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Lets see what 2017 brings, I have faith it will be a good year.



Hope we get less whiners/trolls/trolling posts next year!

Only if Apple does something good otherwise you will have to suck it up. They are crap right now...and I am no troll. I am an Apple guy for the past 30 years.
[doublepost=1483228514][/doublepost]Unless they return to making some great COMPUTERS I don't give a damn. Headphones!!!!! Emojis!!!!!!! Dongles!!!!! WTF!!!!!!
 
Having two closely sized iPad Pro models does seem redundant. But without the 9.7 model, the cost of entry into non-mini iPads may be too high (assuming Apple does kills the iPad Air2).

Just as they've kept the MacBook Air around as a low cost option, I can see them doing the same with the 9.7 iPad Pro...at least for another year.
I don't think Apple cares about maintaining a low cost of entry anymore, for anything.
 
You get all defemsive,
but the main issue they discuss is not only the wisdom, pro or con of neglecting the mac. But how apple has sent mixed signals between words ("we care very much about the mac") and actions.
The confusion and frustration with apple on this goes far beyond the walls of macrumors forums. And its created a legitimate PR problem.

Thats what they talk about - how apple has mismanaged this situation so badly and created all this ill-will.

So, youre long responses to everyones complaints here seem to ignore the fact that whether or not you want a different product from apple, theyve created a very negative vibe for themselves.
So I listened to the first part of the podcast.

Seems their arguments can be summed up in 3 key points.

1) People have come to depend on Macs (I have seen variations of this argument throughout this thread). Discontinuing them because you think they are not worth serving is rude and disrespectful to your loyal customers who have stuck with you through thick and thin all this while. Mac users deserve better, they should get better (treatment).

2) Strategic mistake to give up hard won Mac market share just like that. The Mac market may not be as huge as the iPhone market, but it's still very lucrative in its own right.

3) The Mac forms an integral part of the Apple ecosystem. Neglecting it undermines the stickiness and cohesiveness of that ecosystem.

By itself, these arguments make a lot of sense (and I thank you again for directing me to this podcast, despite my earlier reservations). I have no answer to them, except that they aren't compelling enough to convince Apple as a company not to do something.

In response, I refer you to another article.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2016/12/6/milking-the-iphone

The key points are as such.

1) To break into the wearables and car market, you need great services. Hence Apple's push into health, maps, music, siri and the iPhone. What if the price to be paid is that Apple has had to neglect the Mac? Maybe Apple feels that is an acceptable tradeoff?

I am not saying such a move won't suck. People have a right to be angry when they feel their needs are being neglected. I am just saying that it could all be worth it in the end.

2) People say that Apple has had nothing to show for 5 years. My response is - 5 years is too short of a time to come up with a brand new platform.

3) I don't think Apple needs a management reshuffle, contrary to what the people here think about Tim Cook and Jony Ive. There is clearly room for improvement, but their decisions have been fairly rational to date. Maybe that's why people are upset. Apple is acting too rationally.
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Does anyone else get the feeling that Apple only wants its customers to be users and not creators?

I have this feeling that Apple doesn't want people to be able to creatr/think for themselves so that people who could have potentially created something new (and maybe in direct competition with Apple) will not have had the opportunity to do so. Thus Apple being able to stay in control of the general population even more so.
To be fair, you don't need a Mac to be a creator, just as having a Mac won't necessarily make you a creator.

https://the-ipad-artist.com/dear-tim-cook-abc3fbffba1b#.x1ee4psjl

This is an article of a girl who illustrated her own book on an iPad Pro which she bought with her own money, and published it.

I think what Apple is doing here is streamlining the creation process and making it accessible to as many people as possible. The Apple Pencil is a clear example of what can be done when normal everyday folk have access to a very capable stylus and an art canvas which they can bring around with them everywhere they go.

How is this not democratising the content creation process?
 
You guys who keeps saying watch bands and dongles, YOU GUYS need to be careful! Tim cook might actually believe you! We are talking about a complete buffoon here!

What I would love (joking aside), is for a wireless standard to be implemented across the board on all there products.

That would make the Apple watch useable (if it can be charged while being on someone), make up for our lost and beloved magsafe2, and push the world away from the 3.5MM (courage isn't enough).

Lastly, Tim Cook leaving the company. I would celebrate so hard! I think that Captain Dongle head needs to go so he can push all the social issues he wants. All this fools has done is take Steve's product line to Asian, but Fan boys claim he is the best CEO of all time (even though their products are going down hill).
 
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To be fair, you don't need a Mac to be a creator, just as having a Mac won't necessarily make you a creator.

https://the-ipad-artist.com/dear-tim-cook-abc3fbffba1b#.x1ee4psjl

This is an article of a girl who illustrated her own book on an iPad Pro which she bought with her own money, and published it.

