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While the response from today's announcement that Mac OS 10.5 Leopard would be delayed until October continues to pour in, there are some aspects that can be gleaned from the announcement as well.

A delay until October was actually predicted in a Page 2 rumor by DigiTimes. While Apple has claimed more broadly that the delay was due to a shift in resources to the iPhone project, DigiTimes said that the delay would be due to Apple's plan to "have its new OS support Windows Vista through an integrated version of Boot Camp."

While Apple has long-claimed that Boot Camp will ship with Leopard, and the latest version of the Boot Camp public beta did incorporate Windows Vista support, DigiTimes was careful to refer to an "integrated version" of Boot Camp in their story. This specificity was noted by Arn in a blog posting on the matter, suggesting that "integrated" Boot Camp might be something closer to Parallels virtualization.

None of Leopard's "Top Secret" features have yet to leak from Apple. However, this integrated version of Boot Camp which has yet to be seen in previous developer builds may point to one such feature.

While DigiTimes' rumor accuracy has been poor in the past, this is the latest in a string of stories from them to be corroborated (LED-backlit notebooks, Apple Notebooks with NAND Caching).
 

Curtis72

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Lucky Guess?

I think Digitimes heard rumors of the delay and then speculated a reason for it.
They were half right as you said. But the integrated Boot Camp was one sh*tty speculative conclusion. A conclusion that most rational people won't believe.

I mean if that was even close to being true, then Apple should get out of the OS game and migrate all of their applications to Windows. Seriously. Bootcamp is a tool to sway Windows users to the Mac.

And while this delay truly sux, I can live with it. I prefer quality more than anthing else.
 

EricNau

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arn said:
An “integrated” version of Boot Camp would be something closer to Parallels for Mac OS X. More specifically, something closer to Parellels’ Coherence mode which allows Windows applications to run side-by-side with Mac applications under Mac OS X.
How do we know this?

To me, integrated doesn't necessarily mean it's any different than the Boot Camp we have now, with the only difference being that it comes bundled with the OS.

Although we can always hope for the best! :)
 

wakerider017

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Are you inferring that "integrated" means a virtual OS running inside of OS 10.5?

Or are you just saying that Boot Camp will ship with 10.5 and it will be similar to what be have now (Boot to a Windows OS)

I am not really sure what you are getting at. :confused:
 

arn

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It's simple guys... Digitimes said "October delay for Leopard because of integrated Boot Camp".

You can believe they got lucky with the "October" date when everyone thought they were crazy, or you can pause and realize they had some real information and therefore should be paid attention to

The sources pointed out that the launch delay is not due to software design problems with Leopard but instead is attributed to Apple's plan to have its new OS support Windows Vista through an integrated version of Boot Camp.

You can interpret it how you want, but my interpretation was posted here:

An “integrated” version of Boot Camp would be something closer to Parallels for Mac OS X. More specifically, something closer to Parellels’ Coherence mode which allows Windows applications to run side-by-side with Mac applications under Mac OS X.

I'm not saying it's necessarily true. I think Apple entering this sort of market would be wrong, but the Digitimes' report is worth noting.

arn
 

ErikGrim

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Tsk tsk. Didn't Apple already come out and publicly deny rumors that BootCamp would be like Parallels?

But then again "people don't want video on their iPods" and "Apple wants to keep the computer and TV separate" :p
 

diamond3

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Apple is like a pretty girl: Gets your hopes up, but will break your heart every time.

*sob*

Anyone got a hug?

That was funny. I like how they had to put a story out to try and make it sound like its not that bad of thing.
 

wmmk

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The Library.
I learned that some people whine a lot. I also learned that Tiger is a great OS that is still ahead of Vista.
 

randyharris

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What I learned is that I much prefered Apple's set expectation that Leopard would be released before summer.

I realize the iPhone is new, ground breaking in some regards, and possible another iPod for Apple.

But it would certainly be nice if Leopard weren't delayed.
 

Tadros

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Puft.

I believe the Windows thing, for the fact alone that, they said they were going to give "nearly complete" copies out to developers. That alone says, hey we are basically done but something is holding us back from actually releasing this thing. I also remember a few years back with the iPod, oh it's for music and we aren't planning on expanding it any further, and now it's a movie player and PHONE! Apple lies too much haha.
 

MasterJediDan

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C'mon Apple, just release Leopard

Blast it Apple, we just keep waiting...and waiting...and waiting for Leopard. First, Macworld. Then, about half a year later, WWDC '07. Now, October. Damn the iPhone, we want our OS. The iPhone has way too many strings attached for it to make them a huge amount of money. Just give us Leopard. Blast it, now that we have to wait until October they had better have the LED screens on the MacBook by then. And maybe faster processors too. I keep waiting for Leopard to buy my MacBook. For now I'm stuck with win-doze xp, so Leopard is essentially my lifesaver.
 

sportsfanMAW

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I sure as hell hope it wasn't delayed because of boot camp. Personally i dont use boot camp and i bet there are others like me. If they delayed it 4 months because of that then i'm losing faith in apple. Delaying there own OS for a program that runs a rivals OS? bleh
 

arn

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Tsk tsk. Didn't Apple already come out and publicly deny rumors that BootCamp would be like Parallels?

But then again "people don't want video on their iPods" and "Apple wants to keep the computer and TV separate" :p

and just 2 weeks ago:

https://www.macrumors.com/2007/03/24/leopard-still-on-schedule/

...an Apple representative "confirmed the reports are wrong and Leopard is still scheduled to ship in this spring as they previously announced."...

:)
 

jaw04005

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It will be interesting to watch the development of Parallels. I could see Apple acquiring Parallels (or a similar company) within the next few months, and incorporating their virtual machine technology directly into the operating system.
 

TheAnswer

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So we've learned Digitimes went up a notch in credibility...

...Thinksecret dropped down a couple more...

...and that we must boycott the iPhone so that Steve doesn't get the idea that diverting resources away from the OS is something that goes unpunished.
 

wakerider017

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So who is Macrumors and who is Arn.

I thought they were both creators of the site? Seems like they have somewhat conflicting views.

A little clarification would be nice. Thanks.
 

macklos

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I've learned that I now have until christmas until the applications I use within OS X to be supported by Leopard. Fine by me, Tiger works.
 
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