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What to expect from iMac 2012 - Discussion

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leman said:
15% performance improvements paired with 15% less energy usage are great improvements for a die shrink. What did you expect, doubling of CPU performance each year?
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Exactly. It might be a lil bit better on synthetic benchmark but I doubt most would be able to tell the difference in the real world. Well i7 3770 might be able to encode video 3 seconds faster than i7 2600. But who's counting, huh? 😀
 
iSayuSay said:
Exactly. It might be a lil bit better on synthetic benchmark but I doubt most would be able to tell the difference in the real world. Well i7 3770 might be able to encode video 3 seconds faster than i7 2600. But who's counting, huh? 😀
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Don't worry. Your 2011 model won't stop working when the 2012 models come out. You don't need to try to justify anything to yourself or to the forum.
 
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dkcwgr2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&model_id=alienware-m17x-r4

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware/640963-new-m17x-r4-m14x-r2-m18x-r2-coming-speculation-thread-99.html

"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloudfire
I assume you are talking about a watercooled notebook now right? I can understand that the development work and cost would be immense but Asetek have already made a working prototype. They already did most of the work I suggest you guys take a look at that and maybe implement it in the next M17x and M18x? I don`t know if the cost would attract enough customers to make a profit though. I reckon these things won`t be cheap.
But one last question: Is the "its coming" picture notebook related?
I think this thread of speculation isn't the one that leads you to enlightenment. I'll have to beg a pass.

"It's coming" was more about this announcement and events that are possible to occur after Intel has some big announcement or something Monday. Hence, Tuesday or after will probably have a heavier than usual news cycle.

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Originally Posted by wkuykend
I ordered a M14x R2 this morning and found this forum this afternoon (which btw is full of great information). As you can see, I'm new here so my ability to "read between the lines" may be limited. Did I pull the trigger on this purchase a few days to soon or could I be in for a nice surprise in a few days?
All I'm saying is I wouldn't cancel the order if I already placed it. What estimated ship date did they give you?

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Originally Posted by BlueW01f
The thing i dont get though Bill, are you suggesting that we should be buying before the announcement because they wont be shipping for another month anyway, by which point IB will be out, and *cough cough* something may happen. Or are you suggesting that we should just be calling up as soon as the announcements happened? Cos i think thats a given tbh 😛

Also, im assuming we havent yet worked it out, given the 'why is this thread still open, its all known now' *threads closed* *hastily reopened*.
Your reading comprehension and ability to infer are top notch. Slight correction- I'm not saying "order now." I'd consider that bad form, as I'm a guest here representing another company, and NBR is nice enough to let have me. What I'm saying is only that if you order one of the announced products before the Intel embargo, I wouldn't cancel. I don't think there's any value in just ordering now if you had not already planned to. You won't lose out on anything if you wait. I'll talk more about this Monday or Tuesday, but for now Dell needs to respect our business partner's wishes.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Mask
If it's a new notebook it definitely can't interfere with the current models so it's size must be something new, not 14inch, 17inch or 18inch.
I would be tempt to say it's the m11x replacement but Bill said we won't hear from it until few months from now...

Really puzzling indeed...
Overthinking.

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Originally Posted by katalin_2003
Exactly, Bill didn't refer to the picture when he said next week but rather to the Ivy Bridge chips.
Correct.

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Originally Posted by Cloudfire
And he commented "awesome" when I quoted his posts and posted the picture...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/8453933-post926.html

LOL my head hurts. Maybe I`m reading too much in to this
Correct and correct. LOL. You guys are awesome. We should have coffee some day.

(I'll just leave those other comments right where they are.)"


*** So it seems the 7970M is going to be available in May. Maybe the iMac will be as well 🙂 ***
 
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I plan on doing some gaming on the machine so the (hopeful) GPU bump is worth the little extra wait over the current 6970, to me. Plus, I just said I used my machine for 6 years. I like to get as much mileage as possible so a few extra weeks now should help even just a little. If I bought a new machine today and they were upgraded in 2 weeks, I really might drop dead for real.
 
Cygnus311 said:
😀

I plan on doing some gaming on the machine so the (hopeful) GPU bump is worth the little extra wait over the current 6970, to me. Plus, I just said I used my machine for 6 years. I like to get as much mileage as possible so a few extra weeks now should help even just a little. If I bought a new machine today and they were upgraded in 2 weeks, I really might drop dead for real.
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My source tells me there won't be a new iMac in two weeks.
 
NextGenApple said:
Agreed with everything above. It's crazy someone would consider losing money on a 2011 iMac just to have a 2012 model. If there are people out there like that plus on this forum then it's clear they need help. Don't care how much money one has using this philosophy will lead to financial ruin. For those upgrading from C2D it's understandable. It's not a cheap product to upgrade yearly. Some will say the offset is you don't lose much, me I like to see differences in performance. Each to their own really.
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Very true. One of the reasons that an iMac is better value than it looks at first sight is that it performs well for a good few years. My iMac is over 5 years old and still runs most software at a decent speed.

