What to Expect at Apple's October 30th Event: New iPad Pros, Mac Mini, Low-Cost Retina Notebook and More

I haven't dug in to the technical side of "Marzipan", but I doubt they are "porting" from UIKit to AppKit. More likely is that it's a mac-native implementation of UIKit, with some translation between mouse/touch events and additions for multiple/resizable windows. So it's really just like they ported UIKit, and everything else "just works". But you're right - it has absolutely nothing to do with any Intel/ARM transition.

I’m not certain about that. Marzipan is a new technology that will no doubt grow into a key technology. Making it easy for developers to support both touch and mouse/menu UIs is a big step towards a unified OS. When Apple ships ARM-based Macs, I don’t think they’ll run full MacOS as we know it today.

As for that transition - I could totally see Apple getting the ball rolling with a new MacBook Air. Those machines are almost like netbooks anyway: they are for consumers whose primary apps are Safari, Mail and maybe Pages/Keynote (which would obviously be supported out-of-the-box). There are a handful of big-name 3rd-party Apps like Word and Excel, which could be ported before a public announcement. You would be sacrificing some App availability at launch, but there would be obvious wins like a thinner and lighter computer with stupendous battery life, which fits the use-case for the MBA.

Assuming they did port full MacOS as we know it today, if they do it right, developers would simply need to recompile. I think we’d see apps available very quickly and no doubt they would launch with a few heavy hitters. But I still just don’t see it happening yet. They’re trying to sell iPads for the use cases you describe. The Mac is not Apple’s future.
 
I’d love an OLED iPad. Wouldn’t love the cost; but an almost 13 inch OLED? I’d be in heaven.
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Am I the only person who doesn't want a bezeless iPad? I mean I need something to hold onto..... Or am I gonna have to put a pop socket on an iPad? lol
I can live with the same side bezels (portrait).
 
What music genre are you composing?
External storage would be nuts great as the transfers of my friend’s vocals would be even easier

I do both electronic and orchestral and I own the entire Symphony Series collection from Native Instruments. The idea of adding external storage to an iPad sounds nuts already so I'm really interested in what they will announce on Tuesday.
 
Ugh, I wish Apple would just get back to original programming, emojis, and iPhones! Until then, I've got some supplemental predictions of what Apple's got in store, starting with notches for all:

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The same gorgeous camera bump we've seen in iPhones will make its way onto the larger iOS devices:

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The Apple Pencil will take a page out of AirPods' book by gaining easy pairing, and AirPods will return the favor by taking some design cues from the Apple Pencil:

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An additional extremely classy color option will available to prospective iPhone XR buyers:

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And finally, the Mac Pro will see its first design change 2013, fusing with the Mac mini for a truly professional experience. And, yes, that 6"x6" screen is Retina:

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You keep posting stuff like this. It’s not funny
 
Been using Apple since 2002 and can’t imagine using anything else. I’ve had three Macs: a 2002 Indigo G3 iMac (loved it!), a G4 eMac and presently a modified mid 2011 21.5” iMac (and love it!). I’ve had four iPads with the present one being a 10.5 Pro. I’ve had an iPhone 4, 5 and presently a 6S. I miss my old third gen iPod Nano and am using my old iPhone 4 as a glorified iPod. Generally I’m quite happy with the products, but perfection they’re not and sometimes Apple does things that strike me as downright nuts.

For some years now I’m a sales associate and actually sell Apple products (but not in an Apple store). There have been a few times I’ve had frank discussions with the various Apple reps we’ve seen over the years regarding the things I think Apple has gotten wrong.

My biggest gripes are many of the present lineup are under spec’d for the price given the competition aren’t sitting on their hands.

Losing the iPad Mini 2 was dumb, effectively surrendering the compact tablet market to Samsung and the like. Hopefully Apple brings an entry level Mini back to market. A lot of buyers, many if not most of them female, like the compact 8in. size for ease of carrying in handbags. Men generally prefer the larger mainstream 9.7in. iPad. Very few people bother with the Mini 4 even with 128GB—they usually opt for the 9.7in.

I’m glad to see third party manufacturers have introduced flashdrives with lightning plugs that can connect directly to iPads and iPhones (along with the Micro USB Android equivalents). This gives the tablets some of the same accessibilty of laptops and desktops.

