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No one's interested anymore in buying your expensive and substandard products. The main reason you move to China is to lower the cost of your product, what is happening exactly is the opposite. It's all about making money not creating great products, thanks Tim!
 
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Genuine question: apart from OSX (which is a big deal for me), why do you use/need a Mac Pro? At this point, what benefits does it offer over a Windows box that would be half the cost?

Not trying to start anything. I have a Macbook Pro and love it for my "hard yards" work every day, but I am looking at a new desktop PC and there seems to be zero reason apart from OSX as to why Apple would even vaguely be in the mix, considering the price and inevitable lack of options. Most software is on both systems apart from . . . Logic and FCP? Are they the drawcards they once were?
 
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Waterproof AirPods that are not ridiculously long.. it could happen
I think AirPods are reasonably water proof as I’ve dropped mine in the sink and they are fine- I’ve seen YouTube videos of people putting them in a washing machine to see if they can cope and yes , They were fine
 
I think AirPods are reasonably water proof as I’ve dropped mine in the sink and they are fine- I’ve seen YouTube videos of people putting them in a washing machine to see if they can cope and yes , They were fine
I believe you! I still want smaller AirPods and think that I'd be more comfortable with them listing that the devices are waterproof. Other companies do it. Apple can too. The fact that they don't and the longish form factor are what's kept me from buying so far.
 
No one's interested anymore in buying your expensive and substandard products. The main reason you move to China is to lower the cost of your product, what it happening exactly is the opposite. It's all about making money not creating great products, thanks Tim!

Oh...No one...Except for the couple hundred million people who purchased Apple products this year. And the year before, and the year before... And...this coming year.
 
This right here, is what I'm waiting for. I need this now, LOL.
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Well one thing is certain; we can expect higher prices.

Apple need to get their heads out of their asses and snap back to reality. They should drop their prices back to a sane level, increase the quality control of their products, and especially bring the MacBook Pro back to its former glory. A smaller, compact, iPhone SE successor wouldn't hurt either, idiots.
Why? The price increase have worked beautifully.

They actually sold more iPhones at much higher prices in 2018 than 2017.
 
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Some companies offer devices with higher specs, more features (or more desirable features), etc, but we have infinity in our pockets with top-class design, engineering, and thoughtfulness, wrapped into a symbiotic relationship of closed-end software and hardware.
You mean apart from the open-source projects like:

Darwin (Kernal)
Web-kit (Browser)
CUPS (Printing)
Swift (Programming)
FoundationDB (NoSQL database)
Bonjour (Automatic discovery of devices)
ReasearchKit
CareKit
etc, etc....

In fact https://opensource.apple.com/ will show you hundreds, if not thousands, of open-source projests Apple uses. I don't know where you got the idea about "closed-end software" from.

Oh, I get it, you think Apple invented all that stuff or kept it to their selves; awh, how cute.....
 
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You mean apart from the open-source projects like:

Darwin (Kernal)
Web-kit (Browser)
CUPS (Printing)
Swift (Programming)
FoundationDB (NoSQL database)
Bonjour (Automatic discovery of devices)
ReasearchKit
CareKit
etc, etc....

In fact https://opensource.apple.com/ will show you hundreds, if not thousands, of open-source projests Apple uses. I don't know where you got the idea about "closed-end software" from.

Oh, I get it, you think Apple invented all that stuff; awh, how cute.....
It’s definitely cute how you read between the lines of an operating system in a dedicated environment of OS and hardware closed to other manufacturers outside of Apple’s devices, regardless of accuracy to your observed open-sourced development packages.
 
I expect nothing from Apple that makes sense with reasonable price. For me, 2018 proved this. They will continue to left Mac line-up in dust or with unimportant spec bumps and will force and hope people to pass iOS devices. As a result, I hope the stock price drops about %25 this year.
Although AirPower is an insignificant product for most, it made Apple a complete liar. We have heard lies directly from the officials.
 
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Intel is the bottleneck.
Well Apple should squeeze them tighter then.
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Neither my 2011 iMac nor MacBook Pro will run Mojave (but I can get by without Dark Mode) so I'm in the market for a new machine which I expect to last well beyond 2022.