The only reason for a recent purchaser to upgrade would be if (and it is a big if) there are any feature changes. USB3 would be nice, but only majorly important if you really make use of it a lot. One of the reasons I have stuck with my white iMac is the reflective screen on the recent models. If they do something about that, I'm sure it will drive a lot of sales.
 
larryinca said:
And your source does?
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Well, you weren't addressing me in particular, but my brother-in-law is an Intel fab engineer. He has told me, and has been proven correct, all the projected timeframes for CPUs to reach the market this year. Even back in December he said SBEs were in fab in January and Ivies would be next, and to expect an SBE announcement in March-ish and a release soon after, then a month later the same for Ivies. And so it occurred. What he DOESN'T know, and what none of us know, is what Apple will do and when, because Apple doesn't comment on these things. So all I can do with my brother's excellent intel (har har) about CPU releases is speculate that Apple won't be inclined to leave money on the table for any longer than they need to for their own business/logistics purposes.

Last year Lion dropped in what, June? Early July? But they refreshed the iMacs in May anyway. I expect no different this time around but it won't shock and appall me if the iMac refresh is kept back until Mountain Lion. It would DISAPPOINT me... but it won't shock me.
 
mzjin said:
Uh, that's a terrible analogy. Faster CPU and GPU speeds are felt in all instances, from faster application performance, to more frames per second, to better looking graphics...

If there is a function you don't actually use, like gaming graphics, that would be a fair assumption, but the CPU is always in use, and anything from iPhoto to handbrake to web surfing will benefit.
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Might be a 'terrible' analogy to computer nerds that like to squeeze in as many acronyms and pointless information to each post but to the average user or creative it is a good analogy.

2% here 15% there...all these possible increments would undoubtedly Bevan improvement or advancement but when you are editing on FCP or Photoshop etc. it will make minimal difference.

So my analogy about a cars top speed being effectively redundant stands because the current iMac i7 will go much quicker than I need, so unless you need a minor improvement in speed I think anyone hanging out for a new one is either a mac fan boi who wants the latest, quite mad or just plain stupid!
 
theSeb said:
Don't worry. Your 2011 model won't stop working when the 2012 models come out. You don't need to try to justify anything to yourself or to the forum.
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Don't worry. I'm not justifying myself or my iMac here. Mine works just fine and I'm not being envy with 2012 iMac since 2013 or 2014 iMac will always be better and more of a worthy upgrade to me. And don't worry too, your precious 2012 iMac won't stop work when I upgrade mine in 2014 😛

I was simply stating that IB CPU performance is nothing to boast about compared to SB. It's a minor improvement if any, not that HUUUGGEE like you stated earlier. So people with SB iMac should stop worry about upgrading/left out. So yea, I don't get your mocking about me and my iMac here 😱 🙄

With that said, I still recommend people who ready to buy iMac now to wait rather than buy 2011 iMac. The end is near, and unless you can get it for cheap, wait for the new refreshed iMac.
 
New 2012 iMac Rumors ben real slow.

Yes sir rumors on the new 2012 iMac ben real slow lately. What are your thoughts will we see the new iMac in these couple of weeks early may? Along with the new Macbook pro? Shoot me your opinions.
 
AppleDApp said:
I had a core 2 duo macbook pro and sold it for the upcoming iMac. For the time being I'm using my dad's macbook pro. Having my own computer will be great.
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Exactly, making an Ivy Bridge update substantial for yourself.

kitsunestudios said:
That would be me. I'm actually still considering getting a clearance i7 27" Sandy Bridge when Ivy Bridge is released, and just waiting for the new specs and potential price drop on refurbs.

Ultimately, the graphics card and the SSD are going to be the real issues for me for this upgrade. Will the 21" models stop using 512GB Tier-2 graphics cards and old SATA-2 Toshibas? Or will I get more bang for the buck with a refurb 27" i7 SB's 6970m and an aftermarket Intel 520 stuffed in?
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I think you mean 512MB and probably will be 1GB in the base model. As far as SSD's, SATA III should definitely be in there, I would be surprised if not.
 
TheWalrus said:
So my analogy about a cars top speed being effectively redundant stands because the current iMac i7 will go much quicker than I need, so unless you need a minor improvement in speed I think anyone hanging out for a new one is either a mac fan boi who wants the latest, quite mad or just plain stupid!
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you must be pretty stupid. there is not one soul waiting for 2012 imacs because of the cpu, not one. you here are all talking about ivy bridge. who cares about ivy bridge?? do some research and see what the 2012 imac brings. there is one other very important component that will see 50% boost. who cares about cpu and its 10% power boost. to me, those who arent waiting are idiots.
 
If the GPU is whats holding up the iMacs release, Alienware has the new 7970m in their MX-17 laptop with a shipdate as 05/17/2012. Don't you think that is a pretty good estimate for us to expect a potential iMac Launch (within a week of that date)?

There have been several speculations about the ODD. My personal preference would be if they leave it as three options you have to pick when you build it:
1) Keep the ODD for those who thnk they can't get by without it.
2) Scrap the ODD and utitlize the space for better HDD options
.. now my favorite option
3) Scrap the ODD and make room for a better GPU option. Originally I wanted a desktop GPU but someone pointed out the noise issue. Instead of a desktop GPU, they could do TWO 7970m's in crossfire. Alienware offers this in their MX-18.

Any thoughts?
 
forty2j said:
Ooh.. we're going to get daily (perhaps hourly) updates on channel inventory starting next week, until the thing comes out...
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Awesome! I'm feeling an iMac refresh within 21 days starting Tuesday. & If I'm wrong, well have ivy announced, AMD chip announced,Apple financial call & hopefully WWDC invite , kinda gotta be before April is over. Ver exciting week ahead. & worst possible is that more iMac news will be coming out until that day.
 
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