I think what Apple is doing here is streamlining the creation process and making it accessible to as many people as possible. The Apple Pencil is a clear example of what can be done when normal everyday folk have access to a very capable stylus and an art canvas which they can bring around with them everywhere they go.

How is this not democratising the content creation process?
and how do you CREATE iOS apps, with an iPad and Apple Pencil?

It's simple - you don't.


Your example here is great, it's what's becoming possible with an iPad. But the Mac and iPad are two entirely different tools. Why are you SOOOOO eager to see a tool that people have been using and dependent upon, be destroyed? It's mind boggling. the only explanation I can think of, is because that is what Apple is doing, And that no logical argument to the contrary will ever get you to change your mind.
 
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I recall reading something that talked about how Apple is trying to get people to move away from the expectation that every two years they will come out with something revolutionary. Rather, Tim Cook is trying to alter people's expectations and move them to be more iterative.

I think the dangerous thing for them is that people are getting progressively bored with them. I believe it will become increasingly harder for them to keep the general public excited about their newest item/iPhones. Their keynotes are just snoozers now. I used to love watching them, but now it's just the same thing every time, and everything usually has leaked before hand anyway.

This isn't just Apple's problem.

People are bored with consumer electronics from year after year of stunning advances. There has been a relentless push to upgrade from both manufacturers who want to move product and carriers who want the lock in. The fake status that comes with having the latest and greatest is even more specious when every device looks the same. And people, I think, are becoming more conservative and careful with spending, trying to make purchases last longer.

But ultimately, it may simply be that mobile phones have gone as far as their current form factors and intents will carry. If you have an iPhone 6 it frankly isn't materially different or functionally hindered relative to a 7. I have both (and a 6s). Same goes for recent Samsung generations.

I currently have no plans whatsoever to upgrade until my devices completely c**p the bed. I'd guess many people feel the same way. And that's the real challenge for Apple (and all consumer electronics manufacturers.)
 
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I really wish they would update the Mac Mini. I am looking for a new computer soon and would really like to ditch Windows 7 and get an Apple. But I would really like to get a computer with current tech and not 3 year old tech. Hopefully it will have the new Bluetooth 5 in it. I also hope they update the iPhone SE. A person can dream I guess.
 
When I think of "genius," I think of Einstein, Newton, Mozart, Da Vinci, etc. Steve Jobs does not fall in that category.
I don't think Genius should be defined in terms purely of academic (Einstein, Newton) or artistic (Mozart, Da Vinci) achievement, though I would agree that the men you named were all geniuses. Einstein, in his miracle year publications, was able to look at problems that had plagued physics since Newton in an entirely new way. He saw things no one else could see, and (often using very simple language to illustrate his ideas) revolutionized the way we look at the universe. But Einstein's genius was not simply a matter of IQ; if it were, there would be very many geniuses. Even if the other physicists, on the matter of pure intellect, were titans, they could not do what Einstein did.

I think all of the geniuses you name were not just smart; they were people who see things in their respective realms in a radically new way and then change how everyone else perceived reality.

But genius can exist in many areas, including business. Disney did things with the simple cartoon and the amusement part that no one had imagined, and his vision is now imitated throughout two industries. Ford did not invent the automobile, but he transformed how they were made, showed people what they could do, and created a worldwide industry. Jobs did the same thing with the personal computer and then the cell phone. True genius is the combination of intelligence and imagination. Very few entrepreneurs could do what these men did, just as very few physicists could do what Einstein did.

Think different. 
 
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When Steve Jobs used the 'trucks vs. cars' analogy, he shoudl have used golf carts vs cars.

iPads (golf carts) vs. macs (cars).
These days the analogy is probably better as Macs (golf carts) vs Windows PCs (cars). Macs have never been performance machines, but many of the latest models are so gutless that it is beyond a joke.
 
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But genius can exist in many areas, including business. Disney did things with the simple cartoon and the amusement part that no one had imagined, and his vision is now imitated throughout two industries. Ford did not invent the automobile, but he transformed how they were made, showed people what they could do, and created a worldwide industry. Jobs did the same thing with the personal computer and then the cell phone. True genius is the combination of intelligence and imagination. Very few entrepreneurs could do what these men did, just as very few physicists could do what Einstein did.

I don't think Jobs even belongs among these people that you named. He didn't invent anything. Woz has said that Jobs didn't do any of the original Apple software or engineering. Even Ive has said that Jobs took too much credit. Who knows who thought up these things and saw their potential? There are probably thousands of engineers at Apple who made these products work, which is the hard part. Jobs was a good salesman (remember the "reality distortion field") and in comparison to the people running Apple now, had good judgment of what makes a good product and how to make people desire it.
 
