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What to expect from iMac 2012 - Discussion
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Long time lurker here on the forum but first time poster. I am waiting for the refresh but maybe not for the same reason as most. I am probably in the market for a refurb i7 2011 model. I am simply waiting for the 2012 to evaluate the CPU and GPU advancements. From things I have read, it will not be revolutionary and a refurb i7 2011 may still have incredible bang for the buck at an even better price after the refresh. I am sure this will be heavily flamed but I thought I would add another perspective.
Also, just wanted to say how funny these forums and especially this post is. I love reading how every single poster knows exactly when this or that product will come out. "The refresh will happen in June... May 15...within a week...on Tuesday and on and on. It's a riot, keep it up. I love reading it.
Also, just wanted to say how funny these forums and especially this post is. I love reading how every single poster knows exactly when this or that product will come out. "The refresh will happen in June... May 15...within a week...on Tuesday and on and on. It's a riot, keep it up. I love reading it.
As I would agree with you that USB shouldn't be used as a boot, USB3 will use 1%-2% CPU compared to USB2 that uses 30%-40%.
I'll gloss over the second paragraph. No one's saying they KNOW when it's coming out... it's OPINIONS - which is what forums are about.Long time lurker here on the forum but first time poster. I am waiting for the refresh but maybe not for the same reason as most. I am probably in the market for a refurb i7 2011 model. I am simply waiting for the 2012 to evaluate the CPU and GPU advancements. From things I have read, it will not be revolutionary and a refurb i7 2011 may still have incredible bang for the buck at an even better price after the refresh. I am sure this will be heavily flamed but I thought I would add another perspective.
Also, just wanted to say how funny these forums and especially this post is. I love reading how every single poster knows exactly when this or that product will come out. "The refresh will happen in June... May 15...within a week...on Tuesday and on and on. It's a riot, keep it up. I love reading it.
As for the "it will not be revolutionary" part... That really depends what you mean. The processor itself certainly isn't revolutionary, but the (potential) GPU advancements could be pretty huge from the sounds of things.
Plus there's the introduction of USB3, the speeds of which are a LOT higher, and could be something of a revolution for people transferring large files between devices.
There's also the likelihood (according to rumours) of the antiglare glass, which would deal with one of the most common complaints about iMacs..
So yeah, I guess it really depends on what area you're looking for revolution in...
What would be really cool & worth waiting until June for , but unlikely perhaps is if the new imac took over the mac pro world by their being two BTO versions. 1 with AMD 7970m as normal and optical drive , but a more $$$ one that drops the drive for the newest NVIDIA Kepler or AMD Tahiti GPU.
In theory it may be plausible someday ,Tim Cook did say revolutionary products / Mac Pro has been un attended too, combine systems
But i dont see it this time , if apple kills Mac Pro they somehow need to have something with a real gpu. , in which a new form factor would come + the power would handle a retina display.
Ideal imac
i7 extreme
NVIDIA OR AMD desktop gpu
No optical drive
16GB RAM, 8standard
512GB ssd for current or lower price
Bluetooth 4
New wifi 802.11ac
Retina display
Backlit keyboard
Pivot and tilt screen 24"-26"
-- in any case, a more realistic thing is what kind of RAM will likely be used? Can we use current gen ram in the new ones if its different? To save $$ i have extra ram
In theory it may be plausible someday ,Tim Cook did say revolutionary products / Mac Pro has been un attended too, combine systems
But i dont see it this time , if apple kills Mac Pro they somehow need to have something with a real gpu. , in which a new form factor would come + the power would handle a retina display.
Ideal imac
i7 extreme
NVIDIA OR AMD desktop gpu
No optical drive
16GB RAM, 8standard
512GB ssd for current or lower price
Bluetooth 4
New wifi 802.11ac
Retina display
Backlit keyboard
Pivot and tilt screen 24"-26"
-- in any case, a more realistic thing is what kind of RAM will likely be used? Can we use current gen ram in the new ones if its different? To save $$ i have extra ram
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If thats your ideal imac, then go make it / build.
Cause apple will never introduce that, so ****ing stupid. Ye lets do extreme cpus with desktop graphics and retina display (600w) and make it 50 cm deep while we are at it, so its fugly.
Stop dreaming.
Cause apple will never introduce that, so ****ing stupid. Ye lets do extreme cpus with desktop graphics and retina display (600w) and make it 50 cm deep while we are at it, so its fugly.
Stop dreaming.
No duh Thats why i said it "would " be cool if Apple actually made such a product. I clearly know the likelyhood is below minimal.