Interestingly, both my kids used MacBooks through college (one to do a Computer Science degree). Both immediately switched to PCs upon graduation. The only reason I haven't switched away from macOS to Windows is that I develop iOS apps.
I have been Windows user since 1995 and became Mac user only some years ago but I would never go back
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I remember well the days

I remember well the days that twice a year we would get updates on the Mac line up. They were not that long ago. While the processor speeds are not changing as fast, Apple could easily update every year or at the worst case 18 months. While some situations are not their entire fault (intel) still the fact the Macis no longer what drive sales allow them to neglect it. It’s sad but true.
Don’t see this changing. I hope prices will get lower but not holding my breath. Until Apple stock take massive hits due slow sales they will continue their modus operandi.

For me the price is not #1 factor because I am buying the machine for 5 years and it is not such large investement if you divide it. Of course, I can't afford iMac Pro .

Still I think that 12-18 months specs refresh cycle would be very welcome for all Macs. For example, now when Vega 20 is out, why not put it into 5K iMacs?
 
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I see Apple going further down the line of minimal upgrades...
I mean 5 series of Apple watches since it came out?
2 pencils?
Really, that sucks as a way to try to get people to buy new hardware by trickling out incremental hardware updates.
I see it now in the instructions for products
For series 3 and above you can speak to your watch and get responses....
For you unlucky ones who have an older watch...
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One thing I don't understand is why Apple does not do Mac refreshes every year like they did this year twice with MBP.

the cynic in me would say there are those at the top of Apple that have too much control over too many areas and can thus only work on one or two things at a time.
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Make gimmicky Touch Bar optional. Or better, kill it off altogether. Thank you.
I love the idea of the touch bar, but think it adds too much to the price
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For those that are complaining about Apple prices... Well, there are plenty of manufacturers who offer loads of less expensive computers/phones/accessories/etc. Devices that many believe perform so much better.

With the above being the case for many here, why not reward those companies with your currency by purchasing their less costly superior products, and finally find tech happiness.

Sounds like a win-win to me.
The equation isn't that simple.
But in any case, lots of people already have with Apple sales numbers not increasing, they increase the prices instead.
 
Well said ! I am from Ukraine and we are poor nation where most of us can't even buy anything. I am a security guard for a bank in Lviv and my salary is less than American's. I have a 2011 MacBook pro and soon I will have a 2012.. you are right. We all need to live within the means to survive. Apple's fancy stuff just brainwashes us and we just want it. Do I really need 32GB MacBook pro ? No ! Do i need even a 2015 or 2016 MacBook Pro ? No ! I hardly use my MacBook pro and if I do its only when i am in coffee shop here in the city. 5000 dollars for a computer is STUPID and a sign of greed by corporations like Apple that try to rip people off. Come to Ukraine or even Eastern Europe and you will see how normal people here live. I still live like this also, though i make 35000 Hryven' a month which is equivalent to 300 dollars a month in USA money.
you got 2012 macbook.. so great.
 
Genuine question: apart from OSX (which is a big deal for me), why do you use/need a Mac Pro? At this point, what benefits does it offer over a Windows box that would be half the cost?

In the case of the Mac Pro I think it really does come down to Mac OS (along with FCP/Logic) and whatever Mac-specific software (and maybe hardware if, say, you’ve invested in Thunderbolt gear). But what’s wrong with that? Apple’s problem at the Pro end is that they’re trying to contrive some unique hardware selling point when all people really need is a generic, customisable PC workstation that can legitimately run MacOS.
 
In the case of the Mac Pro I think it really does come down to Mac OS (along with FCP/Logic) and whatever Mac-specific software (and maybe hardware if, say, you’ve invested in Thunderbolt gear). But what’s wrong with that? Apple’s problem at the Pro end is that they’re trying to contrive some unique hardware selling point when all people really need is a generic, customisable PC workstation that can legitimately run MacOS.
i need more port :( . While most laptop getting annoyance upon keyboard not just macboook pro. Ipad pro/mac pro the last long term roi.
 
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Intel is the bottleneck.

In support of your point...

Take a look at the late-2012 Mac mini with i7 processors' single-threaded and multi-threaded performance. Then look at the current machine... Really, the improvement in processor performance (2x multi-threaded over 6 years) doesn't warrant annual updates. Maybe semi-annually would be OK, but essentially the Intel Mac product-line is 'mature' and there aren't big improvements to be made. The biggest cost component of the Mac is the operating system, macOS, not the underlying hardware.

In terms of improvements, the current Mac mini's (to belabour the point) has a T2 chip that adds many of the same levels of protection provided by iDevices. This is a significant non-processor improvement to the system and justifies the current price point.
 
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