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My point is that Musk isn't the great innovator he's painted out to be, or indeed at all. All he is, is an investor turned public face of which ever company he is currently involved in. If you have invested to get a Tesla then good for you, just don't do it thinking somehow what they offer is much different to what is already on offer and is really good for the environment, because it's not. If people can accept that and actually like the cars Tesla offers (which I personally thing are a bit too minimalistic, especially on the inside) then good for them and good for you, we all get our cars etc on personal taste.
Thanks for for giving me permission (after the fact) to choose my next car.

Musk is the handsomest, smartest, most innovative, most honest, clearest thinking, most interesting, most empathetic, sexiest, luckiest, greenest, most democratic, most inspiring person in the world today. Perhaps of all time.

Obviously not a single one of those superlatives is is objectively true, let alone all of them strung together. Yet he is succeeding where few ever do. Obviously he has a mixture of qualities that allows this to be the case. If you are looking at just one of them, such as "innovative" and trying to either explain his success or dismiss it, you're missing the big picture.

Musk is the guy who managed, without being "innovative" to be the best-selling electric vehicle maker (and then to eclipse those sales with hundreds of thousands of preorders for his next EV). He managed without being "innovative" to send a rocket into space and then to land that rocket upright on a barge at sea. He seems on the verge of doubling the top speed of maglev trains with no "innovation" at all. I'm starting to think "innovation" isn't as important as you seem to think it is. Certainly it isn't the key to his success. But the success is real. Nibbling at the margins doesn't change that.
 
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No macbooks? I have been waiting for an upgrade for the past 12 months and each few months they say they will get it out there in the next couple of months.

Everyone was waiting for new MBP in June. Maybe if everyone was as Rich as Tim Cook they can buy a new laptop each month, but for people like me who are still on their Unibody 2008 macbook they live between dying hardware and the lack of Apple's upgrades.

MR buyer's guide already shows that the MBP are 4 months late on the average update cycle.
The Macbook front is very confusing at the moment, an early report said not until Q4, but some people take that to mean Apple's quarter which is from July-September, while others are saying no it's the actual quarter. Another report says that Apple have already received the new hinges for the new Macbook Pro's, basically some are saying that we could see them at WWDC and they will ship July-August, while others are saying that Apple won't announce them until around September or October time.
Another report has said that Apple also plans to update the Macbook Airs, adding a 15" and removing the 11" Air. Ming-Chi-Kuoe has also said that Apple plans to announce A new 13" Macbook. Like is said it is VERY confusing at the moment as to when Apple will announce AND WHAT they will announce.

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobil...-inch-macbook-air-for-a-15-inch-model-1322972

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobil...-macbook-pro-as-hinges-start-shipping-1322936

http://bgr.com/2016/06/09/2016-macbook-pro-release-date-august/

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/10/apple-preparing-changes-to-macbook-lineup-this-month

If Apple announces the Retina MBP in Sept/Oct. then they will only roll out Nov/Dec which will equal just about 2 years of no updates. If I knew this I would have bought a macbook last June, even few months you wait they tell you its going to happen in the next couple of months and so on.
 
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Wow, things just aren't the same anymore. These events use to be so exciting and you couldn't wait till it started. Apple has lost its spark and its very sad. If whats posted above is close to the truth I feel sorry for those attending. Boring and disappointed.
 
No but the technology for it has been used for a long time and the methods used to reach those speeds were long thought of before Tesla.
So if that gets actually built seems like that would be innovation.
 
One side says yes there will be Mac announcements at WWDC, while others say no.

Its one thing to predict what might be launched in the near future - quite another thing to predict exactly when. Apart from the small issue of when products are actually going to be ready, Apple need to make strategic decisions about when to launch them w.r.t. seasonal peaks like "back to school", which depends on detailed sales and inventory info that only Apple have.

I was a little surprised to read the report that said the Air will get a 15" new model and the MacBook will still be around.

"Air" and "Pro" are labels that Apple are free to stick on whatever models they like. They could drop the name "Air". They could stick it on a redesigned 13" rMBP, they could stick it on a new 14" rMB...
 
Its one thing to predict what might be launched in the near future - quite another thing to predict exactly when. Apart from the small issue of when products are actually going to be ready, Apple need to make strategic decisions about when to launch them w.r.t. seasonal peaks like "back to school", which depends on detailed sales and inventory info that only Apple have.



"Air" and "Pro" are labels that Apple are free to stick on whatever models they like. They could drop the name "Air". They could stick it on a redesigned 13" rMBP, they could stick it on a new 14" rMB...

Good points, they are free to do what they want really. I think the MacBook will replace the Air, however if they were to announce a 15" MacBook Air/MacBook I would consider it over the Pro.

