely no Oscar-contender.

I also saw Mad Money (the heist movie with Diane Keaton, Katie Holmes and Queen Latifah) a few days ago. It was better than I expected, but still not very good. Ted Danson, Keaton and their antics kept me interested, but the other two women ruined it.

Update: After finishing the short story, although much different from the book, imo the movie did an excellent job converting the story to film.

I randomly came across the Minority Report book one day when I was browsing a bookstore, and I was amazed at how they had shaped the movie from such a short story. The book was pretty good as well. I don't remember how long it was now, but I know it didn't take much time at all to read (a few minutes IIRC).
 
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