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Apple have 'partnered' with LG to make a monitor that looks nothing like an Apple product. If they can't be bothered with making a proper tower, can't they just 'partner' with any workstation maker and sell that as a professional machine? They could slap it in an 'Apple aluminium' case and call it job done. It need not be any more than an officially-supported hackintosh. Near-zero r&d. Professional users happy.
I think it's only a question of time before PC makers start to "accidentally" manufacture computers that just happen to be made with fully macOS compatible parts.
 
No OS X creative tablets. More disposable phones.
Flimsier and less powerful, less capable systems.
Higher expectations met with higher disappointment.
A billion people continue to buy whatever they sell regardless of what it is.
Sales are taken as proof positive that everything is going just perfectly.
Some tiny fraction of a percent of grumpy customers get on MR and complain, for the sheer pleasure of seeing their gripes in print.
USA gets nuked, apple survives due to radiation shielding in the mothership.
 
I did. The airpods are awesome, and I don't see myself using a normal pair of headphones ever again.

Yea but you're clearly in the iwatch/airpod/mabook-barely usable-keyboard Fan Camp.

To wit: You've made your position clear over and over. You love everything apple has done in the past two years and seem to think all that preceded it is for 'dinasaurs' who can't 'get with the times'.

We all have our points of view, and yours is clear: That whatever apple is doing 'right now' must be best.

Bottom line, for the many of us who vehemently disagree with people like you, only time will tell ...
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This.

I really do miss when they were called Apple Computer. Now we are left with another iPhone where people value design over anything. A design that will grow tiresome after a year or two when Apple rehashes it twice. We are left with iPad Pros which can't read a thumb drive or access a folder system to move files.

What I expect from Apple? More disappointments, complaints, and emptier pockets from users who are still slaves to the brand.



Agreed 100%
 
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These days the analogy is probably better as Macs (golf carts) vs Windows PCs (cars). Macs have never been performance machines, but many of the latest models are so gutless that it is beyond a joke.
Guess you're very late to Macs or you wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement.
Apple has only recently abandoned the high-end performance segment, by not refreshing the Mac Pro and under powering the Mac Mini. The quad-core MBPs are still very capable and comparable to the equivalent PC laptops except at an even higher price than previously.

I've been critical of Apple plenty of late, but blanket statements like yours are indicative of trolling and not based on fact.
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I think it's only a question of time before PC makers start to "accidentally" manufacture computers that just happen to be made with fully macOS compatible parts.
they already do. take a look at https://www.tonymacx86.com and see how easy it is to roll your own.
 
and how do you CREATE iOS apps, with an iPad and Apple Pencil?

It's simple - you don't.


Your example here is great, it's what's becoming possible with an iPad. But the Mac and iPad are two entirely different tools. Why are you SOOOOO eager to see a tool that people have been using and dependent upon, be destroyed? It's mind boggling. the only explanation I can think of, is because that is what Apple is doing, And that no logical argument to the contrary.

You've perfectly nailed one of the many problems with Abziagal's arguments (and the half dozen others like him). Why root for less flexibility? Fewer customer options? Less power? He tries to say it so Apple can focus better. The BIGGEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD needs to get down to 3 products lines so they can 'focus'?!?! ... umm ... yeaaaa, right :confused:

But trust me: Theres no getting through to people like that. He's happy with the limited options apple gives us nowadays, so to hell with anyone who still wants the tools apple was happy to give up until the last year or two.
 
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You've perfectly nailed one of the many problems with Abziagal's arguments (and the half dozen others like him). Why root for less flexibility? Fewer customer options? Less power? He tries to say it so Apple can focus better. The BIGGEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD needs to get down to 3 products lines so they can 'focus'?!?! ... umm ... yeaaaa, right :confused:

But trust me: Theres no getting through to people like that. He's happy with the limited options apple gives us nowadays, so to hell with anyone who still wants the tools apple was happy to give up until the last year or two.
I've given up debating those gushing tl;dr length praises of the new Apple. It sounds like a paid-for shill. I can certainly imagine Apple's secret social media army infiltrating every fan site from MR, to 9to5, to AppleInsider, etc. Some of the posters here seem to certainly have way too much time on their hands vs working on their iDevices.
 
I've given up debating those gushing tl;dr length praises of the new Apple. It sounds like a paid-for shill. I can certainly imagine Apple's secret social media army infiltrating every fan site from MR, to 9to5, to AppleInsider, etc. Some of the posters here seem to certainly have way too much time on their hands vs working on the iDevices.

Trust me, I've wondered the same thing. How can some of these guys so vehemently argue AGAINST users having choices and flexibility? It gets to the point where, like you have, I start to wonder if they have some kind of vested interest in Apple and what they're doing. (e.g. - do they have stock? are they employees? In a relationship with Tim Cook? etc.)

Apple's behavior in the past couple of years concerning the mac has been so incredibly customer-hostile (or to be somewhat more kind, 'passive-aggressive') that really no person who actually cares about the mac ... and uses it as a tool could really excuse what apple has done.

