You know what I don't understand? Apple can fit a whopping 160 GB into a little iPod Classic.... but only 32 GB into a huge iPod Touch? Something's fishy with that, and I have no doubt they only had a limited storage JUST so that they could fit more into the next gen.
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iPod touch What should be in the second generation iPod touch?
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First, the 160GB iPod Classic is much thicker than an iPod Touch.
Second, there is a difference between a HD and Flash Memory capacities and installations.
Third, under the hood, the circuity for an iPod Classic is much different than an iPod Touch.
Hope this helps you understand why there is a difference in the two designs.
Also, as someone with a 32GB Touch, I would never want a HD based one for a variety of reasons.
No iPod has it built-in, for sure. However, Apple has manufactured an official Apple-branded accessory called the iPod Radio Remote (a real product: see here) that works with all iPod Nanos, with the 5th generation iPod, and with the iPod Classic.
I'd like to see it updated so that it works (at least the "Radio" part, if not the "Remote" part) with the iPod Touch. My bet is that it probably would only require new software in the iPod itself. That would be a compromise that would give a radio tuner to those who want it, without being somehow threatening to those who don't want it.
Adding support for HD FM or other terrestrial digital radio at the same time would be nice, but current implementations are very power-hungry, so I understand why analog-only would be the only practical solution for the moment.
You honeslty think the new touch will get all that, when the iPhone got close to none of those things, can I get some of the weed your smoking, because you're high if you think that, and my dealer is out of town.
Jeez, some of you people requesting and suggesting what it should have, you guys/gals are crazy. Some must honeslty be high, for real. I am one to never predict what we will see, because I know I would be wrong and just way off, some of you should follow that rule like me....because honeslty, most of these requests are pure dreams, and they only serve to get the hopes up, only to be let down by the big fall...this thread is fun though, nothing like wanting to escape reality for a few minutes and go to fantasy land. Specualtion threads like this in general are great. Keep the suggestions rolling in, no matter how unrealistic and far fetched they are/
Well, nothing is ever perfect. No matter how good something is, there's likely always going to be ways in which it might be made even better. If nobody ever felt comfortable speaking up about their opinions on ways they think things could be improved, then then the people who have the power to make decisions about these things might never find out about them. They might miss out on the next killer feature that loads of potential customers might be interested in.
Mind you, this forum may not be the best venue for voicing these suggestions to the people who would need to know about them.
I just want the Features from the other iPod's like Classic in the new touch.
Video Playlist
Control Brightness
4x, 8x, 32x, etc. Backward/Forward Scan
Hold
More Access to Setting during Playback
I know this is TOUCH but I would like a Wheel on the Side, so I can have More Control if I want to see a Specific Scene/Track. It's a PITA to go back say, 5 minutes in Video.
Video Playlist
Control Brightness
4x, 8x, 32x, etc. Backward/Forward Scan
Hold
More Access to Setting during Playback
I know this is TOUCH but I would like a Wheel on the Side, so I can have More Control if I want to see a Specific Scene/Track. It's a PITA to go back say, 5 minutes in Video.
The only foreseeable improvement I could see in the 2nd gen touch is larger capacity. 64gb chips exist, and if those are too expensive, then I'm sure Apple could use 2 32gb chips. the new capacity would replace the $500 price range and the 8gb model would be dropped. If it were to remain, it would conflict with ipod nano sales.
I could see hard volume controls MAYBE. Apple usually listens to people when there are enough clamoring for a certain feature that isn't too radical. Remember the outrage when the original touch did not include full calendar functionality? Apple added that functionality I believe in the very next SW update. Apple usually makes its own radical improvements (correct me if i'm wrong).
As for GPS/BT/3g data (!), I firmly believe these features will not make it onto this itineration of the touch. (I'll apologize if I am wrong
) here's why:
the only possible hardware feature I could see is a camera. that would not significantly eat into iphone sales, and is a definite "wow" factor. Since apple does not have as many components in the touch, the added space might suffice for better optics. note: i know nothing about the internals of the touch, so feel free to correct me.
I could see hard volume controls MAYBE. Apple usually listens to people when there are enough clamoring for a certain feature that isn't too radical. Remember the outrage when the original touch did not include full calendar functionality? Apple added that functionality I believe in the very next SW update. Apple usually makes its own radical improvements (correct me if i'm wrong).
As for GPS/BT/3g data (!), I firmly believe these features will not make it onto this itineration of the touch. (I'll apologize if I am wrong
) here's why:- GPS: Yes, it would be a very cool feature to have, but it would seriously compromise battery life. And I don't think apple would remedy this with a larger battery. if Steve Jobs wants something thin, he will keep it thin. Have ANY products ever gotten thicker than the original model?
- BT: Hello bluetooth headsets and VOIP. even if apple crippled this feature, it would be a great incentive to jailbreak and voip without too much modding. This functionality would also be interpreted by AT&T as a sort of betrayal, and that would ruin Apple's business model for the phone market, making it harder to acquire new carriers either worldwide or in the USA. besides, bluetooth streaming audio quality blows.