The biggest shortcomings I see with the current MacBook Air and Pros are them starting with only 128GB storage at such a premium price point. At those prices the machines should have at least 256GB. Besides not having Retina Display the Air is a nice little machine, but it needs much better specs to justify its price. But at least the Air strikes me as more versatile than the Pro given it retains a media card slot and USB-3 ports. The current 13in. MacBook Pro is gorgeous, but it’s a joke at that price: only 128GB, no media card reader (which it had before its last upgrade) and only 2 USB-C ports and without even one USB-3 port for customers’ older peripherals—no gotta armtwist folks into spending a few more bucks for yet another adaptor. Apple can do better and hopefully next week they will.

The current iMacs still look nice and modern even if familiar and lacking in novelty. The design could stand a refresh rather than a whole cloth redesign: slimmer bezels and smaller (or none altogether) chin. An iMac in Slate Gray or a different Silver would be nice. Even the entry level iMacs should be all SSD to help justify the prices.

I hear a lot of mixed reactions to Face ID on iPads and iPhones. Going to a redesign on the iPad Pros as well as going with USB-C means a new slew of accessories.

I’m looking forward to next week’s announcements, but I’m also hoping for some genuine significant upgrades.
 
NeXT did it seamlessly. When NeXT introduced NEXTSTEP for Intel, SPARC and PA-RISC, all that was needed was a simple app recompile.

NeXT, unfotuantely, isn't Apple.

Apple’s transition was anything but seamless, but they still did an excellent job all things considered. Supporting the legacy (Classic) Mac apps couldn’t have been easy.

Still, there were bumps in the road that made the transition a challenge as someone who went through it.
 
I do both electronic and orchestral and I own the entire Symphony Series collection from Native Instruments. The idea of adding external storage to an iPad sounds nuts already so I'm really interested in what they will announce on Tuesday.

I was looking into the COLLECTION- SYMPHONY SERIES from Native Instuments before, I would love that, but after seeing a price tag (and 600GB data), I gave up. Also, does it work with Logic Pro X or do you need to use Native?

I compose minimal classical music (sounds quite bad in regular midi (that’s why I wanted Symphony Collection), chill out, trip hop, acid jazz ... but not professionally so I could not justify the expenses :(

If the new iPad would have USB-C the possibility to connect external would be right there. Shared with computer version of Logic Pro X, that would be a killer app.

Care to share some orchestral creations with us? I, for one, would like to hear some stuff you create.
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If the new 13 inch low cost notebook uses an ARM processor, are we talking about the A12X bionic that is likely to go into the iPad Pro? Are we talking about 4GB of RAM? Will that be sufficient to drive Mojave and subsequent OS updates for 6 years (which is generally the amount of time I expect to keep a computer)?

I have no idea.....so, wondering if someone could venture a guess.

Also, what are the advantages of using an ARM processor in a laptop? Cost? No Fan? ???
Could be faster while being fanless. Should be lower cost. Long-term the advantage is not being beholden to Intels update cycles/problems/whims. At least part of the reason that certain Macs were not updated sooner is that Intel doesn't update processors on Apple's time table and not to Apple's specs. Short term there are smaller gains. Long term there is more control and hopefully better/faster updates across the lineup. Similar to what happened while Macs transitioned to Intel (and PowerPC before that).
 
Could be faster while being fanless. Should be lower cost. Long-term the advantage is not being beholden to Intels update cycles/problems/whims. At least part of the reason that certain Macs were not updated sooner is that Intel doesn't update processors on Apple's time table and not to Apple's specs. Short term there are smaller gains. Long term there is more control and hopefully better/faster updates across the lineup. Similar to what happened while Macs transitioned to Intel (and PowerPC before that).

It would be interesting to see what happens to BootCamp and VMs in that scenario. there is Windows on ARM that would seem to be a solution, supposing the ARM code is compatible.
 
It would be interesting to see what happens to BootCamp and VMs in that scenario. there is Windows on ARM that would seem to be a solution, supposing the ARM code is compatible.
Yeah, in reading a bit about that last week it struck me that it would ease the pain of a lot of people. The backward compatibility with X86 code is much better than I thought. Of course Windows on ARM has the big failing of not supporting X64 binaries, and a lot of software is offered only in 64-bit. It seems unlikely (and fixable) that Apple's custom ARM cores wouldn't support Windows on ARM. More likely that Windows on ARM doesn't take full advantage of them.
 
Well, the iPhone Xr shows what could theoretically be done to reduce the bezel of the iPad as much as possible. If that's why the headphone jack ultimately had to go, I guess I could get behind that. I just wonder if Apple will increase the size of the bezel to accommodate Face ID, or simply have that eat into the screen a little.