One of the reasons I'm thinking they won't announce at WWDC is because they havent invited CNET's Dan Akerman, and apparently (according to CNET) he is their laptop/computer guy, who gets an invite to Mac events when new Mac's are announced. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see Mac's at WWDC I'm just not sure we will :(

What do you think?
 
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"Air" and "Pro" are labels that Apple are free to stick on whatever models they like. They could drop the name "Air". They could stick it on a redesigned 13" rMBP, they could stick it on a new 14" rMB...

Exactly. The term "Pro" in Apple-land doesn't mean what it did in the past - relative to it's other products. They've kind of cheapened the term.
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One of the reasons I'm thinking they won't announce at WWDC is because they have invited CNET's Dan Akerman, and apparently (according to CNET) he is their laptop/computer guy, who gets an invite to Mac events when new Mac's are announced. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see Mac's at WWDC I'm just not sure we will :(

What do you think?

If they HAVE invited Dan Akerman (where did that info come from anyway?) ... then that would imply they WILL release new hardware, woulnd't it?
 
Exactly. The term "Pro" in Apple-land doesn't mean what it did in the past - relative to it's other products. They've kind of cheapened the term.
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If they HAVE invited Dan Akerman (where did that info come from anyway?) ... then that would imply they WILL release new hardware, woulnd't it?

Sorry, I meant they haven't invited Dan Akerman! Spellcheck changed my wording :( I heard it from this weeks Apple Byte with Brain Tong. He also says so on his Twitter.

https://twitter.com/briantong/status/740430085237448704
 
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"Bring a book..." This looks sooooo boring. I haven't been so unwhelmed in years. No newly designed macs, no new interfaces that are a huge step forward, nothing. Last couple of years has been the lowest in money I've put towards apple since 2000. Just nothing interesting coming from them. I smell playing it safe.
 



Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference kicks off on Monday, June 13 with a keynote event at 10:00 a.m. Pacific Time, where Apple is expected to show off the latest versions of its iOS, OS X, tvOS, and watchOS operating systems and perhaps debut new features for services like Apple Pay and iCloud.

Ahead of the conference, we've compiled all of the rumors that we've heard about features that could potentially debut at the event to give MacRumors readers an idea of what to expect.

iOS 10

Apple's operating system for iPhones and iPads has gone largely without design changes since iOS 7, so it's reasonable to assume iOS 10 may feature some design tweaks to update the look of the OS. A dark mode is one possibility that's been circulating based on the look of Apple's WWDC app and site, but there's no evidence suggesting such a feature will be implemented.


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Article Link: What to Expect at WWDC 2016



WOOOWWW!!! You mean something actual NEW is coming??? For the past two and a half years all i saw was security update's (like in windows) and nearly a hundred bugfixes (like in windows).
 
I don't get why new hardware has to be such a crazy big deal for Apple. New hardware takes absolutely forever, and when it's finally released its still far behind the competition these days. Just look how long we had to wait for a high resolution MacBook Air. In 2012 I was hesitant to buying the MBA, as Windows computers were already using Full HD displays in their MBA competitors (Asus had one at the time). Already then, the MBA display was considered average, at best. It took 4 years for Apple to release a "Retina MBA", and when it finally arrived, it did so in the form of a crippled device without the features of the MBA we all loved (Core i-processors, proper USB-ports, MagSafe, FaceTime HD, SD-card slot).

This, while Dell has an XPS 13 with 4K, touchscreen, great performance, all in the shape and form of a 11" MBA.

With all the resources Apple have, why can they no longer be breathtaking? The reason I keep buying Apple is because I know what I get, I know that it works - but Apple products have gone from being absolutely top of the game, to being just all round well balanced products.

...And the same can be said about the iPhone as well!

I think it will be good for Apple to see their revenue decline. Apple would benefit from some strong competition.
 
I'll be surprised if they make new hardware announcements. I don't understand why anyone is expecting or demanding it either. WWDC has always been an event that's been focused towards software. …
I have no idea why people keep claiming that. Here's a little reminder of the hardware Apple has either introduced or updated at the WWDC just in the last couple of years:
  • 2009: MacBook Pro (all sizes), iPhone 3GS
  • 2010: iPhone 4
  • 2012: MacBook Air, Retina MacBook Pro
  • 2013: Mac Pro, MacBook Air, Time Capsule, AirPort Extreme
 
No macbooks? I have been waiting for an upgrade for the past 12 months and each few months they say they will get it out there in the next couple of months.

Everyone was waiting for new MBP in June. Maybe if everyone was as Rich as Tim Cook they can buy a new laptop each month, but for people like me who are still on their Unibody 2008 macbook they live between dying hardware and the lack of Apple's upgrades.

MR buyer's guide already shows that the MBP are 4 months late on the average update cycle.