No need for you to swear or call me stupid behind the anonymity of your computer...
As for building one, no i am not a noob who cries about Apple products and prices only to build a Hackintosh, let alone crappy PC.
No need for you to swear or call me stupid behind the anonymity of your computer...
As for building one, no i am not a noob who cries about Apple products and prices only to build a Hackintosh, let alone crappy PC.
haha sure hope so, each sunday monday and tuesday night i check the apple store website a few times/ overnight too if i wake up
In my opinion the new iMac cant get that much faster within one year. The screen would be to big for them to introduce retina display, and SSD is overpriced now so they aren't just gonna chuck it on the new iMac for the same prices or even close to similar. The ''ideal iMac'' would be going with the times and upgrading gradually and at the same time trying to keep the prices the same! Im yet to recieive my new iMac and im waiting to see what the glare is what people complain about? Is it that annoying? Or is it people being picky? Keiran!
I don't think the iMacs need to go Retina. Here's how to build them so that everyone benefits.
1. Get rid of the slot loading Superdrive. The external $79 drive that sells for Mac mini/MBA owners should work fine for installs/burns
The money saved on this should pay for 32/64GB of NAND storage for every iMac. Some consumers will complain but SSD for the iMac benefits EVERY user whereas integrated Superdrive only benefit the dwindling number of people that still regularly use discs.
2. Use integrated graphics on the lowest end iMacs. Enable new pricing
$999 for the iMac 21.5
$1499 for the iMac 27"
There's a large contingent of consumers that just don't need a dedicated GPU. The Intel HD4000 is going to be just fine for their needs.
I do think this is year where apple will kill the superdrive.
App store. Stopped shipping OS discs. I want them to get rid of it and make good use of that space for other things.
App store. Stopped shipping OS discs. I want them to get rid of it and make good use of that space for other things.
Good points. Especially your second one, I hadn't thought about the new integrated graphics with Ivy Bridge being used in a low end iMac.
I suspect they'll want to take two bites of the cherry by launching in mid-May and then have another blitz when the Back to school promo begins. Obviously more relevant to the macbook pro range but I can't see an update on the iMacs without one in the higher volume MBPs. My running hypothesis is mid to late May
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Just out of interest, why would you want backlit keyboard? Obviously it's useful in laptops but surely a desktop will be static and if you are working on a computer, you are unlikely to be doing it in total darkness. And if you do, you have the option of flicking the light switch on. I don't get it.
Unless I'm missing something... why can't you turn a light on when using a laptop mate?
Think a backlit iMac keyboard would be useful for all the same reasons that a backlit macbook one is tbh.
Unless I'm missing something... why can't you turn a light on when using a laptop mate?
Using a desk top is all about leaning forward. Using an iPad is doing 90% of what you do on a desk-top whilst reclining or even laying down (if you so wish). Laptops take you part of the way there. Hence, backlit (if you are indeed horizontal to the point of almost asleep) you don't want to bother getting up to switch on the lights. It's a cack handed way of explaining it but I know what I mean. Clear us mud?!
It would be for a similar reason as an anti-glare screen.. I use my Mac in total darkness, in part because gaming in total darkness is fun, and in part because the reflection off the screen is impossible to handle. I have an old backlit gaming keyboard, but its time is about at an end, and I do like the feel of the Apple keyboards, so I too am hoping they have a backlight solution for it.
This is actually very clever, and i agree completely.
Hell, for 1499 i would buy it for my next screen replacement. I really dont want a thunderbolt display since they dont have the same height as the iMac, which is just weird.
Fair point. Thanks for pointing out. Not an ounce of sarcasm in that at all. Everybody uses their machines in different ways. I just couldn't see why that's why I asked. Thanks for sharing
+1 to that.
Change the whole range so it follows like this.
Desktops
Mac Mini (Current specs, £499, Ivy bridge)
Mac Server (Mac Mini in taller body, £999, two ethernet, 1 PCIe, 2.5GHz i7 quad, Ivy bridge)
iMac (As above, £799)
iMac Pro (As above, £999)
Laptops
Macbook (Current Macbook Air, same specs and prices, Ivy bridge)
Macbook Pro (Current 15" Macbook Pro, same prices, no optical, Ivy bridge)
That seems okay to me...
Thoughts?
interesting, never thought to add the "pro" title to an iMac range, hmm. i see that as possible. however what needs to happen soon is the refresh!
I have a weird feeling they will refresh the Mac Pros tomorrow... if they do, I wonder if they'll do iMacs at the same time? Have they ever done this before?
I have been waiting for the new iMac since October
I have been waiting for the new iMac since October