For sure. It’ll definitely happen but I don’t think for another year or two, just because Apple will milk this 8 year old form factor as long as they can.
 
NEXTSTEP had already been ported to Intel when Apple bought NeXT.
Then why did it take more than a YEAR to release Tiger for Intel?
But that's beside the point. Apple has been designing A-series chips and iOS to work closely together. Plus Apple has been doing everything possible to minimize the Unix-ness of MacOS with each new version. I just find it hard to believe that they will do a full port of today's MacOS to ARM. I have no doubt that they want to build Macs powered by they own processors, but I don't think we're there yet. I'm happy to be surprised next week though.
I'm not sure what you mean "minimize the Unix-ness". macOS is a Certified Unix. That brings along with it a bunch of requirements. Apparently, macOS is Unix-enough for those guys. They may be getting better at "hiding" some of the soft-white-underbelly of Unix from the casual user (frankly, a good choice!); but it's all still there. And yes, they have pulled a few Unix-scripts (most in the name of better security); but those are easily (and free-ly) replaced for those who understand and need them.

And remember, the same Apple that you are attempting to say "lacks the moxie" to port macOS to ARM is the same one that DEVELOPS AND MAINTAINS THREE SEPARATE Darwin-based ARM OSes RIGHT NOW, and who has already developed a Framework to port iOS Apps to macOS. OBVIOUSLY, they are toying with the pieces-parts right now, working out some of the anticipated challenges.

And as you said, we'll all see on Tuesday... Frankly, I'm pretty excited.

BTW, I have been an Apple user since 1976. I even have an original Apple 1. Wanna buy it?
 
I waited for an updated Mac mini for about two years while making the most of my 2014 model with SATA SSD upgrades and fiddling with an unsanctioned TB2 eGPU just trying to squeeze more performance out of it. I finally gave up and pieced together an upgraded 2009 Mac Pro, which is still a workhorse of a machine (with a few caveats). This may be my last Mac, though. I have little faith that Apple will return to offering a machine that appeals to me and update it regularly. When you neglect your traditional desktop machines and let them go literally four or five years without updates, you cause people to question your commitment to these product lines.
 
That's now how product purchasing works. It's your money, your needs, your wishes, your product. My grandparents are in their late 80s and have used Macs the exact same way for a very long time. They still have an ink jet printer hooked up to their Mac via USB and they didn't want anything fancy or to have to change anything about their set up. So they bought a MacBook Air. My aunt bought one because the guy at the Apple Store said it was the best for her needs. My mom got one to replace a very old Mac Mini because she uses the same USB mouse she didn't want to replace. Yes, you can get adapters, but in the real world people buy things based on their specific needs and wants and not in line with what a company wants you to believe is ideal.

If I had to buy a Mac based on the current line-up, I would probably go with a MacBook Air myself. I charge my devices from my MacBook Pro constantly—it's just always there so it's faster than plugging into the wall. I keep a flush USB-A drive as a back-up drive in my MBP at all times. I still use my MBP's SD-card slot reader. It's how my CGM connects to my Mac and uploads to the cloud. I could see conforming to the changes of the all USB-C MBP (and other compromises like keyboard and glued in battery and loss of SD card reader) if the prices were more reasonable. But the entry level has a weak processor, and then the prices go up steeply on the TouchBar models. For me, the MacBook Air actually has more "pro" features for me in that it has the SD reader, two USB-A ports, and what I consider to be a better keyboard. I know the processor is weak esp compared to the new 8th generation options on the MBP. And I love a good display, so I'm not arguing that the MBA display is good. But each consumer has different wishes and needs. You could educate me all you want, and it wouldn't change that.

Sometimes like with the original iMac there are growing pains when it went all-USB. But the market was flooded with USB products very quickly after that, and the prices came down quickly. I remember going out to Costco after I bought a Bondi original iMac and could easily buy a USB printer off the shelf at Costco. With USB-C you're still limited on options and you're still paying a premium on peripherals. And no flush flash drives, either (although I know that's quite niche). Even Apple is still selling Lightning Apple pencils and sells every single iOS device (which is hundreds of millions) with USB-A ports on the other end of the Lightning cable. They have embraced USB-C quite haphazardly (by necessity no doubt due to the existence of Lightning).

Forgot to mention: All of Apple's desktop computers, including brand new models like the iMac Pro, have USB-A ports.