If Apple announces the Retina MBP in Sept/Oct. then they will only roll out Nov/Dec which will equal just about 2 years of no updates. If I knew this I would have bought a macbook last June, even few months you wait they tell you its going to happen in the next couple of months and so on.

Apple never said they are bringing out new MacBooks in " the next few months ".
 
Thanks for for giving me permission (after the fact) to choose my next car.

Musk is the handsomest, smartest, most innovative, most honest, clearest thinking, most interesting, most empathetic, sexiest, luckiest, greenest, most democratic, most inspiring person in the world today. Perhaps of all time.

Obviously not a single one of those superlatives is is objectively true, let alone all of them strung together. Yet he is succeeding where few ever do. Obviously he has a mixture of qualities that allows this to be the case. If you are looking at just one of them, such as "innovative" and trying to either explain his success or dismiss it, you're missing the big picture.

Musk is the guy who managed, without being "innovative" to be the best-selling electric vehicle maker (and then to eclipse those sales with hundreds of thousands of preorders for his next EV). He managed without being "innovative" to send a rocket into space and then to land that rocket upright on a barge at sea. He seems on the verge of doubling the top speed of maglev trains with no "innovation" at all. I'm starting to think "innovation" isn't as important as you seem to think it is. Certainly it isn't the key to his success. But the success is real. Nibbling at the margins doesn't change that.
I just wish he'd speak faster.;)
 
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Hoping to be wowed, as always, but preparing to be disappointed. If it's all software, that'll be a huge let-down for everyone waiting for the hardware to be finally updated again (MBP, MP, ACD).

I also have a feeling we're going to be watching long stretches of demos of insignificant changes, like displaying how to handle emails in Mail.app with a new cool swipe gesture. Apart from Siri, what can they add to OS X? They always try to fill the yearly releases with something, but it's never of any real impact.

Oh, and of course the oh-so-funny jokes about Apple execs. Greg's hair, Eddy's shirt, etc. Once, fine. But they always keep going. I'm already rolling my eyes just thinking about it.
 
I expect something unique/big. The two other times I've gone to WWDC either there was a big announcement before or during. Steve Jobs returning and then essentially giving the keynote in 1997 (Apple acquired Next in late 1996, but it was a surprise how he pretty much dominated the event and foreshadowed taking a bigger role) and then switch to Intel in 2005.
 
I expect something unique/big. The two other times I've gone to WWDC either there was a big announcement before or during. Steve Jobs returning and then essentially giving the keynote in 1997 (Apple acquired Next in late 1996, but it was a surprise how he pretty much dominated the event and foreshadowed taking a bigger role) and then switch to Intel in 2005.

There won't be anything like that, it's software based, the only hardware would be MacBook Pro updates.
 
More than just removing the stock apps, how about allowing us to truly replace them?

IE, allow me to replace the stock Music app with Spotify, so that when I hit the "Play" button on my car, it doesn't assume I want the Music app to launch. When I tap a mailto link in Safari or Notes, don't open the stock Mail app, open whichever app I've designated as my official email app.

Same with Web browser and Maps. Maybe even let me change the Phone and Contacts apps (might be asking for too much there...)
 
I'm going to go off a whim and say
1) sales results
2) someone is going to say developer
3) Jony Ive's white room.
4) Tim will say 'It's absolutely amazing'
5) Phil will say 'It's fantastic'
6) Craig will have a selfie in the presentation
7) Tim will say "It will be available for developers later today" (see #2)

You forgot:

8) "People love their Apple Products" or
9) "We think you're going to love it"
 
hopefully it doesn't disappoint. just want some good features that make the experience even better. Be interested how spilt screen apps would be and if it's the same as it is on the ipad
 
I don't get why new hardware has to be such a crazy big deal for Apple. New hardware takes absolutely forever, and when it's finally released its still far behind the competition these days. Just look how long we had to wait for a high resolution MacBook Air. In 2012 I was hesitant to buying the MBA, as Windows computers were already using Full HD displays in their MBA competitors (Asus had one at the time). Already then, the MBA display was considered average, at best. It took 4 years for Apple to release a "Retina MBA", and when it finally arrived, it did so in the form of a crippled device without the features of the MBA we all loved (Core i-processors, proper USB-ports, MagSafe, FaceTime HD, SD-card slot).

This, while Dell has an XPS 13 with 4K, touchscreen, great performance, all in the shape and form of a 11" MBA.

With all the resources Apple have, why can they no longer be breathtaking? The reason I keep buying Apple is because I know what I get, I know that it works - but Apple products have gone from being absolutely top of the game, to being just all round well balanced products.

...And the same can be said about the iPhone as well!

I think it will be good for Apple to see their revenue decline. Apple would benefit from some strong competition.

+1. Well said.
 
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