- 3g data: the greatest incentive of the touch over the iphone, besides increased capacity, is that there is no expensive contract, and it is a one-time purchase. a 3g data option would ruin that image. even if it was optional, it would still threaten the iphone carriers as i explained above.
the only possible hardware feature I could see is a camera. that would not significantly eat into iphone sales, and is a definite "wow" factor. Since apple does not have as many components in the touch, the added space might suffice for better optics. note: i know nothing about the internals of the touch, so feel free to correct me.
heres a list of what i think should be in the second generation iPod Touch
A camera
Physical Volume buttons on the left side like the iPhone
internal speakers
Aluminum backing because the stainless steel gets all scratched up
Less sharp edges because if you drop the ipod and it falls on its side it messes up the side and looks ugly
Bigger capacity
longer Battery life
Bluetooth
GPS
although with all of these features you might as well just call it an iPhone
A camera
Physical Volume buttons on the left side like the iPhone
internal speakers
Aluminum backing because the stainless steel gets all scratched up
Less sharp edges because if you drop the ipod and it falls on its side it messes up the side and looks ugly
Bigger capacity
longer Battery life
Bluetooth
GPS
although with all of these features you might as well just call it an iPhone
They should put a phone in it and call it an iPhone Nano!
Here's what the iPhone nano won't have:
Speakers
Camera
Volume Switch
3G
Yes, you'll have to have your iPod headphones in ALL the time if you wanna make or receive calls because that's where you'll hear the ring and the other person. It will have a microphone though.
Here's what the iPhone nano won't have:
Speakers
Camera
Volume Switch
3G
Yes, you'll have to have your iPod headphones in ALL the time if you wanna make or receive calls because that's where you'll hear the ring and the other person. It will have a microphone though.
Yes the iPhone 3G is thicker than the orignal iPhone. They had to make it thicker to add the GPS
actually that is a good point. does it open up a possibility for the touch redesign to be more rounded and a tad thicker to allow for more battery and/or more capability? yes.
do i believe it? no. Apple wants to separate the touch from the iphone, and would therefore (IMO) not opt for the plastic background/rounded back.
if apple decides to introduce higher capacity touches, the prices would stay the same. if apple decided to stick with 32gb as the highest capacity (i hope not
), then there may be a price cut, as 500$ is a bit much for an ipod. GPS seems like a slightly superfluous feature, unless it were implemented as a full replacement to current nav-systems. as for BT, that would be an open call for voip apps.
i wish there were "better apps" too. we'll just have to wait for the app store to mature a bit. 3 apps for cowbell? 4 apps for useless lighters? soon apple will focus on weeding through bad apps rather than focusing on growing the catalogue.
as NAND flash prices go down, the touch capacities will go up. i for one am vouching on a 64gb model to be introduced this fall.
(hope i wasn't too critical
)I don't agree with this at all. GPS is perfectly do-able in a Touch if the case was rejigged slightly. I really don't understand the argument that so many seem to try and make that GPS is inherently tied to the iPhone. All the Touch would lack is the assisted part of the iPhone's AGPS. Sure GPS would be thirsty on battery power, but then so is Aurora Feint, and plenty of people seem to happy with the app store.
A Touch with GPS plugged into a car's docking system gives Apple a whole new angle into the GPS market, and increases the likelihood of cars coming equipped with iPod docks. Since MS is making in-roads into the auto industry, Apple would be foolish if they didn't at least give the possible market muscle of a GPS equipped iPod Touch some serious consideration.
And the balkanization of iPhone features argument doesn't really hold either. Until such a day as the Touch comes equipped with a microphone, and external speakers, it'll never eat the iPhone's market. People aren't buying the iPhone to get a Touch with GPS and a crappy camera, they're buying them to get a phone. That's it. That's the product distinction. One is a phone, the other isn't. They could overlap entirely on features aside from that point, and it wouldn't affects the sales ratios one iota, 'cos people who want the phone will buy it, and people who don't will buy the Touch. So unless the Touch can makes calls, or at the very least, use Skype, it's in a wholly different market than the iPhone.
Memory is the wild card on the Touch. On the one hand, 64GB looks like a winner, but 4x32GB leaves Apple very little room physically to add features, and 2x32GB probably pushes the margins such that the cost of new features would be prohibitive.
I'm going to go with 64GB or GPS, but I certainly agree that we are unlikely to see both together.
That said, Apple's buying power is pretty good at this point, so they could take a speculative hit on 32GB modules, and drag the market behind them.
Either way, if GPS doesn't happen, it wont be because it can't, or because it lacks utility, it'll be purely because Apple chose not to add it.
And there it is. ie. nothing much - and none of the things people actually wanted or wished.
- External controls and a price drop for the Touch - oh, and some crap thing for joggers.
- a dinky version Touch (ie. the "new" Nano) with fewer features and a bit more memory (plus the accelerometer and a bigger screen with some other boring features).
No memory increase for the Touch, no redesigned case, no GPS, no camera, no Bluetooth.