So Apple realizes customer needs and wants for this. On the laptops I guess it's a matter of esthetics and thinness. Plus there's some element of "purity" which I guess goes along with esthetics. I remember seeing a T-shirt over a decade ago with the USB, FireWire, and Ethernet logo. It had some caption about eschewing the legacy—I forget what it said. The point was that at that time, it was "pure" to just have those three ports. Now it's "pure" to just have one. And eventually it will be pure to have none at all.
Ok, let's look at your Grandparents' and Aunt's situations:

GP; Old USB-Printer: Buy a new USB-B to USB-C Cable. $6 from Amazon. No "adapters". Just a new Cable. Done!

Aunt; Old Mouse: Clip-on USB-A <-> USB-C Adapter. Plug it on the end of the mouse-cable. Plug into USB-C Port. There is no Step 3. $2 at Amazon. Wow, that was hard!

In one case it was a simple cable-swap (assuming the printer doesn't have a captive cable; or a $2 adapter otherwise); and in the other, yes, a $2 adapter. Both of which are ONE-TIME things, and are literally an "annoyance" for about 30 seconds ONE TIME. Jeez! Talk about First-World Problems! No, not even THAT. Talk about SPOILED BRAT-DOM!!!

Time frickin' marches on. Things change. Too frickin' bad. And in this case the remedy is RIDICULOUSLY inexpensive AND PAINLESS!!!

As for "weak processor", I GUARANTEE that the CPU that is in a NEW MBP is Faster and more efficient than the one it replaces. Otherwise, why replace?

And you JUST MADE THE POINT of why USB-C/TB3 is Head-and-shoulders beyond ANY "Uni-tasking Port" configuration, in your own words:

"But each consumer has different wishes and needs."

Flexibility: That is THE main argument FOR USB-C/TB3. And you just made it FOR me...

Therefore, Your pro-USB-A argument actually makes no sense.

Quite frankly, I was disappointed to see the 2017 iMacs and iMac Pro still with USB-A connectors on them. I would have MUCH rather seen 2 more USB-C/TB3 connectors. Especially on the iMac Pro. I can almost see it with using iMacs in schools; but with the iMac Pro, not so much.

I think they will fix that next go-around.
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I beg to differ. Motorola to Intel was not exactly seamless.
Really? I don't remember hearing of any major hiccups. I never personally had any hiccups whatsoever.
Yes, there were a few orphaned Applications; but that was HARDLY Apple's fault. They provided the FREE tools (XCode) for the Developers to fix that once and for-all. Do I wish they had provided Rosetta a little longer? Sure. But if they had done that, certain key companies (*cough* Adobe *cough* Avid *cough*) would have delayed their Mac-Intel Recompile even LONGER than they did...
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Logic pro X for iPad Pro.
Yes, please.
If I say please, few more time, can I have it?
Please please please.
Followed by please please please for Final Cut X for iPad Pro.
Followed by more please please please, for possibly to connect external storage to iPad Pro and I am all good and happy and world can carry on spinning around
Not gonna happen. Yet.

iOS Filesystem (at least the User-facing parts) are not quite there yet. Plus, we HAVE to have USB-C (at least!) to have sufficiently high-bandwidth and low-latency I/O to make it really worthwhile for more than 8 channels at a time. (Camera Kit USB-A kludges notwithstanding).
 
I waited for an updated Mac mini for about two years while making the most of my 2014 model with SATA SSD upgrades and fiddling with an unsanctioned TB2 eGPU just trying to squeeze more performance out of it. I finally gave up and pieced together an upgraded 2009 Mac Pro, which is still a workhorse of a machine (with a few caveats). This may be my last Mac, though. I have little faith that Apple will return to offering a machine that appeals to me and update it regularly. When you neglect your traditional desktop machines and let them go literally four or five years without updates, you cause people to question your commitment to these product lines.

I thought the removal of 'computer' from their brand name was a subtle enough hint?

They are a high end consumer product maker + retailer. if it doesn't work for you now, it is not going to get any better and you are most likely destined for disappointment with Apple. It does sound like you will be getting yourself a desktop PC soon and there is nothing wrong with that if that is what you need.
 
Everyone needs to meditate and repeat the mantra "AirPods 2 are coming Oct 30". If one billion people did this it would definitely happen.
 
There is a chip suitable for a new iMac Pro, *if* Apple can keep it cool.... The AMD Ryzen Threadrippers 2990WX, would go great in a Pro machine, with 128GB of RAM, 4TB SSD, 16TB(4x4TB HDD's), dual 10GbE ports, while we are at it let's put in a high-end sound card, nVidia Quadro GV100 graphics. Oh yeah, lets also give it 8 USB 3.1 ports on the back, and 4 on the front....
 
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