But the 6-10 cadre of posters who keep trying to defend apple on this count, against all logic ... make me start to wonder what their actual deal is.
 
MacRumors (not that many MAC rumors though) does say DON’T BUY ... ;-)

http://appleinsider.com/articles/16...onslaught-of-fake-news-and-failed-competitors

It's a good article that puts Apple's feats into perspective. But it does what it claims those other media companies are doing, distorting perception to make you come to another conclusion.

Personally, I look at success by answering the following questions:

1) Am I in the market to buy a product
2) Do I want the product
3) Did I buy the product
4) Do I want a competitors product.
5) Did I buy a competitor's product, or exit the market

Right now, I can honestly say for many products, I am in the market but am looking at competitors products as I'm not satisfied with Apple's efforts. I can say I'm quite impresses with Microsoft lately, and some of the efforts of Google such as google now.

In the end the PR masters will always put spin so the only way I can judge if I'm happy with Apple is look internally, and ignore the media and fashion wannabees. At the end of the day, I can say.. Tim dongle head Cook can go **** himself. He can take his dongles and get lost. I can't stand the nerve of someone who says, I have courage to switch to USB-C, but buy my dongles as none of my other products will use the standard.

Tim's products are boring, his presentations are super boring, and the article you posted only shows that Apple has amazing engineers. But that doesn't mean I want those products or consider them a success. If I didn't love OSX, i wouldn't care. But slowly I have seen the products I use to love slowly become fashion accessories, and suck.
 
Trust me, I've wondered the same thing. How can some of these guys so vehemently argue AGAINST users having choices and flexibility? It gets to the point where, like you have, I start to wonder if they have some kind of vested interest in Apple and what they're doing. (e.g. - do they have stock? are they employees? In a relationship with Tim Cook? etc.)

Apple's behavior in the past couple of years concerning the mac has been so incredibly customer-hostile (or to be somewhat more kind, 'passive-aggressive') that really no person who actually cares about the mac ... and uses it as a tool could really excuse what apple has done.

But the 6-10 cadre of posters who keep trying to defend apple on this count, against all logic ... make me start to wonder what their actual deal is.

Paid shills. Nothing more.

And I say that as someone who most likely has far more of a vested interest in Apple doing well than most - I bought 1000 shares of Apple in 1997 for ~$10 a share. So selfishly I hope it does well; pragmatically I know it has peaked and is on the decline. Time will tell if it can pull itself out of its descent.
 
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That's why my family got me to do it. 4 iMacs, a couple Mac minis, several pre retina MacBooks and MBPs. Throw in my technical savvy friends who own Macs, and that is 100% of all upgradeable macs I know of, having been upgraded.

I call 100% a pretty significant number. But you can continue claiming this doesn't exist in real life.

BTW - guess who is telling their family members to move on from Macs, unless they want to spend huge $$$ upfront, unlike the past 15+ years?
Yep same here. I've personally upgraded or helped upgrade 3 Mac minis, an iMac and about 6 MacBook Pros.
 
If we have an iPhone that mimics the GS7 or Note 7, that's fine with me because those phones were great minus no iOS and Qualcomm processors.
 



With the launch of the iPhone 7 and MacBook Pro, 2016 has been a mixed year for Apple. The iPhone 7 was released without a headphone jack, an unpopular choice that's now been somewhat ameliorated by the launch of the AirPods, and the MacBook Pro has been plagued by battery issues, graphics problems, and complaints about the high price of the device.


Apple also saw its first decline in iPhone sales in 2016, but 2017 could potentially turn things around for the company. We're expecting the biggest iPhone revision we've seen since the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus launched in 2014, plus we're also expecting major iPad changes, refreshed desktop Macs, and software improvements.

iPhone 8 - September 2017

Rumors about the 2017 iPhone started ramping up before the iPhone 7 was even released, so there's a lot of information out there, and at this point, quite a bit of it conflicts, so it's difficult to get a clear picture of what Apple is planning for the iPhone's 10th anniversary.

If you read all of the rumors and suss out some common themes, there are a few concrete details that hint at what likely to see in the next-generation iPhone. We're assuming it's going to be called the "iPhone 8" due to design changes that are more radical than we'd expect for an "iPhone 7s," but it's entirely possible Apple will go with another name.

It looks like there's going to be at least three iPhone models, and one of those will have an OLED display. It's sounding like we're going to get one premium OLED iPhone somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 inches, with either a flexible curved display that wraps around the edges like the Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge or an edge-to-edge display more in line with the current design of the iPhone 7.


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Article Link: What to Expect From Apple in 2017: iPhone 8, 10-Inch iPad Pro, Refreshed iMacs, and More

12hrs battery Macbook Pro under $1.600, Apple File system (APFS) on MacOs
 
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